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Joan,

thank you for your insightful post.  I'm trying to make sence of my Lumbar

Puncture report and as a laymen it is " mind numbing " to say the least.  As

things stand for me I just got tested through IgeneX and will get my results

back on Aug 3rd.  What has peaked my interests as of late is (given my limited

understanding of the text); is why wasn't a Western Blot performed to rule out

Lyme Disease when it clearly states an abnormally high albumin level in both the

CSF (cerebrospinalfluid) and Albumin Index (IGg) are present........The test

clearly implies its' imperfect nature for a soid MS diagnosis if their

elevated.  I mean it's only 90% indicative for MS.  Is it fair to say that an MS

diagnosis was a bit premature without performing additional testing; such as

Western Blot to rule out Lyme Disease; which would have ultimately supported the

notion that the eleveted albumin levels were proof of MS definitively.  Because

if this lab work comes

back positve for Lyme in Aug, I can assure you this question will require an

answer.  I'd like to know who has the authority to get away with giving a

short-sighted diagnoses that may have perminentley damaged my CNS. 

Thanks again, 

Mike M.

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Mike, the ones who can and decide OVER everyone CDC and FDA. In case of lyme

well IDSA is the culprit and their outraging power over peoples lives! All

illness has a cause, even MS, and if not genetic then what? Well, the causes

possible are plenty but no one seems to really wanna find them, including the MS

society... Sadly in the end it's on you and like-minded others... all the best!

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Joan,

thank you for your insightful post.  I'm trying to make sence of my Lumbar

Puncture report and as a laymen it is " mind numbing " to say the least.  As

things stand for me I just got tested through IgeneX and will get my results

back on Aug 3rd.  What has peaked my interests as of late is (given my limited

understanding of the text); is why wasn't a Western Blot performed to rule out

Lyme Disease when it clearly states an abnormally high albumin level in both

the CSF (cerebrospinalfluid) and Albumin Index (IGg) are present........The test

clearly implies its' imperfect nature for a soid MS diagnosis if their

elevated.  I mean it's only 90% indicative for MS.  Is it fair to say that an

MS diagnosis was a bit premature without performing additional testing; such as

Western Blot to rule out Lyme Disease; which would have ultimately supported

the notion that the eleveted albumin levels were proof of MS definitively. 

Because if this lab work comes

back positve for Lyme in Aug, I can assure you this question will require an

answer.  I'd like to know who has the authority to get away with giving a

short-sighted diagnoses that may have perminentley damaged my CNS. 

Thanks again, 

Mike M.

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Valery, exactly my point. The financial loss to big pharma, oh boy, cannot

afford that so lets keep folks sick and get their money... so sad.so

disgusting! Bianca

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> Joan,

> thank you for your insightful post. I'm trying to make sence of my Lumbar

> Puncture report and as a laymen it is " mind numbing " to say the least. As

> things stand for me I just got tested through IgeneX and will get my

results

> back on Aug 3rd. What has peaked my interests as of late is (given my

> limited understanding of the text); is why wasn't a Western Blot performed

> to rule out Lyme Disease when it clearly states an abnormally high albumin

> level in both the CSF (cerebrospinalfluid) and Albumin Index (IGg) are

> present........The test clearly implies its' imperfect nature for a soid

MS

> diagnosis if t

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I would be interested in seeing an LLMD and getting the Iginex test.

Unfortunately my health insurance does not cover any of the LLMDs in my area or

the Igivinex test. I suppose it would be about $300 for the consult and another

$200 or so? for the test. I suppose it would be worth it if I am one who has

Lyme and not MS. I did have the standard Western blot but that was negative but

I know from those here that that is not a valid test. If I were to come out

positive on Iginex I am not sure I want to put my body through years of

antibiotics, so this is a hard call for me.

Is there any way symptomatically that one can try to figure out if they have

lyme versus MS caused by other things?

Zoe

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I would be interested in seeing an LLMD and getting the Iginex test.

