Re: Conversions

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August 4, 2009

You need to stop the natural thyroid. It is BOTU 80% t4 AND THE MORE t4

YOU TAKE THE WORSE rt3 GETS. We have not found SR T3 to work as well as

regular. It si weak. I think alot of it si lost to digestion due to the

slow release aspect. but it is certainyl better than NO T3. Many doctors

try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 ot natural thyroid, I ahve not

seen it work when RT3 is vrey high. You literally need to starve it out

by lowering T4 inthe body as low as oyu can get it. Mine last lasbs was

..26 I feel MUCH better wihtout it1

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August 4, 2009

Thanks but I am really confused- I thought sr t3 is the best treatment accoting

to the wilsons website

how else can I starve out rt3? What result did you get to 0.28? T4 ?

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> You need to stop the natural thyroid. It is BOTU 80% t4 AND THE MORE t4

> YOU TAKE THE WORSE rt3 GETS. We have not found SR T3 to work as well as

> regular. It si weak. I think alot of it si lost to digestion due to the

> slow release aspect. but it is certainyl better than NO T3. Many doctors

> try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 ot natural thyroid, I ahve not

> seen it work when RT3 is vrey high. You literally need to starve it out

> by lowering T4 inthe body as low as oyu can get it. Mine last lasbs was

> .26 I feel MUCH better wihtout it1

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August 4, 2009

I do NOT follow Wolson;s theories here. He has some parts of ti right in

that T3 onylo is the treatment, but he rms people up too fast wiht NO

consideration for adnrela or ferirtin status and the fast ramp up is NOT

needed and I consider dngerous. I also do nto think ramping back down is

healthy nor useful. SR T3 has been found ot nbe notoriously WEAK. Many

here have tried it and thne gone to regular T3 with spectacular results.

If regular T3 is done correctly, in 3-5 doses a day it works SO much

better than SR most the time.

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August 4, 2009

thanks for this- it sounds like slow release is at least worth a try to begin

with

I won't be able to see him again for a month.

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> I do NOT follow Wolson;s theories here. He has some parts of ti right in

> that T3 onylo is the treatment, but he rms people up too fast wiht NO

> consideration for adnrela or ferirtin status and the fast ramp up is NOT

> needed and I consider dngerous. I also do nto think ramping back down is

> healthy nor useful. SR T3 has been found ot nbe notoriously WEAK. Many

> here have tried it and thne gone to regular T3 with spectacular results.

> If regular T3 is done correctly, in 3-5 doses a day it works SO much

> better than SR most the time.

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August 4, 2009

" . Many doctors

try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 "

This does not make sense to me. Can you explain?

Finch Drake

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From: RT3_T3

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Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:25 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Re: Conversions

You need to stop the natural thyroid. It is

BOTU 80% t4 AND THE MORE t4

YOU TAKE THE WORSE rt3 GETS. We have not found SR T3 to work as well as

regular. It si weak. I think alot of it si lost to digestion due to the

slow release aspect. but it is certainyl better than NO T3. Many doctors

try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 ot natural thyroid, I ahve not

seen it work when RT3 is vrey high. You literally need to starve it out

by lowering T4 inthe body as low as oyu can get it. Mine last lasbs was

..26 I feel MUCH better wihtout it1

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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August 4, 2009

" Many doctors

try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 to natural thyroid, I have not

seen it work when RT3 is very high. "

I didn't include all of the quote for my question to make

sense. ;-)

Isn't taking T3 the correct protocol? (I know the natural

thyroid is not.) What do you consider very high rT3?

Finch Drake

cell

office

fax

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RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of

Finch Drake

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:44 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: RE: Re: Conversions

" .

Many doctors

try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 "

This

does not make sense to me. Can you explain?

Finch Drake

cell

office

fax

www.drakecustombuilders.com

http://drakecustombuilders.blogspot.com/

From: RT3_T3

[mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:25 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Re: Conversions

You need to stop the natural thyroid. It is BOTU 80% t4 AND THE MORE t4

YOU TAKE THE WORSE rt3 GETS. We have not found SR T3 to work as well as

regular. It si weak. I think alot of it si lost to digestion due to the

slow release aspect. but it is certainyl better than NO T3. Many doctors

try to correcthighRt3 by adding in T3 ot natural thyroid, I ahve not

seen it work when RT3 is vrey high. You literally need to starve it out

by lowering T4 inthe body as low as oyu can get it. Mine last lasbs was

..26 I feel MUCH better wihtout it1

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

August 4, 2009

Yes taking JUST T3 but not addingT3 to a natural thyrodi or adding it to

a T4 med. The purpose of takign ONLY T3 is ot reduce T4 as low as

possible and that is why it works to reduce the RT3.RT3 is only made

form T4.

