Downright strange question

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In a message dated 1/25/04 10:51:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bookman00@... writes:

Here's the bit of oddness. When I dream of physical activity, both

the rate and intensity of the beats seem to increase. Anyone know

which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Do my dreams reflect my

physical state or vice versa?

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Bill i have waken up many nights having a nightmare and in aflutter or Afib

and i figured i kicked into Afib/flutter and then since i was in the dream

stage changed it to a fast paced nightmare....lol Bears and sharks...usually

a in Massachusetts Toprol XL 100 X 2 day NSR 7 days

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I'm in (at least) semi-permanent afib, but it's hardly constant.

Some days are better, some are worse. Sometimes it's hollow chest,

sometimes it pounds. Sometimes the rate is relatively (!) low

(~110),sometimes much higher. Nothing new there.

Here's the bit of oddness. When I dream of physical activity, both

the rate and intensity of the beats seem to increase. Anyone know

which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Do my dreams reflect my

physical state or vice versa?

Anyone else experienced this one?

Bill in Guelph On. amiodarone and bisoprolol

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In a message dated 1/25/2004 9:52:05 AM Central Standard Time,

bookman00@... writes:

Do my dreams reflect my

physical state or vice versa?

Anyone else experienced this one?

Bill in Guelph On. amiodarone and bisoprolol

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Bill, I have exactly the same problem. I asked my PCP who is an internist

with Psychiatrist training and he thinks the dreams reflect the manifestation of

the afib rather than the dream causing the afib.----------------but who knows?

Guy

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I'm in (at least) semi-permanent afib, but it's hardly constant.

Some days are better, some are worse. Sometimes it's hollow chest,

sometimes it pounds. Sometimes the rate is relatively (!) low

(~110),sometimes much higher. Nothing new there.

Here's the bit of oddness. When I dream of physical activity, both

the rate and intensity of the beats seem to increase. Anyone know

which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Do my dreams reflect my

physical state or vice versa?

Anyone else experienced this one?

Bill in Guelph On. amiodarone and bisoprolol

Hi Bill, Good question I have had the same thing on occasion where I

was sleeping and was dreaming something crazy or frightening and woke up

with AF.

Peggy

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In a message dated 1/25/2004 12:39:54 PM Central Standard Time,

shimps@... writes:

I've had no a-fib since, but every time I think about running (or any

physical activity) my heart rate increases and I get a sick feeling in my

stomach.

Could it be anxiety? I don't know, but it is making it very difficult for me

to get back to my pre a-fib state of fitness

Fred

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Fred

I think you need to hear some reassurance from your Dr that you are OK. Also,

maybe a very slow training schedule would help. Walk around the track once

for several days then increase the pace. Then add a slower lap at the end of the

brisk lap. etc etc. I think if you get your confidence back that you are

really OK things will get back to normal.

Good Luck

Guy

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Bill, I have the same experience.

My a-fib started on 9 Aug 2003. I am in the Army, and prior to that August day

I was running 25 miles a week. My episodes were comimg every 3 to 5 days and

lasting around 30 hours. My physical activity weent to zero. I had an

ablation on 11 Dec 2003. I've had no a-fib since, but every time I think about

running (or any physical activity) my heart rate increases and I get a sick

feeling in my stomach. Could it be anxiety? I don't know, but it is making it

very difficult for me to get back to my pre a-fib state of fitness

Fred

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> Here's the bit of oddness. When I dream of physical activity, both

> the rate and intensity of the beats seem to increase. Anyone know

> which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Do my dreams reflect my

> physical state or vice versa?

> Bill in Guelph On. amiodarone and bisoprolol

>

Hi Bill, I have a similar experience. My guess is that I go into AF and

then incorporate the AF into my dream. I often seem to be able to force

myself to wake up and discover I am indeed in AF. In the early days I

did have nightmares about AF and would often wake up abruptly but be in

NSR but thankfully this has not happened for many years and I'm guessing

it was either the medication or newness of the problem that is quite

different from what goes on now. I've put it down to a sort of backup

warning system - the body decides something is wrong and wakes me up so

I can pay attention to the problem. Some dreams are strange in that I

realise that this is what is happening while I'm still dreaming and can

often have much more influence of what is going on in the dream. I

guess it's only lasts a short time when I'm coming out of a dream and

waking up.

Without some external monitoring I don't think we'll ever know if

it's the chicken or egg:)

--

D (was on bisoprolol but now take metoprolol on demand)

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My guess would be that your body is reacting to the dream rather than the other

way around. I could of course be 180 degrees off, but does it really make a

difference. Either way, you've got afib to deal with.

Ed in VA where it's in the teens and we're expecting 6 - 12 inches of snow

followed by freezing rain. Yuck.

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I don't _think_ that anxiety plays any role in the dreams. Usually they're

rather pleasant. Exercise is a good thing. I actually have run six marathon

and many shorter (10K-half marathon) races. (Once upon a time, I could tell if

my conditioning was peaking when my pulse began to approach 40 bpm. 45-50 was

normal.) It wasn't the fib that stopped me; it was lousy knees. And the waking

tends to happen later in the sleep cycle -- 3 a.m. and onward -- than appears to

be the case in some of the descriptions that have shown up.

For the person who was concerned about ever getting back to the level of fitness

that he'd known before, I had pretty good luck following the advice in a Herman

cartoon. I had got back into NSR using amiodarone (and stayed there for about

18 months). The cartoon had the typical Herman character on the scales in the

doctor's office and the nurse said, " The doctor wants you to take a half hour

walk 15 minutes before lunch every day. " Part of the problem is anxiety, part

of the problem is trying to go too far too soon and part of the problem is the

shape that this bedamned condition lets (or forces) us to get into.

I suspect that whoever said that research is needed on the chicken and egg

problem is right.

Bill Manson, amiodarone and bisoprolol, Guelph ON

" Before you forgive Pete Rose for stealing the china, you should always count

the silverware. " -- Boswell

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> In a message dated 1/25/2004 12:39:54 PM Central Standard Time,

> shimps@y... writes:

> I've had no a-fib since, but every time I think about running (or

any

> physical activity) my heart rate increases and I get a sick feeling

in my stomach.

> Could it be anxiety? I don't know, but it is making it very

difficult for me

> to get back to my pre a-fib state of fitness

>

> Fred

> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> Fred

> I think you need to hear some reassurance from your Dr that you are

OK. Also,

> maybe a very slow training schedule would help. Walk around the

track once

> for several days then increase the pace. Then add a slower lap at

the end of the

> brisk lap. etc etc. I think if you get your confidence back that

you are

> really OK things will get back to normal.

> Good Luck

> Guy

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Excercise is good I attend curves for women 3 times weekly I have

noticed a huge difference on the way I feel but start off slow and

build your way up:)...good luck

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