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sorry Val,

Also, will the HC help with the water retention, and in have noticed i have

been a little more edgy since i started taking the Armour. I dont want to

question Dr P because he is the oracle but the feeling was so obvious. How

long does Armour stay in your system.

Thank you

Lynn x

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>>Dr P started me on Armour last wednesday, just 1/2 grain per day, split. But

i took 1/2 grain all at once (brain fog) and my up mood shifted downa notch or

two, and i was suffering the complusove thoughts again and generally feeling

downish.<<

Sounds liek the Armour caused adrenal stress whihc then stops ANY thyroid

from getting in the cells. When this happens the temps drop and more severe low

T3 symptoms start. I would drop that dose to 15MG and possibly take it twice a

day if you have not this severe reaction to the `15MG dose.

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The best way to tell if oyu are ready to start thyroid is to graph your

temps per www.drrind.com

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Hc will not directly help wiht fluid retention, what DOES help is it

gets the thyroid into the cells. LOW thyroid is what causes the fluid

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val,

i keep reading about acth - what is is it and is that why i feel so anxious

now.

Thank you

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20mg morn, 5mg @ 12, 2.5mg @ 4 and 2.5mg eve.

OK by taking 20MG in the morning oyu are shutting oyur ACTH down for the day.

You need ot do a fresh start in the AM. Same amount of cortiosl but WAY

differnt dosing. Try this tomorrow AM

10 - 10 - 5 - 5

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ACTH is what the pituitary produces that tells oyur adrenals when ot

make cortisol. It is also what beats the adrenals to death when they

can;t make cortiosl. The goals of taking HC is to lOWER it so it is not

pummelling the adrnelas constantly but not to shut it off whihc can be a

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Right Val, so it that why i felt so anxious today then.

I also feel like ive got more water retention...would that be due to the small

Amount of armour i have taken.

Thanks Lynn x

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ACTH is what the pituitary produces that tells oyur adrenals when ot

make cortisol. It is also what beats the adrenals to death when they

can;t make cortiosl. The goals of taking HC is to lOWER it so it is not

pummelling the adrnelas constantly but not to shut it off whihc can be a

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Fluid retention when first starting thyroid is due to lowering of your

own thyroid. Until you are able to take enough thyroid to make more than

your own thyroid is makign it simply lowers your TSH a bit which themn

makes you slightly more hypo. Also the HC is using more thyroid so you

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Hi Val,

I have just checked and i dont have any Nutri Thyroid left, well i have two

tablets, i usually take 6 - wot should i do - should i take and 1/8 ofArmour -

what do you suggest.

Lynn x

T wrote:

Fluid retention when first starting thyroid is due to lowering of your

own thyroid. Until you are able to take enough thyroid to make more than

your own thyroid is makign it simply lowers your TSH a bit which themn

makes you slightly more hypo. Also the HC is using more thyroid so you

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As oyu are having the problems you are having already why not let the

thyroid selttle out odf oyur system a bit before starting Armour? It has

been ,any years since I took Nuto Thyroid but I also had horrid fluid

retention problem then and i ma weondering if it had something to do

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thanks Val, how long shall i leave it? Was it Nutri Tyhroid glandular you took?

Lynn x

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As oyu are having the problems you are having already why not let the

thyroid selttle out odf oyur system a bit before starting Armour? It has

been ,any years since I took Nuto Thyroid but I also had horrid fluid

retention problem then and i ma weondering if it had something to do

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Yes it was the Nutri Meds thyroid glandular btu I was so hypo then, that

was about 12-13 years ago when I also had COngestive Heart Failure form

hypo! So I do not know itf it was a contributing factor or not in the

fluid. But I also knwo it had very little thyroid value to me as I felt

nothign from it.

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how long should i leave it b4 starting Armour - when my meds are steady

eventhough they may be low -

Thanks Lynn x

wrote:

Yes it was the Nutri Meds thyroid glandular btu I was so hypo then, that

was about 12-13 years ago when I also had COngestive Heart Failure form

hypo! So I do not know itf it was a contributing factor or not in the

fluid. But I also knwo it had very little thyroid value to me as I felt

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AGHH! I still get so confused! You'd think I'd have it down after

reading forums and books for so many years, but sadly, I don't.

How much HC in the morning will turn off the ACTH for the day?

