Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Very Interesting! I looked up the disease and my wife has many of the symptoms. Recently she has been having problems with thrush in her mouth which is supposedly one of the symptoms. It appears that most of the treatments are what we have been promoting already. (Vit D, Gluten Free, etc) I hope this is a key towards curing MS for you...:-) Tom Nesler Hashimoto's I've always thought that hypothyroidism was a big part of my problem. I got a book by Datis Kharrazian called " Why do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms When my Lab Tests are Normal? " . He claims that most cases of hypo are actually autoimmune (Hashimoto's). I have followed some of his advice and, although I haven't seen him or any of his students to get the testing and council, I have had some improvements from some of the dietary advice in his book. The biggest was when I upped my vitamin D intake to 6000 iu. He recommends 5-20,000 iu in emulsified form. I only have caps until the product that I ordered arrives. The first step towards recovery is blood sugar modulation. Because of that I have cut out carbs (all grains-at the moment) and all types of sugar. Another big thing is restoration of gut flora which I have been working towards for some time. He also said that gluten is a trigger and that replacement hormones only work for one kind of hypo which is not the type that I likely have. For the past few nights I have been able to turn over on my side, something I haven't been able to do in years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well if you have ms, I hope you are already gluten free and taking vitamin d of at least 5,000. Also LDN is also used for hashimotos since it is autoimmune, so I hope you have already tried that since you have ms. In other words the treatment for hashimotos is pretty much the same as MS and none of this should be news. On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:36 AM, " pughallison1958 " wrote: > I've always thought that hypothyroidism was a big part of my problem. I got a book by Datis Kharrazian called " Why do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms When my Lab Tests are Normal? " . He claims that most cases of hypo are actually autoimmune (Hashimoto's). I have followed some of his advice and, although I haven't seen him or any of his students to get the testing and council, I have had some improvements from some of the dietary advice in his book. The biggest was when I upped my vitamin D intake to 6000 iu. He recommends 5-20,000 iu in emulsified form. I only have caps until the product that I ordered arrives. The first step towards recovery is blood sugar modulation. Because of that I have cut out carbs (all grains-at the moment) and all types of sugar. Another big thing is restoration of gut flora which I have been working towards for some time. He also said that gluten is a trigger and that replacement hormones only work for one kind of hypo which is not the type that I likely have. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 oh, by the wy if you want to order the special test that detects hashimoto but the docs usually dont check for you can just order it online yourself. So if your doctor doesnt know about hashimoto or wont check for it, you can just do it yourself. http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC006676/Thyroid-Peroxidase-Antibody\ -Blood-Test.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I read in the book by Datis that the tests are inaccurate because they only test for TSH and not antibodies. There are 7 subtypes of Hashimoto's. I was tested by my neurologist years ago and the tests came back negative. My most current doctor also ordered tests for thyroid and I was within range. I ordered Armour from the UK without a prescription and it didn't help. Kharrazian says to treat the autoimmune aspect and not the thyroid. I'm giving it a shot. > oh, by the wy if you want to order the special test that detects hashimoto > but the docs usually dont check for you > can just order it online yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hi, Similarly I was diagnosed with hypothyroid along with the MS. I have been taking Naturethroid for 2 years and my TSH, Free T3, and Free T4 are in the optimal range now. However, I see NO corresponding improvements in my symptoms, which makes me wonder why I keep taking the Naturethroid. In fact if anything it seems I have gained weight since going on the Naturethroid as the only difference. I have also tried Synthroid and Armour, but settled on Naturethroid because a hormone specialist recommended that one and my Free T3 was still too low on the Synthroid. From what I read, most cases of hypothyroidism are the result of Hashimotos, but most docs don't know how to test for Hashis. They need to do various thyroid antibody tests to test for Hashis and they don't know they need to do this (or most don't).  But from what I read on the Net, the treatment for Hashis and the treatment for Hypothyroidism is the same anyway--That being one of the aforementioned thyroid meds. I have wondered if I would be better off just working with iodine and with detox and using foods that are good for thryoid. I would like to get off all meds one day. Zoe Subject: Hashimoto's To: mscured Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:36 AM  I've always thought that hypothyroidism was a big part of my problem. I got a book by Datis Kharrazian called " Why do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms When my Lab Tests are Normal? " . He claims that most cases of hypo are actually autoimmune (Hashimoto's). I have followed some of his advice and, although I haven't seen him or any of his students to get the testing and council, I have had some improvements from some of the dietary advice in his book. The biggest