Lab Tests

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Hope everyone's holidays were restful and happy. I am getting ready to go

down to Dr. Franco's next week for a first appointment and I am excited. My

doctor felt I should have one last Great Smokies stool test to check for

parasites, yeast, and bacteria before I went. My results came back and are

interesting enough to share. First the good news. I still do not have

parasites! I've had about 4 tests this year and keep coming up clean. The

other good and interesting news for all APer's--after 3 1/2 months on the AP

protocol, my levels of Lactobacillus and Bifidus were normal and even high.

I have been supplamenting daily with acidophilus, but went off it for 3 days

before the test in order not to skew the test. So adding acidophilus works!

The bad news, or what is very weird, is that I had tons of bad bacteria that

I didn't show before the AP. There were about 4 or 5 different kinds of

abnormal bacteria that I didn't have before. I assumed it was from the

imbalance created by the minocin. I also had a 4+ case of a weird fungus,

even though I've been taking the olive leaf.

One last question. I'm still feeling very tired, and feel that I have no

reserve energy at all. My doc thinks it's from the minocin, not a herx.

Any comments?

Wish me luck down in Riverside,

[Guest guest]

Patton wrote that she is still feeling very tired, and her doctor

wonders if it is a side effect of the minocin. I have found that

antibiotics do not totally relieve the fatigue of my illness, Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome. I am taking a product called Imuplus. (Also the same as

something called Immunocal, which are undenatured whey products.) A lot of

the CFS specialists are finding that this stuff really boosts the immune

system and fights the mycoplasma very well. Have any of you tried it? I am

NOT selling it, just wondering if any of you have an opinion. It is sold

directly in WalMarts in the Northeast, but most of us buy in through

multilevel marketing or mail order. The Imuplus is cheaper. Also, you have

to watch out and not just buy any whey product. Apparently the few which

are labeled " undenatured " are processed differently and are more effective.

Also, I cannot take the whey products with additives that are sweet as the

extra sugar or carbohydrates cause me to develop yeast infections.

a Carnes

> From: " Patten " <leslie@...>

>

> Hi everyone,

> Hope everyone's holidays were restful and happy. I am getting ready to go

> down to Dr. Franco's next week for a first appointment and I am excited.

My

> doctor felt I should have one last Great Smokies stool test to check for

> parasites, yeast, and bacteria before I went. My results came back and

are

> interesting enough to share. First the good news. I still do not have

> parasites! I've had about 4 tests this year and keep coming up clean.

The

> other good and interesting news for all APer's--after 3 1/2 months on the

AP

> protocol, my levels of Lactobacillus and Bifidus were normal and even

high.

> I have been supplamenting daily with acidophilus, but went off it for 3

days

> before the test in order not to skew the test. So adding acidophilus

works!

>

> The bad news, or what is very weird, is that I had tons of bad bacteria

that

> I didn't show before the AP. There were about 4 or 5 different kinds of

> abnormal bacteria that I didn't have before. I assumed it was from the

> imbalance created by the minocin. I also had a 4+ case of a weird fungus,

> even though I've been taking the olive leaf.

>

> One last question. I'm still feeling very tired, and feel that I have no

> reserve energy at all. My doc thinks it's from the minocin, not a herx.

> Any comments?

>

> Wish me luck down in Riverside,

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 17:38:29 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

>

>Hi everyone,

>

>I got lab tests done on wednesday of last week. I called my endos office and

asked the receptionist if i could please have my results. she was really bitchy

adn told me she was too " busy " to get them!! I am pretty certain that this

would be a common procedure to medical receptionists. I really want to get them

before my endo apt on wednesday as to be able to prepare questions. I imagine

that this would be part of her job, and for her to brush me off is

unprofessional on her part.

>

>let me know what you guys think, and ill call her tomorrow.

I'd ask her to call me with the results when its more convenient, but

that you want the test results by some time certain, tomorrow

afternoon, or such. Or ask is there a better time in the day to call

back.

But if she doesn't come through complain to her and then the doc.

[Guest guest]

I've actually never got test results from a receptionist - most of

the ones i've encoutered will only take messages for stuff like that.

Mark

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everybody, I know a few of you guys know the answer to this.

> I want to have (my son with JRA) tested before we begin the AP.

