Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Here you go Kirstie Breakfast: 2 eggs scrambled using water, with, 1/4 cup cheese, 1/2 a sliced mushroom and a small Lambchp (3.5 carb) Lunch: Platter, with 1/2 tiny (credit card size tiny!) porkchp 1 chicken satay stick, 3 leaves lettuce, 1 Tb h/m hummos, squid/calamari mix (about 1/4 cup,grilled) , (7 carbs) Dinner: 1 cup cold steamed Prawns, (shrimp) 1 cup mixed salad(Lettuce, alfalfa,tsp mung beans, tsp grated carrot, tsp mung beans) Home made seafood dressing (cream, 1/2 tsp home made tomato sauce, worstershire sauce) ( 9 carbs) Days carbs: 19.5 9 big cups water 2 cups herbal green tea | | How about sending us what you ate yesterday (EVERYTHING that passed through | your lips with amounts) and we can take a peek and see if there are any | known trouble areas. | | Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Yup - see yesterdays meals, that was lower than usual, it usually around 10 glasses. I wee *all* day!!! Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Purtee Shirley - are you drinking all your water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Yup - see yesterdays meals, that was lower than usual, it usually around 10 glasses. I wee *all* day!!! Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Purtee Shirley - are you drinking all your water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Your menu looks pretty good Shirley - can't see anything there that screams a problem. You might find it useful to use a tool like www.fitday.com and find what your regular baseline of carbs/calories are - it can be a useful tool for tweaking to know what your starting point was. How much weight do you have to lose and how were you eating right before starting Atkins? Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 I wish to lose 7 - 10 Kilograms. My eating has always been lowfat, and I have yoyo'd for years frustrated | | How much weight do you have to lose and how were you eating right before | starting Atkins? | | Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 7-10 kg = 15-22 pounds so you don't have a whole heck of a lot to lose. You can expect a slower weight loss than somebody with a lot to go. Yo-yo dieting can really screw up our metabolisms, I blame my turtledom for years of abusing my body - it seems like me body can spot an attempt to lose weight a mile away! You may really need to tweak Atkins to suit your needs. I strongly suggest you try using a tool like www.fitday.com or www.dietwatch.com so that you can get a real handle on what you are consuming each day. While the general rule on Atkins is that counting carbohydrates is all you have to be concerned with, often as people approach goal weight they find that calories become more and more important. You might find that as you have a relative small amount of weight to lose, that you need to look at both the number of carbs and the number of calories. You'll figure it out! Quite a few people get off to a slow start as they sort out just how they need to tweak the plan Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Hi again Kirstie - a couple of things: 7-10 kg = 15-22 pounds is my 'minimum' loss. 15 would take me to the healthy range for me height. I guess I should have specified, but any loss would be good! I guess, to some ppl, it seems like I don't have a whole heck of a lot to lose. But the yoyo-ing has meant that each 'yoyo gets higher when the weight climbs on. I am hoping that this woe will help the loss as well as prevent the yoyo from 'growing' any further. I know some ppl would love to have 15 Kilos to lose as some have more, and I know my loss is greater than some, smaller than some. You said: Yo-yo | dieting can really screw up our metabolisms, I blame my turtledom for years | of abusing my body - it seems like me body can spot an attempt to lose | weight a mile away!: Boy - do I know that one! Thats why I wish to do it for once and for all - now... before its any more out of control. | I just found 'fitday' from another post - thanks - I didnt like diet watch Thanks for your inspiration - I guess if I see 'something' it will help me keep going - I just didn't expect my jeans to become more snug, rather, less snug! Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 We'll get you to goal Shirley - don't fear! Just focus on your long-term goal of keeping the weight off which means a permanent lifestyle change. Tweak Atkins so that it works for your body and the weight WILL come off I think it was (one of our maintainers) who didn't lose for the first 2 weeks at all before her body kicked into gear - so there is hope! Kistie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Thanks Kriste - appreciate the support Best of 'choices' with yours, too! Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Hello Tina! Welcome to the list. I was going to upload an article I wrote a few years back regarding spanking. You could have used it as amunition when arguiing with family on the subject, but I never found it on my hard-drive. Sorry. I'll look again later. ;-) Kandie Kandie and (9 years) * 's website: <A HREF= " http://kidsactivities.homestead.com/spage.html " >spage</A> * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Hello Tina! Welcome to the list. I was going to upload an article I wrote a few years back regarding spanking. You could have used it as amunition when arguiing with family on the subject, but I never found it on my hard-drive. Sorry. I'll look again later. ;-) Kandie Kandie and (9 years) * 's website: <A HREF= " http://kidsactivities.homestead.com/spage.html " >spage</A> * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Welcome Tina!!! I'm glad to se you! I'm , a single mom of two in Florida. This is the best list in the world.... These ladies and gentleman have stuck with me thru a yearof homelessness, not having my kids, a major heart condition, surgery for the heart problem, and many many more disasters. Welcome aboard, and jump right in!!!! " To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best night and day to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle any human being can fight; and never stop fighting. " - E.E. Cummings , mom to , 4, AS, ADHD; and , 2, NT Introduction Hi everyone: I just joined this group and so far it looks like exactely what I need!! A good support group to put a smile on my face. ) My name is Tina, I'm a 24 year old single mom to my 2 1/2 year old son Mark. I live in Wisconsin. I just recentely got divorced and Mark was diagnosed about 6 months ago with Sensory Integration Dysfunction, Developmental Delays, and Speech/Language Delays. I also believe he is Autisic, because he shows all of the signs of it. I will be calling next week to set up an appointment to have him tested. Mark goes through OT and ST each once a week. It seems to be helping him a lot. He is a great kid and sometimes the only thing that keeps me going. (Way to much stress in my life right now) His father isn't in his life very much and when he is, it's to cause problems for me. He denies all of Mark's problems and refuses to work with him. My family has no understanding of Mark's problems and are not supporting at all. They critize me for my way of parenting. Their answer to everything is " when he acts that way spank him " They don't understand that I'm not going to spank him when I'm trying to teach him to stop hitting all the time. Learn from what you see right? Well that's a little about me, and I hope to get to know all of you better. Sorry if this sounds a little negative today, I'm having a really bad week. Tina, mom to Mark _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Welcome Tina! You'll love this group! Great stories, resources and ideas. Be sure to check out photos in the files section of the website. It helped me figure out who was who. I am Leggs (Kathy really) and I am the almost 49 year old adoptive mom of Brandt who is high functioning autistic (HFA) and six years old. We live in Kansas.If you think you're tired, try being the age of your mother with a child on the spectrum! :-) Course then there's Salli, she's almost as old as I am and has five kids! You will be hearing Putter and Brandt stories from Salli and I for some light-hearted adventures! Don't worry about advice from others who are often well-meaning, but clueless! Follow your heart and listen to advice here, too. Someone here has been there/done that before, I guarantee it! Welcome! Leggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Welcome Tina! You'll love this group! Great stories, resources and ideas. Be sure to check out photos in the files section of the website. It helped me figure out who was who. I am Leggs (Kathy really) and I am the almost 49 year old adoptive mom of Brandt who is high functioning autistic (HFA) and six years old. We live in Kansas.If you think you're tired, try being the age of your mother with a child on the spectrum! :-) Course then there's Salli, she's almost as old as I am and has five kids! You will be hearing Putter and Brandt stories from Salli and I for some light-hearted adventures! Don't worry about advice from others who are often well-meaning, but clueless! Follow your heart and listen to advice here, too. Someone here has been there/done that before, I guarantee it! Welcome! Leggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 > I just joined this group and so far it looks like exactely what I need!! A > good support group to put a smile on my face. ) There's enough wacko humour around here to keep us all going. ;-) Welcome! > > My name is Tina, I'm a 24 year old single mom to my 2 1/2 year old son Mark. > I live in Wisconsin. I just recentely got divorced and Mark was diagnosed > about 6 months ago with Sensory Integration Dysfunction, Developmental > Delays, and Speech/Language Delays. I also believe he is Autisic, because > he shows all of the signs of it. I will be calling next week to set up an > appointment to have him tested. Usually that whole grab bag ends up with an autism dx. MUCH easier when you have just one word to encompass all of that! > > Mark goes through OT and ST each once a week. It seems to be helping him a > lot. Early speech therapy made a huge difference in my son, I believe. Great that you're able to get it all lined up so soon! >He denies all of Mark's > problems and refuses to work with him. Even dads who are in the home seem to come to terms with this much more slowly. I don't know why it generally takes them so much longer than the moms, but I think it has to do with their mistaken belief that it can't happen to THEIR child. <sigh> There are a few dads on this list who seem to be exceptions to this rule. And good for them! (you know who you are) It took my dh about 2 years longer than it took me to fully accept the dx and all that came with. > > My family has no understanding of Mark's problems and are not supporting at > all. They critize me for my way of parenting. Their answer to everything is > " when he acts that way spank him " They