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August 4, 2009

The first time I went to T3 only, I did sustained release T3 (25mcg pills) and

it worked okay for me, but I'm very sensitive to T3. In fact, I had to split

the caps in half for a while while my body got adjusted to it. Others find the

sustained release to be much less potent than cytomel. It's definitely going to

be better than the natural thyroid that you're currently taking. Give it a try

and if you still find yourself hypo after you've raised up to 75mcg or so, ask

your doc for something that's not sustained release.

For this second go-round on getting rid of the RT3, I'm taking the generic

cytomel in 5mcg pills. I'm finding it to be more effort, having to dose it more

often, but that also means that I have more control over when the thyroid hits

my system, so I'm able to raise more quickly and with fewer hyper side effects.

So it's going much smoother this time and, for me, it's a lot cheaper with my

insurance than the compounded SRT3.

I don't have the trembling/shakiness you talk about, but I definitely have the

muscle tension in my head, back, neck and shoulders big-time. I go to a lymph

massage therapist every week to have her work on these issues. I've never found

another massage therapist who could make this problem go away for more than a

few hours before it returned. What we think is happening is I have a lot of

yeast/fungus and mercury in my head and, as I work on killing out the yeast, it

drains out through my lymphatic system and the pathways get overloaded and

clogged. She works on clearing them and it helps. I'm also hoping that once I

get up to an optimal dose of T3 and clear my receptors, it'll help with this. I

don't know if the tension/tightness will then go away or not, but I sure hope

so. I also find that Tiger Balm helps a lot with this.

ka

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> My doctor is sending me a script for controlled-release t3 20mcg

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> How long does it take to flush RT3 out of the system? how long before I start

to feel ebtetr if this is the cause of my problems?

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> does anyone ele get a lot of muscle trembling/shakiness and muscle tension

aches in head/back/neck?

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August 4, 2009

Tim, please give the T3 a chance to work. It can take a while to completely

clear the receptors, but you should feel at least a little better once you get

off the NT and on the T3. Unfortunately, it can take 8-12 weeks for those

receptors to clear, but if you can get to a decent dose of T3, then you should

start to feel some changes happening. T3 is the " active " thyroid hormone and

the main one that does all the work, along with T2 and T1. T4 is the storage

hormone that is supposed to convert to those other T forms, but for us, converts

instead to RT3. The RT3 makes you tired because it's blocking the receptors and

keeping the active hormones from getting in and doing their jobs.

You can take the controlled release T3 with food. If you think about it, it's

being released throughout the day, so it HAS to be able to be taken with food.

Believe me, I get where you're at. I used to windsurf every chance I got and I

haven't been windsurfing for 3 years now due to my inner ears being a problem.

All my friends are still windsurfing and I just have to listen to them talking

about the great days they had out on the water. I just started working on the

thyroid and adrenals the beginning of this year and at least I now see some

improvements in my ability to do some normal daily functions. I'm still not up

for windsurfing because the inner ear thing is still a major problem for me, but

I've just got to keep working on it.

I'm really sorry you're feeling so down right now, we've all been there at one

time or another. You're not alone and this is a good place to vent that

frustration as we all know what it's like. Give things a chance to work. I'm

sure it took a while for you to get to this point and you've got to give these

protocols some time to take effect. We all wish there was a " magic pill " we

could take and put ourselves back to perfect health, but it just takes a while

to get everything sorted out. You'll get there.

Best wishes,

ka

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> I am really terrified- I cant live like this.

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> Why doesn't this pain ever go away?

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> I am basically suicidal.... I have lived with this pain for so long and

NOTHING has worked and we have no idea why my testoesterone is low or why my

bones are thin, or why i have severe gut issues including reflux.

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> the armour thyroid just makes me sleepy- why would T3 make any difference?

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> Can thyroid issues really cause nerve pain?

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> Can constrolled release t3 be taken with food?

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> I want to have neergy again... I want to be able to run in the monrings- I

want to run along the beach.