>

> I asked his pediatrician to write out a lab request to have him tested for

mycoplasma, and he wrote,

> " Mycoplasma Urea Plasma -871 "

> is this correct?

There are several mycoplasma species specific to humans that your son needs

to be tested for, and these tests can only be performed at special labs.

See www.rheumatic.org under information for you and your doctor for labs

performing this service. These tests often turn out negative until a person

has been on the antibiotics for a time. Also important is testing for

strep. See details in the FAQ on www.rheumatic.org.

If there is a positive reading, a second antibiotic will need to be

prescribed. Again, the details are in the FAQ.

Ethel

[Guest guest]

Diane,

The following paragraph may be helpful:

" The very informative article http://www.haciendapub.com/article24.html

states, " Invasive bacterial infections are associated with several acute

and chronic illnesses, including: aerodigestive diseases such as asthma,

pneumonia, inflammatory bowel diseases; rheumatoid diseases, such as

rheumatoid arthritis (RA); immunosuppression diseases such as HIV-AIDS;

genitourinary infections and chronic fatigue illnesses such as chronic

fatigue syndrome (CFS), fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) and Gulf War illnesses

(GWI)... When we examined RA patients' blood leukocytes for the presence of

mycoplasmas, we found that approximately one-half were infected with

various species of mycoplasmas. The most common species found was M.

fermentans, followed by M. pneumoniae and M. hominis and finally M.

penetrans. Similar to what we found in CFS/FMS patients, there was a high

percentage of multiple mycoplasmal infections in RA patients when one of

the species was M. fermentans. "

You may wish to phone the labs directly for instruction on how to handle

specimens. Check out these two websites:

http://www.cfsresearch.org/mycoplasma/labs.htm

http://www.rheumatic.org/myco.htm

Sincerely, Harald

At 03:43 PM 10/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Everybody, I know a few of you guys know the answer to this.

>I want to have (my son with JRA) tested before we begin the AP.

>

>I asked his pediatrician to write out a lab request to have him tested for

>mycoplasma, and he wrote,

> " Mycoplasma Urea Plasma -871 "

>is this correct? Is there a better way for him to put it? Should there

>be specific instructions regarding the transport and/or testing of the

>specimen (e.g.. chilled not frozen, to be tested ASAP due to the

>mycoplasma dying quickly, methods to be used at the lab, etc.)?

>

>I am also wondering about what to tell the lab techs. I read the

>guidelines as far as doing it early in the day, etc. but I want to know

>what exactly his doc should have written on the lab request, so they know

>what to do with it.

>

>Also, is it both a blood and culture test?

>

>Thanks so much,

>Love, Diane

[Guest guest]

Diane,

You can get some rather detailed info by subscribing to this

other group, which I recently joined:

News & Reports email lists:

MycoplasmaRegistry-subscribe

CFS-Mycoplasma-subscribe

IF YOU TEST POSITIVE for mycoplasmas or other pathogens

please help us by filling out our confidential on-line

Mycoplasma Registry Registration & Medical Survey for patients:

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/micop.htm

> Hi Everybody, I know a few of you guys know the answer to this.

> I want to have (my son with JRA) tested before we begin

the AP.

>

> I asked his pediatrician to write out a lab request to have him

tested for mycoplasma, and he wrote,

> " Mycoplasma Urea Plasma -871 "

> is this correct? Is there a better way for him to put it? Should

there be specific instructions regarding the transport and/or

testing of the specimen (e.g.. chilled not frozen, to be tested

ASAP due to the mycoplasma dying quickly, methods to be used

at the lab, etc.)?

>

> I am also wondering about what to tell the lab techs. I read the

guidelines as far as doing it early in the day, etc. but I want to

know what exactly his doc should have written on the lab

request, so they know what to do with it.

>

> Also, is it both a blood and culture test?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Love, Diane

[Guest guest]

,

Sorry, the quoted reference enumerates the bad mycoplasma, it does not tell

how to eliminate them. According to the reference, the bad mycoplasma

include M. fermentans, followed by M. pneumoniae and M. hominis and finally

M. penetrans. I thought that this information might be helpful.

Interestingly, there are substances on the market designed to specifically

kill mycoplasma in laboratory cell cultures. See for example

http://www.invivogen.com/otherproducts/plasmocin.htm. However, these have

not been approved for use on animals or humans.

