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What does the (FOS) do negatively? I don't know what it is or what it does.

Yes, I know that dextrose is sugar and I've calculated the sugar to be just

about 1/3 of a teaspoon per serving. Doesn't sound like too terribly much

since she only gets it once a day. Besides, we were already putting the

enzymes in a chocolate mixture before we found the chewable enzymes. don't

think this little bit will hurt........do you? I'm not defending here, I am

truly asking. I have not really limited sugar too much in her diet thus far.

We are not on any diet at the moment. Thought I would start with the

enzymes then tweek diet as we go. We may indeed find she has a yeast problem

I think she may, and then we will make adjustments to sugar etc.

Please let me know about the FOS, I really am just starting this whole thing

and I do want to do my best to do it correctly and give my daughter every

chance at getting better. Thanks so much for your input!

Debbie W.

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Debbie,

Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a

fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That

" strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids.

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Hi Debbie,

FOS are prebiotics meant to feed the probiotics, however they will also

likely feed pathogenic strains too, particularly Klebsiella. I try to

stay away from it.

On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 07:09 AM, Debbie Waltman wrote:

> ,

>

> What does the (FOS) do negatively?  I don't know what it is or what it

> does.

>

>

> Yes, I know that dextrose is sugar and I've calculated the sugar to be

> just

> about 1/3 of a teaspoon per serving.  Doesn't sound like too terribly

> much

> since she only gets it once a day.  Besides, we were already putting

> the

> enzymes in a chocolate mixture before we found the chewable enzymes. 

> don't

> think this little bit will hurt........do you?  I'm not defending

> here, I am

> truly asking. I have not really limited sugar too much in her diet

> thus far.

> We are not on any diet at the moment.  Thought I would start with the

> enzymes then tweek diet as we go. We may indeed find she has a yeast

> problem

> I think she may, and then we will make adjustments to sugar etc.

>

> Please let me know about the FOS, I really am just starting this whole

> thing

> and I do want to do my best to do it correctly and give my daughter

> every

> chance at getting better.  Thanks so much for your input!

>

> Debbie W.

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> Debbie,

>

> Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a

> fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That

> " strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids.

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Thanks! I have no clue what Klebsiella is......but it don't sound good!

:) Anyway, I'm undecided at this pint. Seems to be ok with this one for

now, I think I'll just watch her to see how she does. I think it is all

trial and error and child by child when it comes to figuring this stuff out,

huh? Thanks so much for your time.

Debbie W.

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>

> Debbie,

>

> Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a

> fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That

> " strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids.

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FOS feeds yeast in the intestinal tract. Many autists have yeast overgrowth

issues. Elaine Gottschall advises against it in her book " Breaking the

Vicious Cycle " .

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From: Debbie Waltman [mailto:waltmanf@...]

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:10 AM

Subject: Re: Probiotics

,

What does the (FOS) do negatively? I don't know what it is or what it does.

Yes, I know that dextrose is sugar and I've calculated the sugar to be just

about 1/3 of a teaspoon per serving. Doesn't sound like too terribly much

since she only gets it once a day. Besides, we were already putting the

enzymes in a chocolate mixture before we found the chewable enzymes. don't

think this little bit will hurt........do you? I'm not defending here, I am

truly asking. I have not really limited sugar too much in her diet thus far.

We are not on any diet at the moment. Thought I would start with the

enzymes then tweek diet as we go. We may indeed find she has a yeast problem

I think she may, and then we will make adjustments to sugar etc.

Please let me know about the FOS, I really am just starting this whole thing

and I do want to do my best to do it correctly and give my daughter every

chance at getting better. Thanks so much for your input!

Debbie W.

-- Re: Probiotics

Debbie,

Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a

fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That

" strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids.

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We have had good results with Metagenics Ultra Flora.. Pro..

something or other. If you can't find it I'll run down and check in

the fridge. It's a very sweetish powder. I mix it in a syringe with

a teeny bit of juice, like 1/2 tsp. DS seems to like the taste.

> What other probiotics beside Culturelle do people recommend? Should

it be taken in

> addition to Culturelle or alternated?

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i use this brand as well as culturelle on my 2yr old every night.

(switch brands every other night)

~Kris

> I do not know much about probiotics, so I need some help here. My 2

> year old daughter is on Augmentin for an infection and I was

> wondering what kind of probiotics anyone recommends while she's

> taking this medication. My ped. told me to get Acidophillus (1 cap

> daily) or Lactobacillus (1 cap daily). My husband goes shopping and

> comes home with Jarro-Dophilus EPS which contains 8 different

> species of probiotics. Has anyone taken this? Is it safe to give a

2

> year old? Like I said, I do not have a clue about this, so any

> comments are welcome.