If you don't have secondary AI and your pituitary is still

functioning, does it ask for more cortisol when you're under stress,

even if you're on a pretty high dose of HC, say 40 mg, for example. I

don't understand this part. I understand 35-40 mg is enough to stop

ACTH production on a normal, unstressed day for most people, but if

suddenly you get some stress, doesn't the body sense you don't have

enough cortisol all of a sudden and send out ACTH? Is it that the

adrenal just can't respond to the request if you have been taking

that much HC for a while? Or does the ACTH also stop asking?

I'm so confused. I've tried researching this, but medical sites don't

seem to get into it very well at all.

THANKS!!

Kathleen

>

> ACTH is what the pituitary produces that tells oyur adrenals when

ot

> make cortisol. It is also what beats the adrenals to death when

they

> can;t make cortiosl. The goals of taking HC is to lOWER it so it is

not

> pummelling the adrnelas constantly but not to shut it off whihc can

be a

> permanent supression of the adrenals.

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The main thing is to have your adrenals support in the correct amount

before starting Armour. Having the constant adrenal stress form the

Nutri Thyroid may cause you to need more cortisol to stabilize. You need

ot graph your temps till you have 3-4 days with a less than .2 degree

temp variation then start the Armoru so I do not know how long that

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>>How much HC in the morning will turn off the ACTH for the day?

If you don't have secondary AI and your pituitary is still

functioning, does it ask for more cortisol when you're under stress,

even if you're on a pretty high dose of HC, say 40 mg, for example. I

don't understand this part. I understand 35-40 mg is enough to stop

ACTH production on a normal, unstressed day for most people, but if

suddenly you get some stress, doesn't the body sense you don't have

enough cortisol all of a sudden and send out ACTH?<<

Yes the body would still send out ACTH but once the adrenals have not had ANY

stilulation for say a week, they start to shrink. And if kept inactive totally

over a certain peeriod of time they will shrink to a point that they CANNOT

respond at all. This is the supression that is feared by doctors when they are

afraid ot give people HC to treat AF. It is a delicate balance. Enough to rest

the adrenals withotu totally supressing them. This is why I really do nto like

to see people on ver 30MG HC, btu I have also seen time swhen it is necessary.

And if pituitary is the problem it si oftern wise to take more as there is no

bringing it back, so why stay in amill condition and starve your body for the

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Val,

I woke this morning and thought i would try Armour again - i took 1/4 of 30mg

and crash down went my mood - how powerful is this stuff - how long will this

amount last - i think i should put all my efforts into my adrenals - what do

you think?

I also have a burning head - is that right.

/Lynn x

wrote:

As oyu are having the problems you are having already why not let the

thyroid selttle out odf oyur system a bit before starting Armour? It has

been ,any years since I took Nuto Thyroid but I also had horrid fluid

retention problem then and i ma weondering if it had something to do

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When adreanls are upset ANY thyroid can do this crash, particularly T4

meds or any containing it. Hopefully it will pass in a few hours.

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Thanks Val,

It has stopped now.

I have just checked my BP is not lower when i stand, so does that mean my

adrenals are all right, or should i do it again, tonight?

Shall I lay off the Armour, or carry on with the 1/4 of 1 grain throughout the

day.

I didnt realise that Armour was that potent, i hope when and if my adrenals

are able to take it - it has the opposite effect.

Thanks you

Lynn x

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When adreanls are upset ANY thyroid can do this crash, particularly T4

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al,

I really dont feel good, feel a bit out of it and down. Is it normal too

feel this when starting Armour - if it is i willcarry on - just feel all achy

and occassional burning head. Feel like someone has turned the light off that

was here last week when i was just on HC.

HELP!

Lynn x

wrote:

I would call it a day wiht thyroid and then repeat this tiny dose

tomorrow. and again the next day then try adding in a second dose. Three

days should allow adrenals enough time to adjust to that dose then you

cna increase by another tiny amount. Some folks with weak adrenals even

on support have to go VERY slowly wiht thyroid and it sure sounds like

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>> I really dont feel good, feel a bit out of it and down. Is it normal too

feel this when starting Armour - if it is i willcarry on - just feel all achy

and occassional burning head. Feel like someone has turned the light off that

was here last week when i was just on HC.<<

With severe adreanl fatigue a dip for 2-3 days is to be expected, but no more.