Regards, Harald

At 06:01 PM 10/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:

>Which is well and good. but after four years of AP ( with different

>antibioitics) I was still positive for myco ferms, so what

>next????????????????????????????

>

>At 01:47 AM 10/12/2004, you wrote:

>

>>Diane,

>>

>>The following paragraph may be helpful:

>>

>> " The very informative article http://www.haciendapub.com/article24.html

>>states, " Invasive bacterial infections are associated with several acute

>>and chronic illnesses, including: aerodigestive diseases such as asthma,

>>pneumonia, inflammatory bowel diseases; rheumatoid diseases, such as

>>rheumatoid arthritis (RA); immunosuppression diseases such as HIV-AIDS;

>>genitourinary infections and chronic fatigue illnesses such as chronic

>>fatigue syndrome (CFS), fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) and Gulf War illnesses

>>(GWI)... When we examined RA patients' blood leukocytes for the presence of

>>mycoplasmas, we found that approximately one-half were infected with

>>various species of mycoplasmas. The most common species found was M.

>>fermentans, followed by M. pneumoniae and M. hominis and finally M.

>>penetrans. Similar to what we found in CFS/FMS patients, there was a high

>>percentage of multiple mycoplasmal infections in RA patients when one of

>>the species was M. fermentans. "

>>

>>You may wish to phone the labs directly for instruction on how to handle

>>specimens. Check out these two websites:

>>http://www.cfsresearch.org/mycoplasma/labs.htm

>>http://www.rheumatic.org/myco.htm

>>

>>Sincerely, Harald

>>

>>

>>At 03:43 PM 10/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>> >Hi Everybody, I know a few of you guys know the answer to this.

>> >I want to have (my son with JRA) tested before we begin the AP.

>> >

>> >I asked his pediatrician to write out a lab request to have him tested for

>> >mycoplasma, and he wrote,

>> > " Mycoplasma Urea Plasma -871 "

>> >is this correct? Is there a better way for him to put it? Should there

>> >be specific instructions regarding the transport and/or testing of the

>> >specimen (e.g.. chilled not frozen, to be tested ASAP due to the

>> >mycoplasma dying quickly, methods to be used at the lab, etc.)?

>> >

>> >I am also wondering about what to tell the lab techs. I read the

>> >guidelines as far as doing it early in the day, etc. but I want to know

>> >what exactly his doc should have written on the lab request, so they know

>> >what to do with it.

>> >

>> >Also, is it both a blood and culture test?

>> >

>> >Thanks so much,

>> >Love, Diane

[Guest guest]

Pattie, here is one. It has lots of links to other sites, too. Sue

http://www.rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/Lab%20Tests.html

On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 04:31 PM, Pattie wrote:

>

> Does anyone have an online site to find out about lab test and what

> they're for?

[Guest guest]

Found this note on lab tests interesting. I could not get the pictures to

come up even on the original document though, and the pH values are scrambled.

The more I look at this wonder if I should even post it. Still some

helpful info including values found on a CBC. Perhaps it will be helpful as a

start to inquire further, or maybe someone better informed could elaborate.

Donna

If you are not sure if you have cancer, or want to monitor it's progress

then consider the following tests:

AMAS: This test measures all types of cancers. It stands for

Anti-malignancy antibodies in serum.

BRIGHTFIELD: A simple blood test not to be confused with darkfield or live

cell analysis, but probably done by the same practitioner. This test measures

the level of free radicals in the body. Cancer produces great quantities of

free radicals. To do this test yourself, get a box of lancets from a

pharmacy. Ask for the kind used for diabetic blood tests. You will also need

some clear rectangular microscope slides (not cover slips). You can get them

from any science supply catalog. Make sure there is no dust on the slide, and

if you tend to build up static electricity in your house, discharge yourself

before doing this test by touching something metal.

Now, your finger must be warm before you do this test, if you have cold

hands rub them together for a few minutes first. Then, on one of your

fingers, (I prefer the pinky finger or a toe) give a quick jab. The best

location

is off center. In the center it can really sting as there are a lot of nerve

endings, and too much to one side, and the finger nail can interfere with

the reading. Now, a drop will form, if not squeeze a drop of blood out. (It

is acceptable to squeeze the finger for this kind of test.) It should form a

ball. If is watery, then the person is is ill. Point the drop straight up

and let it dry for 20 seconds, then tap the microscope slide to the blood drop

five times on five different places on the slide. The slide must make

contact with the finger, not just the blood. Keep the slide flat until dry

(about

5 or 10 minutes).