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I have tried the JarroDophilus EPS, it is alright. A more effective

probiotic I have used for the last 6 months is a product called

Three Lac Candida Defense made by Natures Turn. It was extrememly

effective for my severe candida problems, which occured after 3

years of continuous antibiotics. It is also quite expensive though.

The strains of bacteria that they use actually survive by eating

yeast species like candida, which is probably why your doctor

suggested using a probiotic. You cant get this product in healthfood

stores, you have to buy it online. I have a website that talks about

all this. The only way I can afford to use this product is to buy it

in bulk and then sell half of it that I dont use at the bulk prices.

Heres the site http://home.comcast.net/~aaronerez/index.html

Ofcourse there are many sources of Three Lac and if you type it into

google I'm sure youll get 500 hits.

Also another top quality probiotic is Kirkmans Probio Gold.

~aaron

> I do not know much about probiotics, so I need some help here. My

2

> year old daughter is on Augmentin for an infection and I was

> wondering what kind of probiotics anyone recommends while she's

> taking this medication. My ped. told me to get Acidophillus (1 cap

> daily) or Lactobacillus (1 cap daily). My husband goes shopping

and

> comes home with Jarro-Dophilus EPS which contains 8 different

> species of probiotics. Has anyone taken this? Is it safe to give a

2

> year old? Like I said, I do not have a clue about this, so any

> comments are welcome.

>

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> I do not know much about probiotics, so I need some help here. My

2

> year old daughter is on Augmentin for an infection and I was

> wondering what kind of probiotics anyone recommends while she's

> taking this medication. My ped. told me to get Acidophillus (1 cap

> daily) or Lactobacillus (1 cap daily). My husband goes shopping

and

> comes home with Jarro-Dophilus EPS which contains 8 different

> species of probiotics. Has anyone taken this? Is it safe to give a

2

> year old? Like I said, I do not have a clue about this, so any

> comments are welcome.

>

>

Hi ,

Lactobacillus Acidophillus is ONE type of probiotic.

So I am a little confused by the comment you made about

1 cap of Lacotbacillus and 1 of Acidophillus.

I think there should be some more to that. Oh! wait--

you said " or " . Okay. That makes sense now--- a lot of

times people refer to " lactobaccilus acidophillus " as

just " acidophillus " (it is shorter).

I am not familiar with Augmentin, but I assume that is

is an antibiotic. I assume this because of the comments

about probiotics being recommended. As you may know,

antibiotics can kill off some or most or all of the

" good " bacteria in the gut. These are called " probiotics " ,

and, as you noted, there are a number of strains or types.

I think it is okay (good) to give a mixture as you mentioned.

The things to look at on the label are the strains

(e.g. acidophillus, bifidus, etc) and the number of

organisms. Generally the capsules from " specialty "

companies like Kirkman's or Klair have a much larger

number of organisms per capsule (which is " good " ).

With the ones from the HFS you may need to give more

capsules to get enough.

I have also bought a liquid probiotic at the HFS-- it

is strawberry flavor.

There are also a number of probiotic foods, such as

SOME types of yogurt (the standard commercial brands

generally are NOT made with live cultures, unfortunately),

" real " sauerkraut (same comment-- most types are NOT

probiotic)....

good wishes,

Moria

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> How long should I give probiotics?

As long as you want to. As long as you continue to see benefits.

Some people give them as daily maintenance for years.

> or if there's a reason to cycle on & off them

Many people report better results if you alternate different

probiotics every week or so.

or if you

> eventually reach a point that you can stop them, and what that point

might

> be.

You can check every once in a while, try removing them and see if you

notice any regression.

Dana

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Hi Suzanne,

I would suggest that you call them back and talk to Randy, the formulator,

specifically. He is very knowledgeable and had lots of info on this last

time I spoke with him. It did sound to me like practitioners were finding

Theralac effective when broken out of the capsules, but may have needed to

use higher doses, like maybe twice as much, not sure. We love Theralac at

our house, have used it since March. I even take it if my own tummy gets

weird and it seems to help set things back in balance really fast.