If it is more than a dip and lasts longer than 2-3 days, then it is either

Thyroid resistance or you do not have enough cortiosl to tolerate thyorid.

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Hi Val,

Why do you suppose you have the hypoglycemic problems with the heat?

I have been having similar problems. Whenever I get too hot, I start

feeling dizzy and yucky. I thought maybe it was low cortisol. Maybe

I will try the chocolate milk thing next time! This all started with

my taking HC and thyroid meds. I love summer and it is a pain!

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> Thanks Kathleen! All hugs apreciate this morning! I am suffering

from

> clostrophobia~ This heat is confining me ot the house and the shop

and I

> haven;t even been able to go to the grocery store this wek due to

the

> HEAT! I sumply can;t function in it. I have no AC in my car and I

tried

> goign this AM on my way to work to pick up a few things..

essentials

> like bottled water and glucose tabs.. tnhen the damned pharmacy was

> locked till 9AM and I couldnt; get those. I almost always have a

> hypoglycemic eposode when I go shopping in the heat, this morning

is no

> differnt, so her i am drinkign chocolate milk to bring my sugar

up..

> VERY bad way to handle this but I am hog tied by theweather.. I am

SO

> ready for winter! Maybe I should move to Alaska.

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i Val,

Could you let me know what you think of this set of adrenal no.s - are they

enough to cause problems ie: anxiety, depression etc.

8 22.1 (6.0-33.0)

12 9.0 (4.0-28.0)

4 3.0 (4.0-5.0)

12pm 2.0 (1.0-5.0)

Plus i had really igh DHEA throughout the day! Also sex hormones were high -

progesterone was through the roof.

Honest comments please.

Many thanks Lynn x

wrote:

>>Do you think it could be case of not needing Armour - have you heard of

anyone just needing there adrenals dealt with. My .last thyroid test in in June

was:

Free T3 4.5 (3-6.2)

Free t4 14.8 (12-22)

TSH 3.1 (0.4-4.0)

My adrenals were low, and myn DHEA was really high, as were all my other sex

hormones.

What do you think?<<

By your thyroid labs you DO need thyroid. I suspect you simply have not got

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Hi Val,

I don't get this...

I stopped Armour, then started again on 6 x nutri thyroid tabs as before and

yet again i got a dip not so much, took 2,5mg of HC seemed to clear it. but i

have been doing BP laying and standing for three days and it is normal, no sign

of adrenal distress - WHAT????????

Thanks Lynn x

lynn spearing wrote:

i Val,

Could you let me know what you think of this set of adrenal no.s - are they

enough to cause problems ie: anxiety, depression etc.

8 22.1 (6.0-33.0)

12 9.0 (4.0-28.0)

4 3.0 (4.0-5.0)

12pm 2.0 (1.0-5.0)

Plus i had really igh DHEA throughout the day! Also sex hormones were high

- progesterone was through the roof.

Honest comments please.

Many thanks Lynn x

wrote: >>Do you think it could be

case of not needing Armour - have you heard of anyone just needing there

adrenals dealt with. My .last thyroid test in in June was:

Free T3 4.5 (3-6.2)

Free t4 14.8 (12-22)

TSH 3.1 (0.4-4.0)

My adrenals were low, and myn DHEA was really high, as were all my other

sex hormones.

What do you think?<<

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the adrenal support right yet.

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hi Val,

My HC has not come from States yet, i hav 15mg left for today and Sunday

hoping it shows on Monday.

How much cream should i use to make the dose up to 30mg.

is the cream as effective as the tabs.

Lynn x

wrote:

>>Do you think it could be case of not needing Armour - have you heard of

anyone just needing there adrenals dealt with. My .last thyroid test in in June

was:

Free T3 4.5 (3-6.2)

Free t4 14.8 (12-22)

TSH 3.1 (0.4-4.0)

My adrenals were low, and myn DHEA was really high, as were all my other sex

hormones.

What do you think?<<

By your thyroid labs you DO need thyroid. I suspect you simply have not got

the adrenal support right yet.

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You will need to experiment with the cream but roughly each 1/4 teaspoon

contains 10MG Hc. this is 1% cream. You may have ot dose a boit high but

try it without and wait to see if you have sympotms before raising it.

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