A 20X magnification will suffice. Even a powerful magnifier glass can

work. Put a white background behind the slide and look at it. The more white

spots on the drop, and the larger those spots, the more serious the

condition.

In the first slide below, there are no spots, it is blood from a healthy

client. The second slide shows the blood from a person with allergies, lots

of white spots, but they are all small. Not a deep problem. The third

slide shows the blood of a smoker, the white spots are larger, this person is

in

the process of developing lung problems. The last slide shows very large

with spots that take up 50% of the field. This is stage 4 cancer.

Healthy Stressed Smoker's Cancer

The five drops taken represent five layers of the body, the first drop is

superficial, and the last drop is deep internal. A bad first drop with okay

drops 2 to 5 could be a cold. If the problem goes to the second or third

drop, the problem is serious. You may notice that spirulina and heavy cream

help improve these findings, as they are both powerful antioxidants.

click on photo to enlarge

There is a way to diagnosis what part of the body is affected by the

placement of the white spots. This map is a rough approximation. The most

difficult areas to diagnose are the Liver, Pancreas and Kidneys. You may find

a

dark circle in the center of the last few drops. This is a sign of a dirty

colon. You may also find that the black lines criss-crossing the blood drop

make dark raised X's in certain locations. This is a sign for parasites or an

irritated mucous membrane.

BIOLOGICAL TERRAIN ASSESSMENT: You can, with a modest investment, measure

the health of your body fluids. It has been proven that cancer only forms when

the body fluids reach a certain level of imbalance.

Saliva is measured to give us an understanding of the condition of the

lymphatic system since saliva is identical to lymphatic fluid. Urine is

measured to give us an understanding of the condition of the connective tissue,

since the connective tissue dumps it's toxins into the urine.

To do this test yourself, you will need ph paper (or a ph meter) and

conductivity meter (flat probe electrode is preferable, Hanna instruments makes

this type). Remember that conductivity is the inverse of resistivity. These

instruments will not allow for the testing of blood, or redox values.

Healthy values

Cancer Values

PH R Redox Ph R Redox

Blood 7.1 210 22 7.6 140 28

Urine 6.8 30 24 5.1 90 19

Saliva 6.5 140 22 7.2 230 29

BLOOD WORK Even standard bloodwork can give invaluable guidance if you

know how to interpret it. The most important values to know are Albumin and

Uric acid, (from a blood chemistry) and Hemoglobin. (From a CBC)

Albumin decreases as cancer progresses. A healthy albumin score is

4.8, average is 4.3. The lower the albumin, the more aggressive your therapy

needs to be, and the less time you have to effect a recovery. Once it gets

to the 3.5 range you must move very quickly.

Uric acid is typically around 3.5. A higher uric acid can mean a fungal

infection in the body. Another cause of high uric acid readings is tumor

cell destruction. When cancer cells die, uric acid levels rise. If your uric

acid levels are not going up, your therapy is not working. 15 is a good

reading indicating tumor necrosis.

Hemoglobin is the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Cancer often

causes lower hemoglobin readings. For men it should be 15, for women

13.5.

So, you want to raise albumin, the higher the better temporarily raise

uric acid, and stabilize hemoglobin.

ENZYME LOADING: When enzyme levels fall in the body three things may happen.

The subject may experience gas, belching, pyorrhea (pus from the gums), and

difficulty focusing the eyes (The small muscles of the eyes weaken when

protein levels fall even slightly). If any of these symptoms are present it may

be

a pre-indicator. Also, if the ingestion of high doses of enzymes on an empty

stomach causes nausea, Dr. believes that this is the body digesting a

tumor somewhere. The information on this page is not meant to replace medical

advice but it is hoped that it may help you somewhat in your search for

better health

[Guest guest]

Does anybody know what the DBL-STR DNA AB test is run for? I finally got a hold of my labs, pre-surgery and some things were WAY out of whack. Anything less than 5.0 on this test was not detected or normal, mine was at 40!

If anybody knows what this test is for, please chime in...

Thanks ladies!! Lynn