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> I have cried for hours today. I don't want to live like this

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August 4, 2009

Tim,

I will say that slow release caps for me are like water pills. I just don't

process them. My body just doesn't process the pills which makes sense because I

have gut malabsorption issues. Plus, after that experience I got REALLY hypo and

it took awhile to recover from that. You may want to try regular cytomel in 4

doses a day, sublingually.

-- In RT3_T3 , " oblique82 " wrote:

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> thanks for this- it sounds like slow release is at least worth a try to begin

with

>

> I won't be able to see him again for a month.

>

> >

> > I do NOT follow Wolson;s theories here. He has some parts of ti right in

> > that T3 onylo is the treatment, but he rms people up too fast wiht NO

> > consideration for adnrela or ferirtin status and the fast ramp up is NOT

> > needed and I consider dngerous. I also do nto think ramping back down is

> > healthy nor useful. SR T3 has been found ot nbe notoriously WEAK. Many

> > here have tried it and thne gone to regular T3 with spectacular results.

> > If regular T3 is done correctly, in 3-5 doses a day it works SO much

> > better than SR most the time.

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" oblique82 " oblique82@... oblique82 wrote:

>I am basically suicidal.... I have lived with this pain for so long and NOTHING

has worked and we have no idea why my testoesterone is low or why my bones are

thin, or why i have severe gut issues including reflux.

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>the armour thyroid just makes me sleepy- why would T3 make any difference?

Osteoporosis, cartilage degeneration, and gut issues are classic symptoms

of celiac disease/gluten intolerance. You should have an anti-gliadin

antibody test, and if that doesn't show positive, an Enterolab stool

test to make sure.

If that is not the problem, you should check other food allergies like

soy and dairy.

T4 or T3+T4 never worked right for me. T3 makes a HUGE difference,

because my body had been thrown into a deranged chemical state by

celiac disease. It took T3 to pull my thyroid system out of the dumps.

August 5, 2009

I filled my script- I actuallty have been given " Tertroxin " 20mcg- small tablets

that can be taken sublingually. I dont think they are slow release after all.

any other advice for a newbie?

August 5, 2009

thanks for this- I don't have celiac- but I am pleased to hear that nerve issues

can make a recovery with t3

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> >I am basically suicidal.... I have lived with this pain for so long and

NOTHING has worked and we have no idea why my testoesterone is low or why my

bones are thin, or why i have severe gut issues including reflux.

> >

> >the armour thyroid just makes me sleepy- why would T3 make any difference?

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> Osteoporosis, cartilage degeneration, and gut issues are classic symptoms

> of celiac disease/gluten intolerance. You should have an anti-gliadin

> antibody test, and if that doesn't show positive, an Enterolab stool

> test to make sure.

>

> If that is not the problem, you should check other food allergies like

> soy and dairy.

>

> T4 or T3+T4 never worked right for me. T3 makes a HUGE difference,

> because my body had been thrown into a deranged chemical state by

> celiac disease. It took T3 to pull my thyroid system out of the dumps.

>

August 5, 2009

I took my first tablet about an hour ago and I am sweating a lot- is that

normal?

August 6, 2009

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How long before i notice an effect?

I've had maybe 19 tablets today. It does nothing. Pulse is the same- muscle and

stomach pain uncganged

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> Then I would start with 1/2 tab twice a day an d in 3-4 days double ti

> and see how you are feeling.

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August 6, 2009

19 T3 tablets? It takes abou 12 weeks to clear out RT3 thta is too high.

No amount of taking more will clear it faster. What oyu are doign is

setting your body up to totally crash your adrenals.

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August 6, 2009

Val, how much of the ALA, Jarrow Formula Sustain supplement do you take daily?

I'm going to run out and get some today. Thanks,

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> Nerve damage responds to several thuings. Look up neuropathy on Google.

> I take ALA, Jarrow Formula called Sustain which si SR ALA with biotin.

> Also B12 can help as can Benfotaimine 450 mg spread through the day.

> All these help reverse neuropathy. BUT once it has gotten to a certain

> point it may not be reversible but you can;t klnow til you try to

> reverse it. Strght glycemic control is also needed as high glucose

> causes nerve dmage to continue.

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August 6, 2009

I take 2 tablets 300mg each

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Thanks,

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August 6, 2009

sorry i meant 10 not 19

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> 19 T3 tablets? It takes abou 12 weeks to clear out RT3 thta is too high.

> No amount of taking more will clear it faster. What oyu are doign is

> setting your body up to totally crash your adrenals.

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