Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 I cannot be brainwashed on this point. Seriously, did anyone go into a 12 step meeting and see those people as Spiritual? AA, for me, was, " Well, I guess this is The Reservation. Better get used to life on the reservation. " But real life, higher, more vital, more exciting € '¥ psssst, come on. Old Timers € '¥ Spiritually advanced? You€ '²re not foolin€ '² anyone you know. (-Monty Python) I think it is more accurately the inability to handle € '±The Spirits€ '² which are liberated via substances which drives some people to excess and ultimately drives some people to repression and suppression. Putting in Time as a respressed Suppressor creates something akin to the reverse of spiritual maturity. Did anyone see The Omega Man? When offered a cure, the Mutants, who had been harmed by a plague that wiped out most of humanity, and who as The Mutants had found a way to cope with the disease mid-stage, € '¥ when finally offered a Cure to their disease, they freaked even more and killed the doctor and smashed up his lab. Why? Because being diseased had evolved into their cavern religion with rites and spookiness; it gave them identity and purpose. In the end, drinking responsibly, having wine, or some Scotch, or getting blitzed with friends for Fun now and then, or 4 beers while fishing, etc. -- and handling it. In the end, that is BORING. If you handled it you would have to get on with Life. Do something, be normal, be a person in the world. AA, NA with their rituals, sex-ploitation, and weekly, daily entertainment soap opera of lives on the rocks (with real crying) and promises of riches and showing off and buoyancy over the less fortunate, and hugs and bawdy coffee marathons, is more interesting. The 12 steps is a menagerie of mental and emotionanal dwarfs. [The contraction is apt.] The 12 steps is the Lunchables of self-help. Healing? Nutritious? Real? Good? Sober? Spiritual? No. -GP I thought it important to say that not all of us > psychedelic > > freaks (oh yes, I definitely count as one of that category) have > such messianical, gospel- > > spreading ways of dealing with their trips. > > > Yeah, I agree. In fact, I've never met an acid messiah, only those > who delude themselves without chemicals. Actually, I'd rather deal > with the psychedelic evangelists because they'd probably be willing > to share their drugs. > > The main thing that bugs me about all these recovery gurus who got > their big inspiration from hallucinogens is that one of my main > rationalizations for doing drugs was that it might give me some kind > of " spiritual insight. " I quit doing drugs, and now I discover that > the damn recovery gurus played a major role in spreading the idiotic > notion that made drugs so attractive to me in the first place. > Furthermore, since these gurus insist that spiritual " insights " are > so damn important to " recovery, " it makes you want to ask: " If you > found so much wisdom from drugs, why the hell shouldn't everybody > keep doing drugs so they can get all that freaking wisdom for > themselves? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 I second that. I thought it important to say that not all of us > > psychedelic > > > freaks (oh yes, I definitely count as one of that category) have > > such messianical, gospel- > > > spreading ways of dealing with their trips. > > > > > Yeah, I agree. In fact, I've never met an acid messiah, only those > > who delude themselves without chemicals. Actually, I'd rather deal > > with the psychedelic evangelists because they'd probably be willing > > to share their drugs. > > > > The main thing that bugs me about all these recovery gurus who got > > their big inspiration from hallucinogens is that one of my main > > rationalizations for doing drugs was that it might give me some > kind > > of " spiritual insight. " I quit doing drugs, and now I discover that > > the damn recovery gurus played a major role in spreading the > idiotic > > notion that made drugs so attractive to me in the first place. > > Furthermore, since these gurus insist that spiritual " insights " are > > so damn important to " recovery, " it makes you want to ask: " If you > > found so much wisdom from drugs, why the hell shouldn't everybody > > keep doing drugs so they can get all that freaking wisdom for > > themselves? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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