Terri

At 09:22 PM 9/9/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Do you think that probiotics are as effective if you open the

>capsules and mix it into food. My son does not swallow capsules. I

>was intending on ordering theralc but being that it is on the

>expensive side, I was wondering if it would be useful if he is not

>swallowing the capsules so it is not truly working to the extent

>intended. I emailed the company and asked the question, but they did

>not really answer my question, they just told me that people do mix

>it into food, but never said if it was effective. Kind of like when

>you ask a person what is their field of work and they tell you where

>they work. :)

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This may sound like a lame response, but, I live in the Netherlands

and outside of the US, you can't call an 800 number, so I have even

sent them an email asking for a number to contact them on that is not

an 800 number, and I never got a response. I really would like to

order this product, but I can't get a proper response from them

neither for a number or the answer to my question.

> >Do you think that probiotics are as effective if you open the

> >capsules and mix it into food. My son does not swallow capsules.

I

> >was intending on ordering theralc but being that it is on the

> >expensive side, I was wondering if it would be useful if he is not

> >swallowing the capsules so it is not truly working to the extent

> >intended. I emailed the company and asked the question, but they

did

> >not really answer my question, they just told me that people do mix

> >it into food, but never said if it was effective. Kind of like

when

> >you ask a person what is their field of work and they tell you

where

> >they work. :)

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> >Suzanne

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Thanks, Tod. I will look for the Candex at the HFS....

SJ

On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 02:43 PM, Autism-

Mercury wrote:

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> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:46:16 -0000

> From: " Tod " <tod_s_2000@...>

> Subject: Re: clostridia and yeast

>

> My daughter had yeast problems that did not do well on prescription

> anitfungals either. She also could not tolerate GSE because of the

> phenols. Both herbal and presription antifungals hav the problem of

> only working on certain strains of yeast. So, sometimes you get lucky

> and sometimes you don't. I finally found a product that takes care of

> my daughter's yeast every time. It is an enzyme product that eats the

> cell wall of the yeast, so theoretically the strain wold not matter.

> It is called Candex, and my local health food store has it. I also use

> Culturelle. I give 2-morning and 2-night ofr 3 1/2 year daughter. Hope

> that helps.--Tod

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> Okay, can someone here explain to me about Probiotics?

Probiotics are the " good bacteria " that the gut needs. For many kids,

once yeast is under control, giving probiotics and limiting sugars and

starches will help the body keep the yeast away without requiring

active yeast killers.

Is this

> something that my kids would have to take everyday after being rid

> of the yeast or is it something that they can take for a montth and

> be okay?

Depends on the child.

>>Where can I buy it?

Local health food stores. Several online sources.

Dana

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My son does well on other probiotics but not these two, constipation with

Culturelle and 4 months of yellow squits with no growth of good bacteria with

the Pro bio.. However, all the 'side effects' you note could also be from die

off of bugs - how long did you try them?

I use BioKult - a UK version of Primal Defense - with 10 UK billions per cap

not US (loads less than UK) and CPI from Cutom Probiotics 25 -78 US billions

per cap. Colostrum has also helped keep yeast issues under control, along

with very low sugar and removal of toxic heavy metals.

biokult.com

customprobiotics.com

HTH

Mandi in UK

My son does not seem to be able to tolerate probiotics. I have tried both

culturelle and more recently Kirkman's Pro-Bio Gold. He seems to have major

problems with both (regression, excessive gas, lethargic).

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> My son does not seem to be able to tolerate probiotics. I have

tried both

> culturelle and more recently Kirkman's Pro-Bio Gold. He seems to

have major

> problems with both (regression, excessive gas, lethargic).

My son never tolerated any probiotics. He did " okay " with Culturelle

WHEN he had bacteria, but once the bacteria was gone, I had to remove

the Culturelle. Other probiotics caused problems, I don't even

remember how many I tried.

>>I was told that

> probiotics should be used in conjunction with the bacteria treatment to

> replace the bad with the good.

Yes, giving probiotics is usually a good thing, to replace bad with

good, but I was never able to use them.

Dana

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>>>> was given this probiotic for a 14 day course by her

naturopath. I thought you might like to add it to your list.

Sure and thanks. I haven't heard of it but it has a high activity

count of lots of the good basics.

.

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> Can anyone tell me when to give probiotics? Empty stomach or not,

Depends on the probiotics. I have read labels that say to give with

food, and other labels which say to give apart from food. If yours

indicate to give apart from food, it is best to give them right before

bedtime.

>>with cod liver oil(When should I give this to DD as well?)

I don't know that the timing of CLO matters in relationship to the

probiotics. However, I would give CLO in the morning.

Dana

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I have just started taking Natures Biotics. It is soil based organisms.