was when I upped my vitamin D intake to 6000 iu. He recommends 5-20,000 iu in emulsified form. I only have caps until the product that I ordered arrives. The first step towards recovery is blood sugar modulation. Because of that I have cut out carbs (all grains-at the moment) and all types of sugar. Another big thing is restoration of gut flora which I have been working towards for some time. He also said that gluten is a trigger and that replacement hormones only work for one kind of hypo which is not the type that I likely have. For the past few nights I have been able to turn over on my side, something I haven't been able to do in years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I am gluten-free and I take vitamin D but I upped the level and it's helping more. Dr. Kharrazian said that not absorbing vitamin D properly could be hereditary and it's common with autoimmune diseases. He also recommends fish oil (for the EPA and DHA) besides emulsified vitamin D. I tried LDN without success. There are too many issues to consider for one pill to solve all problems. It may not be news but not all people need the same treatment for the same disease. > > Well if you have ms, I hope you are already gluten free and taking vitamin d of at least 5,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hi, Similarly I was diagnosed with hypothyroid along with the MS. I have been taking Naturethroid for 2 years and my TSH, Free T3, and Free T4 are in the optimal range now. However, I see NO corresponding improvements in my symptoms, which makes me wonder why I keep taking the Naturethroid. In fact if anything it seems I have gained weight since going on the Naturethroid as the only difference. I have also tried Synthroid and Armour, but settled on Naturethroid because a hormone specialist recommended that one and my Free T3 was still too low on the Synthroid. From what I read, most cases of hypothyroidism are the result of Hashimotos, but most docs don't know how to test for Hashis. They need to do various thyroid antibody tests to test for Hashis and they don't know they need to do this (or most don't).  But from what I read on the Net, the treatment for Hashis and the treatment for Hypothyroidism is the same anyway--That being one of the aforementioned thyroid meds. I have wondered if I would be better off just working with iodine and with detox and using foods that are good for thryoid. I would like to get off all meds one day. Zoe Subject: Hashimoto's To: mscured Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:36 AM  I've always thought that hypothyroidism was a big part of my problem. I got a book by Datis Kharrazian called " Why do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms When my Lab Tests are Normal? " . He claims that most cases of hypo are actually autoimmune (Hashimoto's). I have followed some of his advice and, although I haven't seen him or any of his students to get the testing and council, I have had some improvements from some of the dietary advice in his book. The biggest was when I upped my vitamin D intake to 6000 iu. He recommends 5-20,000 iu in emulsified form. I only have caps until the product that I ordered arrives. The first step towards recovery is blood sugar modulation. Because of that I have cut out carbs (all grains-at the moment) and all types of sugar. Another big thing is restoration of gut flora which I have been working towards for some time. He also said that gluten is a trigger and that replacement hormones only work for one kind of hypo which is not the type that I likely have. For the past few nights I have been able to turn over on my side, something I haven't been able to do in years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Huh ? did you even click on the link ? or did you just assume something ? The link if you would just click on it and read is the test for antibodies. This is the test, the docs use to check for hashimoto Do you really think I would post a link for just TSH ? How insulting ! On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Pugh wrote: > ** > > > > I read in the book by Datis that the tests are inaccurate because they only > test for TSH and not antibodies. There are 7 subtypes of Hashimoto's. I was > tested by my neurologist years ago and the tests came back negative. My most > current doctor also ordered tests for thyroid and I was within range. I > ordered Armour from the UK without a prescription and it didn't help. > Kharrazian says to treat the autoimmune aspect and not the thyroid. I'm > giving it a shot. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 The treatment is not the same according to Datis. You might benefit from reading his book. In his words " iodine supplementation is like throwing gasoline onto a fire! " . He uses different markers to identify Hashimoto's. > > Hi, Similarly I was diagnosed with hypothyroid along with the MS. I have been taking Naturethroid for 2 years and my TSH, Free T3, and have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I opened the link and it concerns testing for thyroid and not autoimmunity. I know my thyroid is low and what the subtype is based on having MS and knowing my symptoms. But thanks, I'll file the information in case I ever need it. > > > ** > > > > > > > > I read in the book by Datis that the tests are inaccurate because they only > > test for TSH and not antibodies. There are 7 subtypes of Hashimoto's. I was > > tested by my neurologist years ago and the tests came back negative. My most > > current doctor also ordered tests for thyroid and I was within range. I > > ordered Armour from the UK without a prescription and it didn't help. > > Kharrazian says to treat the autoimmune aspect and not the thyroid. I'm > > giving it a shot. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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