Unfortunately my health insurance does not cover any of the LLMDs in my area or

the Igivinex test. I suppose it would be about $300 for the consult and another

$200 or so? for the test. I suppose it would be worth it if I am one who has

Lyme and not MS. I did have the standard Western blot but that was negative but

I know from those here that that is not a valid test. If I were to come out

positive on Iginex I am not sure I want to put my body through years of

antibiotics, so this is a hard call for me.

Is there any way symptomatically that one can try to figure out if they have

lyme versus MS caused by other things?

Zoe

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Zoe,

You may be able to find a LLMD near you that participates with IgeneX labs

(http://igenex.com/Website/) by contacting IgeneX directly.  If you haven't

already done so, I'd call all of the LLMD's that they give you (near you and

not)Don't just go off what your ins. co. tells you. You may find one who is

in/out of network for your ins.  Also, The Western Blot is a valid test for

diagnosing a particular Lyme bacteria (I believe Borrelia).  The problem is that

MD's usually stop there.  IgeneX does a wider panel of bacterial tests as well

as co-infections that won't be detected on a Western Blot alone.  And you can't

stop there.  Fry Labs does additional testing IgeneX doesn't and vice-versa. As

for antibiotics, the spirochete bacteria is more dangerous to your body if left

untreated than antibiotics.  There are alternative/holistic testing/treatment

options. check out this link http://www.ehealthland.com/Kits_Boiron.asp.  I

believe my LLMD

used a portable test kit like the one in the link.  He told me that 100% of the

patients who tested positive using the homeopathic test came back positive on

their IgeneX blood work (I was positive for Lyme); so it may be worth looking

into...........Good Luck 

 

Mike Macchiarella

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Zoe,

You may be able to find a LLMD near you that participates with IgeneX labs

(http://igenex.com/Website/) by contacting IgeneX directly.  If you haven't

already done so, I'd call all of the LLMD's that they give you (near you and

not)Don't just go off what your ins. co. tells you. You may find one who is

in/out of network for your ins.  Also, The Western Blot is a valid test for

diagnosing a particular Lyme bacteria (I believe Borrelia).  The problem is that

MD's usually stop there.  IgeneX does a wider panel of bacterial tests as well

as co-infections that won't be detected on a Western Blot alone.  And you can't

stop there.  Fry Labs does additional testing IgeneX doesn't and vice-versa. As

for antibiotics, the spirochete bacteria is more dangerous to your body if left

untreated than antibiotics.  There are alternative/holistic testing/treatment

options. check out this link http://www.ehealthland.com/Kits_Boiron.asp.  I

believe my LLMD

used a portable test kit like the one in the link.  He told me that 100% of the

patients who tested positive using the homeopathic test came back positive on

their IgeneX blood work (I was positive for Lyme); so it may be worth looking

into...........Good Luck 

 

Mike Macchiarella

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Mike,

You were treated for Lyme? How did it go, are you symptom free?

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> ,

> Always interesting to see the reactions expressed by members in regard to

different subjects pertaining to MS.  I've been a member for a couple of years

now and I think two things to try and keep in mind here are that most if not all

of what you read about in here pertains to or encompassed MS in one way or

another.   Second, as with all things they WILL come and they WILL go.  With MS

it is such an unknown.  I believe healthy            debate/discussion is

vitally important to exercising an objective understanding of the entire scope

of MS. I find when I get grumpy and that's quite often I can aways count on my

dog or a funny movie to bring me out of my funk.  We all have to find our

way..........

>  Cheers,

> Mike Macchiarella

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Mike,

You were treated for Lyme? How did it go, are you symptom free?

>

> ,

> Always interesting to see the reactions expressed by members in regard to

different subjects pertaining to MS.  I've been a member for a couple of years

now and I think two things to try and keep in mind here are that most if not all

of what you read about in here pertains to or encompassed MS in one way or

another.   Second, as with all things they WILL come and they WILL go.  With MS

it is such an unknown.  I believe healthy            debate/discussion is

vitally important to exercising an objective understanding of the entire scope

of MS. I find when I get grumpy and that's quite often I can aways count on my

dog or a funny movie to bring me out of my funk.  We all have to find our

way..........