Nature's Biotics® contains over 70 nutrients, including naturally occurring

phytoplanktons, amino acids, a wide range of vitamins and minerals, an

important variety anti-oxidants and proteolytic enzymes, as well as an array

of nucleic acids.

Just beware, if your stomach is out of balance from lyme, as mine is, it

will bring on a herx. I am doing 1/2 doses and working my way up.

Suzy

[ ] Probiotics

What is a good protocol? I've been pretty lax about taking acidofolous

etc.despite being on abx for 1.5 years/

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Thanks Suzie can you get this at any drugstore? If not where?

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Hi

When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed where

person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of probiotics??

What does this mean?

It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or do

parent use different probiotics.

Recently I have introduced probiotic and I think it is really helping

but I want to know how much/little you can use per day

Best

Aileen

> > Can anyone tell me when to give probiotics? Empty stomach or not,

>

>

> Depends on the probiotics. I have read labels that say to give with

> food, and other labels which say to give apart from food. If yours

> indicate to give apart from food, it is best to give them right

before

> bedtime.

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> >>with cod liver oil(When should I give this to DD as well?)

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> I don't know that the timing of CLO matters in relationship to the

> probiotics. However, I would give CLO in the morning.

>

> Dana

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> Hi

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> When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed where

> person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of probiotics??

> What does this mean?

For many kids, 10-20 billion cells per day is considered " average " .

So increasing it would mean 40+ billion cells per day.

Some kids do okay with just 2 billion or so, so increasing would mean

10 billion.

> It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or do

> parent use different probiotics.

You can use more if it is required. Rotating different probiotics

also can help.

Dana

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I'm looking at Kirkman's Pro-bio Gold probiotic for my ADHD 4 year

old (40+ pounds). Is this a good one? We were using Nutrition Now

Rhino FOS & Acidphilus, but I'm liking Kirkman labs stuff...any

advice?

thanks!

jodey

> > Hi

> >

> > When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed

where

> > person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of

probiotics??

> > What does this mean?

>

>

> For many kids, 10-20 billion cells per day is considered " average " .

> So increasing it would mean 40+ billion cells per day.

>

> Some kids do okay with just 2 billion or so, so increasing would

mean

> 10 billion.

>

>

> > It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or

do

> > parent use different probiotics.

>

>

> You can use more if it is required. Rotating different probiotics

> also can help.

>

> Dana

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When I used a very 'aggressive' dose of Culturelle for my son with

clostridia, I gave 3 of the 20 billion cfus capsules per day - 60

billion total. And Culturelle is rather hardy. Dana's ranges are

generally the amounts I think of when people talk about doses of

probiotics.

Remember also, that many of the recommended doses on the bottle labels

are for typical healthy guts for maintenance...not a therapeutic dose

meant to fix a poor situation. So going higher may be helpful.

.

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Thanks for the replies

At the moment I am using Klaire Ther-biotic (25 billion+)per cap

and Customs L.Acidophilus (150 billion) (that is high already, can

you overdose with probiotics?

I am giving Klaire's once a day at the start of a meal-i read

somewhere that is the best time for this one and Custom's before bed.

Also using Candex first thing in morning which breaks down the yeast

wall.

I'm still not sure i understand when the yeast has gone or under

control even,

At the moment he is quite calm, BMs formed and brown but every now

and then he gets loud, stimmy and giggly- not a lot but is this a

sign yeast is still there or a sign of something else?

Over all there is a great change in his behaviour and this is the

first time I've managed to do this probiotic thing with consistancy.

The one drawback is that is is going down really late and can't seem

to get to sleep.

i am careful with the diet and no sugar - though he had a few

spoonfuls of his brother's ice-cream last Sun and he was high as a

kite at 4 in the morning. Is this a sign his gut is in a bad state or

are there other reasons why my little one reacts to sugar so badly.

Is there an enzyme to break down the effect of ordinary sugar?

We do feel the enzymes are helping with other foods.

Aileen

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed

> where

> > > person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of

> probiotics??

> > > What does this mean?

> >

> >

> > For many kids, 10-20 billion cells per day is

considered " average " .

> > So increasing it would mean 40+ billion cells per day.

> >

> > Some kids do okay with just 2 billion or so, so increasing would

> mean

> > 10 billion.

> >

> >

> > > It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more?

or

> do

> > > parent use different probiotics.

> >

> >

> > You can use more if it is required. Rotating different probiotics

> > also can help.

> >

> > Dana

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