don't understand that I'm not going > to spank him when I'm trying to teach him to stop hitting all the time. > Learn from what you see right? > Not only that, but spectrum kids have NO concept of cause and effect or consequences -- so if you WERE to take their advice, it would seem to Mark like you were suddenly just whacking him out of the blue! Either way, it just doesn't get the point across. > Well that's a little about me, and I hope to get to know all of you better. > Sorry if this sounds a little negative today, I'm having a really bad > week. You think THAT was negative? bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!! You'll love it here. :-) You need NEVER apologize for venting. This whole deal SUCKS, and at parenting_autism, we're not afraid to say so! Welcome again, Jacquie mom to , 5 1/2, HFA Parenting Autism moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Hi Tina, Welcome. Glad you found us...this group is great..wonderful friends and lots of support. I'm Mimi, married to , and sahm to Hannah, almost 8 (NT) and , almost 6, (PDD). We know all about those bad weeks..so vent away anythime you want! Mimi --- Tina Woelfel wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I just joined this group and so far it looks like > exactely what I need!! A > good support group to put a smile on my face. ) > > My name is Tina, I'm a 24 year old single mom to my > 2 1/2 year old son Mark. > I live in Wisconsin. I just recentely got divorced > and Mark was diagnosed > about 6 months ago with Sensory Integration > Dysfunction, Developmental > Delays, and Speech/Language Delays. I also believe > he is Autisic, because > he shows all of the signs of it. I will be calling > next week to set up an > appointment to have him tested. > > Mark goes through OT and ST each once a week. It > seems to be helping him a > lot. He is a great kid and sometimes the only thing > that keeps me going. > (Way to much stress in my life right now) His > father isn't in his life very > much and when he is, it's to cause problems for me. > He denies all of Mark's > problems and refuses to work with him. > > My family has no understanding of Mark's problems > and are not supporting at > all. They critize me for my way of parenting. Their > answer to everything is > " when he acts that way spank him " They don't > understand that I'm not going > to spank him when I'm trying to teach him to stop > hitting all the time. > Learn from what you see right? > > Well that's a little about me, and I hope to get to > know all of you better. > Sorry if this sounds a little negative today, I'm > having a really bad > week. > > Tina, mom to Mark > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Welcome, Tina! My name is . I am 39 (today, as a matter of fact!), married to Tony, and Mom to , 7 yrs who has high functioning Autism. I'm pretty new to the group myself. After reading your introduction, I had to respond - because I can relate, and so you will know you are not alone in this! (and by the way, YOU know your child better than anyone and it sounds to me like you're doing a FANTASTIC job!) When you said, " His father denies all of Mark's problems and refuses to work with him. " I thought, Oh, boy! Does this sound familiar! Although, my husband and I are still together, I came VERY close to walking out - or throwing him out - because he refused to accept my son, 's, diagnosis. For the first year all I heard was, " He is not WHAT you say he is! You just want him to be THAT way! " (I would think to myself, " Yeah, right. I just want him to be in a world of his own half of the time, afraid of anything new and different he sees or hears, and I really want to have to worry for the rest of MY life about what will happen to him when I am gone from this earth! " Yeah, that was JUST what I wanted!) After a recent conversation with Tony, I now know that he had difficulty accepting the diagnosis because he was afraid that he did not know how to be a Dad to an autistic son. I also know from my own feelings that the " loss " of that so-called " normal " child is heartbreaking, and it was no less difficult for Tony. It wasn't until Tony attended an IEP at school with me and heard 's teacher and Speech Therapist, that he started to accept it. And it wasn't until 4 months ago when had a seizure in his presence that he completely accepted it. And I have to say that, for the past four months, it is like Tony is a whole another Dad. He has patience with , doesn't yell or try to intimidate him to get him to mind, and the two of them have finally come to some sort of " understanding " . I'm not saying everything is perfect , neither I nor he are! However, things are a whole-lot better than they were. So, maybe in time Mark's Dad will learn to accept Mark as he is and also come to an " understanding " with him. When you said, " My family has no understanding of Mark's problems and are not supporting at all. They critize me for my way of parenting. " It also rang a familiar bell. Although my family has been VERY supportive over-all, one of my sisters (the oldest, of course)insists on giving me advise on how to handle based on HER experiences raising her three (now grown) " normal " boys. She has gone as far as telling me that when hits himself in the head, it's because he wants attention. (OK . . . that is why about half the time I've witnessed this he didn't even know I was in the room. Sure . . . that makes sense!) Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that you are in good company, and to hang in there! This group has been nothing BUT supportive and friendly to me, and we can relate and want to give you support, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 Hi Tina - Nice to meet you. Sounds like you're on the right parenting road to me! Sorry that your family and your ex are not supportive. Welcome to the group! Penny Mom to Jacqui, 7 - HFA Jeff, 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 No No NO.... Happy 39th RENEE!!!! (Sorry, havne't had coffee yet) :0D Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Tina! Happy 39th!!!! Penny :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Got it the first time . . . (% . . .Thanks! > No No NO.... > > Happy 39th RENEE!!!! > > (Sorry, havne't had coffee yet) > > :0D > Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > My name is Tina, I'm a 24 year old single mom to my 2 1/2 year old son Mark. > I live in Wisconsin. I just recentely got divorced Hi Tina! I am still trying to get around to finishing my divorce. I have five kids: Enrique, 15; , 13; Sophia, 8; Putter, 6; Robbie, 3. Enrique has Asperger Syndrome and Putter is moderately autistic. and Mark was diagnosed > about 6 months ago with Sensory Integration Dysfunction, Developmental > Delays, and Speech/Language Delays. I also believe he is Autisic, because > he shows all of the signs of it. I will be calling next week to set up an > appointment to have him tested. Well, those two labels together look like autism to ME! Of course, I have no official credentials, but I am the PA Online Diagnostician! > > Mark goes through OT and ST each once a week. It seems to be helping him a > lot. He is a great kid and sometimes the only thing that keeps me going. > (Way to much stress in my life right now) His father isn't in his life very > much and when he is, it's to cause problems for me. Oh, I know what you mean. My husband is jobless right now and he is perhaps too involved. A pity to have to say that. He denies all of Mark's > problems and refuses to work with him. Yeah, when Putter was two and three, Lou said there was nothing wrong with him. We had a three and a half year old with NO language, receptive or expressive, no eye contact unless you threw him up in the air and did really wild stuff with him. He played with his train set by color coordinating the trains, and also by kind of car, and, oh, many many other signs. No one has ever had any trouble determining that Putter has autism except for Lou! > > My family has no understanding of Mark's problems and are not supporting at > all. They critize me for my way of parenting. Their answer to everything is > " when he acts that way spank him " They don't understand that I'm not going > to spank him when I'm trying to teach him to stop hitting all the time. Spanking would be a total failure anyway. It almost makes you want to try it just to prove them wrong, but naturally you would not. Autism does look like bad behavior frequently and it is very frustrating to deal with. Your family may come around. > Learn from what you see right? Yup. And with autism it is usually not " Learn from what you hear! " Putter has significant auditory processing issues. > > Well that's a little about me, and I hope to get to know all of you better. > Sorry if this sounds a little negative today, I'm having a really bad > week. You are allowed to have a really bad week here on PA! Hope this week is better? Salli, who planted annuals on Saturday rather than catching up on emails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > Not only that, but spectrum kids have NO concept of cause and effect or > consequences -- so if you WERE to take their advice, it would seem to Mark > like you were suddenly just whacking him out of the blue! Either way, it > just doesn't get the point across. Yup. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Tina a wise woman named Penny sent this out last year and I have found for those family and friends who think they know give em this they might shut up and help. Dear Family and Friends: " was written for the purpose of it being sent to relatives and hosts of holiday gatherings who might need a crash course in what to expect from their guest with autism. Article reprinted by permission of editor/author, Viki Gayhardt.] I understand that we will be visiting each other for the holidays this year! Sometimes these visits can be very hard for me, but here is some information that might help our visit to be more successful. As you probably know, I am challenged by a hidden disability called autism or what some people refer to as a pervasive developmental disorder (PDD). Autism/PDD is a neurodevelopmental disorder which makes it hard for me to understand the environment around me. I have barriers in my brain that you can't see but which make it difficult for me to adapt to my surroundings. Sometimes I may seem rude and abrupt, but it is only because I have to try so hard to understand people and at the same time, make myself understood. people with autism have different abilities: some may not speak, some write beautiful poetry, others are whizzes in math (Albert Einstein was thought to be autistic), or have difficulty making friends. we are all different and need various degrees of support. Sometimes when I am touched unexpectedly, it might feel painful and make me want to run away. I get easily frustrated, too. Being with lots of other people is like standing next to a moving freight train and trying to decide how and when to jump aboard. I feel