>  Cheers,

> Mike Macchiarella

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saw a post on my Lyme Disease Facebook account about a group / fund for

financially helping people get IgeneX tests.

My IgeneX test was about $495. My last LLMD appointment was about $300.

The standard inaccurate test is the ELISA test. IgeneX is a Western blot.

Sadly, if we have had the sickness for a while, not even the IgeneX test is a

" slam dunk " test. At least mine wasn't.

There are a couple of other options. The book " Healing Lyme " by Buhner,

available on Amazon, uses herbs to make tea. Currently I am taking an herbal

tea in addition to my antibiotics.

Sadly, I have taken prednisone, and Rebif, and therefore a " steroid disaster " .

Will be moving to IM antibiotics and maybe intravenous antibiotics. I am

EXTREMELY puny as I have been sick for so long. Have taken oral antibiotics for

2.5 years now and still use a 4 wheel walker to move through my home. The

intravenous abx with tube to my heart may be my only route out of this mess.

I have TWO MS diagnoses. Have taken Rebif, Copaxone, and EAP. The longer we

wait, the longer the spirochetes and coinfections have to reproduce inside of us

:-(

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> I would be interested in seeing an LLMD and getting the Iginex test.

Unfortunately my health insurance does not cover any of the LLMDs in my area or

the Igivinex test. I suppose it would be about $300 for the consult and another

$200 or so? for the test. I suppose it would be worth it if I am one who has

Lyme and not MS. I did have the standard Western blot but that was negative but

I know from those here that that is not a valid test. If I were to come out

positive on Iginex I am not sure I want to put my body through years of

antibiotics, so this is a hard call for me.

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> Is there any way symptomatically that one can try to figure out if they have

lyme versus MS caused by other things?

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> Zoe

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SirR,

Look into hyperbarric oxygen chamber therepy. It opens the muscle tissues

allowing your herbs/antibotics to penetrate deeper and attack spirochetes that

have burrowed in. Also, my naturopath informed me my protease breaks down the

biofilm that these bugs encapsulate themsrlves in to hide from the immune

system, herbs, & antibiotics. Look into it

-M

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Also, it is more likely for the body to develop co infections if Lyme is left

untreated. One of the co infections that can be present is babesia and if this

is present hyperbaric cannot be used because babesia thrives on oxygen. I

brought up HBOT to my LLMD and he said we would have to sort out my co

infections first.

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> SirR,

> Look into hyperbarric oxygen chamber therepy. It opens the muscle tissues

allowing your herbs/antibotics to penetrate deeper and attack spirochetes that

have burrowed in. Also, my naturopath informed me my protease breaks down the

biofilm that these bugs encapsulate themsrlves in to hide from the immune

system, herbs, & antibiotics. Look into it

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> -M

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Thanks ,

I didn't know that about Babesia and HBOT.  I was reading on the CALDA site

about Babesia and something struck me.  Babesia allows HHV-6 and EBV to

flourish.  I have both and have been unsuccessful at nuetralizing the EBV after

months of trying different therepies (alternative and conventional).  It'll be

very interesting to see if I have had Lyme  all the while and more

interestingly if I have a Babesia co-infection.

Mike Macchiarella

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Your welcome Mike:) I didn't either and was in my LLMD's office asking for a

script from him to try HBOT when he told me about the babesia. You should watch

the radio show where he is interviewed. He talks about a wide range of

issues......do a Google search on Dr and Lyme and you will find

the video link.

Best,

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On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Macchiarella

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> I didn't know that about Babesia and HBOT. I was reading on the CALDA site

about Babesia and something struck me. Babesia allows HHV-6 and EBV to

flourish. I have both and have been unsuccessful at nuetralizing the EBV after

months of trying different therepies (alternative and conventional). It'll be

very interesting to see if I have had Lyme all the while and more interestingly

if I have a Babesia co-infection.

>

> Mike Macchiarella

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