Re: Need help figuring out my numbers, symptoms etc....(long)

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Your TSH is actually reflecting your true thyroid state as your T3 is

WAY too low. I would suggest some steady dose increases but the high

temps are troublesome. I have seen a couple people wiht really bad

adrenals have the high temps from high cortiosl or thyroid resistance as

a toxicity symptom but your thyroid labs dontl really look like that

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ok, thanks. Guess I don't have any answers then....

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> RT3 causes low temps

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> Yes HIGH cortisol can cause high temps as it is using up too much

> thyroid, thus leaving oyu more hyop and oyu can have hyper and hypo

> symptoms from it. It also can cause RT3 problems. It would be a

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Well, maybe that isn't the case for me bc my FT4 has always been low.

Even when I first became hypo. The only time my FT4 raised was at 3

gr. and extra T4 of .025. (in March) But, then had severe reaction

from my FT4 going up to 1.1 at that time. Went off the extra T4 and

dropped my dose of Armour down to 1.50 gr. and it wasn't until I went

on Medrol & dropped my HC dose down that my TSH went up to 2.28 and my

FT4 dropped back down to .4

Could the Medrol be causing this? My hair is falling out in handfuls

and it is freaking me out! Or, could it be from my hysterectomy that

is causing all this? (higher TSH etc...) Any ideas?

Dana

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> High cortiosl will usually cause low Free T3 and high T4 as the T4 is

> not being converted properly.

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The hyst would be the most likely cause. It REALLY stresses your whole

body and takes at least 6 months to completely recover. Plus your

adrenals now have a new chore.. to make up the hormones that your

removed parts used to do. What they don;t tell you is that even wiht

keeping your ovaries they stop functioning soon after a hyst as the

blood flow ios cut off which used to come from your uterus.

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[Guest guest]

So would being on bio-identical hormones (bi-est, progesterone,

testosterone) and DHEA be considered adrenal support?

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> The hyst would be the most likely cause. It REALLY stresses your whole

> body and takes at least 6 months to completely recover. Plus your

> adrenals now have a new chore.. to make up the hormones that your

> removed parts used to do. What they don;t tell you is that even wiht

> keeping your ovaries they stop functioning soon after a hyst as the

> blood flow ios cut off which used to come from your uterus.

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>>So would being on bio-identical hormones (bi-est, progesterone,

testosterone) and DHEA be considered adrenal support?<<

Not really! It would be takign some of the strain off adrenals that are

stretched too far, btu there is still the 80+ other hormones the adrenals must

produce, mostly cortisol, but DHEA is a type of adrenal support but not

necessarily what you need.

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>>Isn't this a crock? That they do not tell women that leaving in their

ovaries is a waste of time? They also don't tell them that a hyst can cause

incontinence in the future. <<

Ha! Dana after all the experiences wiht doctor's " honesty " on these lists did

you really think an OB GYN is different? The incontonence is cuired wioth proper

hormone replacement.. I can tell ya that much .

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Sandy,

Did you mean to say bc my FT4 was always low? That is what I am

wondering too. Maybe I convert too well and it gets converted to

RT3, which would explain why my FT3 has stayed the same all these

months on HC? Maybe it would explain the constant 98.6 or higher

temp. too.....Yesterday, I was sweating bullets just increasing my

Armour by .15.(3rd day on increase) And, I felt real jittery all

day, with the fun palps at nighttime. Geesh, I am sick to death of

all this crap. I want more than anything to get off these steriods

now and it is so hard. I messed up so badly by taking too much and

now I am suffering the consequences. Last night I was soooo

depressed bc this has been a constant battle since March. Sorry for

the rant!

Dana

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I would think if your T4 is low and your temp is high that something odd is

going on. RT3 causes low temps though.

I hate to suggest this but perhaps you need to get tested for tick-borne

infections or viral infections.

If your T4 is low and your rT3 is high, then that explains the low T4.

Perhaps the high temps are related to chronic mono or Lyme.

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Sandy,

Did you mean to say bc my FT4 was always low? That is what I am

wondering too. Maybe I convert too well and it gets converted to

RT3, which would explain why my FT3 has stayed the same all these

months on HC? Maybe it would explain the constant 98.6 or higher

temp. too.....Yesterday, I was sweating bullets just increasing my

Armour by .15.(3rd day on increase) And, I felt real jittery all

day, with the fun palps at nighttime. Geesh, I am sick to death of

all this crap. I want more than anything to get off these steriods

now and it is so hard. I messed up so badly by taking too much and

now I am suffering the consequences. Last night I was soooo

depressed bc this has been a constant battle since March. Sorry for

the rant!

Dana

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T4 is

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I had a partial hysterectomy when I was 27. I also had//have PCOS which causes

to many male hormones and throws off the estrogen/progesterone balance.

I have been going to a doc for thyroid and the sex hormones but I am not happy

with him. He is the same one who didn't test the adrenals and took my throid

meds up too slowly. He is more about growth hormone.

I read some of the messages on the pituatary gland on STTM site. had one

posted that said it you should be treated in this order ....

adrenal, thyroid, sex hormones and then growth hormone if needed. He also

posted that if a doc pushes growth hormones first to run.

All I know is after 5 years and 3 docs I am no better and probably worse than

when I started. I was on growth hormone for 2 years and it didn't help. My

starting dose on Armour was 1 grain and then 6 months later 1.5 and then 6

months after that 2 grains and then 3 months ago he increased it to 3 grains.

That is when I decided to search for the natural thyroid group and found this

one as well.

I started on HC about 2 weeks ago. Right now I am on 5/2.5/2.5 and back up to

2.5 grains of armour. I use Bi-Est cream for estrogen/progesterone but at this

point I am not sure if it is the right amounts or what my blood work should look

like when estrogen/progesterone and testosterone is done. The last time my

labs were done my testosterone was 7.4 with a lab range of 0.1 to 6.4 so it is

definetly to high.

I seen something posted here or on the thyroid group on sex hormones and amounts

post menopasal women should aim for and estrogen and progesterone both look to

low from my lab work.

It looks like my progesterone should be 11 but my lab shows 1.7 and my doctor

says that it is okay. I say time for a new doc but I have no clue where a good

doc is to be found. I am going to call the compounding lab that does my bi-est

and see if they can give me the name of a doc or two. But then I have to figure

out the adrenal and thyroid. I almost am to depressed and too tired to deal

with it all.

Re: Need help figuring out my numbers, symptoms

etc....(long)

The proper sequence ot balanceing hormones is Adrenal, thyroid then sex

hormones, unles oyu have something you KNOW is causing low sex hormones,

liek having a Hyst.

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Kattie sorry you are having the Doctor Hell as well as Health Hell. the

two together are unbearable! I stopped going to doctors jsut short of

them killing me three different times. I am really no help in finding a

good doc, just want you to know you are not alone in this frustration.

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[Guest guest]

Definitely sounds like you could use progesterone. Are you taking any

soy, black cohosh, or anything that could be increasing your estrogen?

Usually using the P for the 2 weeks prior to expected onset of menses

will help with this.

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This breast condition began when I started Cortef. Is it just coincidental that

it showed up at this time?

M.

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>>Val - I have developed sore breasts 8 months ago and

have been on HC and Armour since then. I thought it

was due to lack of iodine but I take 1-2 ioderal

tablets daily and there hasn't been any improvement.

They are also a cup size larger which is nice, LOL.

The only other possiblity is lack of progesterone,

correct? <<

Low cortisol causes high estrogen, so I would eb suspicious you arenot on enough

HC.

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