frightened and confused a lot of the time, like you would if you landed on an alien planet and didn't understand how the inhabitants communicated. This is why I need to have things the same as much as possible. Once I learn how things happen, I can get by ok. But if something, anything changes, then I have to relearn the situation all over again! It is very hard. When you try to talk to me, I often can't understand what you say because there is a lot of distraction around. I have to concentrate very hard to hear and understand one thing at a time. You might think I am ignoring you -- I am not. Rather, I am hearing everything and not knowing what is most important to respond to. Holidays are exceptionally hard because there are so many different people, places and things going on that are out of my ordinary realm. This may be fun and adventurous for most people, but for me, it's very hard work and can be extremely stressful. I often have to get away from all the commotion to calm down. It would be great if you had a private place set up to where I could retreat. If I cannot sit at the meal table, do not think I am misbehaved or that my parents have no control over me. Sitting in one place for even 5 minutes is often impossible for me. I feel so antsy and overwhelmed by all the smells, sounds, and people--I just have to get up and move about. Please don't hold up your meal for me--go on without me and my parent's will handle the situation the best way they know. Eating in general is hard for me. If you understand that autism is a sensory processing disorder, it's no wonder eating is a problem! Think of all the senses involved with eating: sight, smell, taste, touch AND all the complicated mechanics that are involved with chewing and swallowing that a lot of people with autism have trouble with. I am not being picky -- I literally cannot eat certain foods as my sensory system and/or oral motor coordination are impaired. Don't be disappointed If mommy hasn't dressed me in starch and bows. It's because she knows how much stiff and frilly clothes can drive me buggy! I have to feel comfortable in my clothes or I will just be miserable! Temple Grandin, a very smart adult with autism, has taught people that when she had to wear stiff petticoats as a child, she felt like her skin was being rubbed with sandpaper. I often feel the same way in dressy clothes. When I go to someone else's house, I may appear bossy and controlling. In a sense, I am being controlling because that is how I try to fit into the world around me (which is so hard to figure out!) Things have to be done in a way I am familiar with or else I might get confused and frustrated. It doesn't mean you have to change the way you are doing things -- just please be patient with me and understanding of how I have to cope...mom and dad have no control over how my autism makes me feel inside. People with autism often have little things that they do to help themselves feel more comfortable. The grown ups call it " Self regulation, " or " stimming'. I might rock, hum, flick my fingers in my face, flap my arms or any number of different things. I am not trying to be disruptive or weird. Again, I am doing what I have to do for my brain to adapt to your world. Sometimes I cannot stop myself from talking, singing, or partaking in an activity. The grown ups call this " perseverating " which is kinda like self regulation or stimming. I do this only because I have found something to occupy myself that makes me feel comfortable, and I don't want to come out of that comfortable place and join your hard-to-figure-out-world. Perseverative behaviors are good to a certain degree because they help me calm down. Please be respectful to my mom and dad if they let me " stim " for awhile as they know me best and what helps to calm me. Remember that my mom and dad have to watch me much more closely than the average child. This is for my own safety, preservation of your possessions, and to facilitate my integration with you tippies (what we autistics fondly call you neurotypical folk!) It hurts My parents' feelings to be criticized for being over protective or condemned for not watching me close enough. They are human and have been given an assignment intended for saints. My parents are good people and need your support. Holidays are filled with sights, Sounds, and smells. The average household is turned into a busy, frantic, festive place. Remember that this may be fun for you tippies but it's very hard work for me to conform. If I fall apart or act out in a way that you consider socially inappropriate, please remember that I don't possess the neurological system that is required to follow tippy rules. I am a unique person -- an interesting person. I will find my place at this celebration that is comfortable for us all as long as you'll try to view the world through my eyes! ===== TTFN Wife to Mom to Ben (aka Gozilla) 5yrs HFA/AS On call milk machine to Abby(aka ....stinkerbell) 21MTHS NT __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Ann, That pretty much sums it up. PLS is under the ALS umbrella. Any ALS research will surely help us. That's what every neurologist I have seen over the years have told me. I also go to an ALS Research Center and they have a few PLS patients also. What's really good is that I have a good rapport with them and they refer new PLS patients to me for information and support. Gentner Fremont, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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