RE: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat.

[Guest guest]

The Aztecs also had amazing soil building techniques that still aren’t fully

understood today! Imagine how much healthier we would all be if we could

build soil up from nothing like they did. I read a great article on the

black soil of the Aztecs in areas that were rainforest where the soil is

notoriously poor.

I am not sure how much more advanced our society is… we may not be actively

committing human sacrifice yet I see people are killed every day by poor

government policies concerning drugs, food, misapplied law etc. Not to

mention all the crazy people killing and torturing others, and the

accidental deaths.

Some future culture may find remnants of our death penalty for convicted

murderers (innocent or not) and assume we had human sacrifices as well…

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gasper Family Farm

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to

eat.

I'm sorry but this is going to be my last comment in dealing with your

lack of research. All of us are constantly beating against it and you

refuse to actually check facts before saying something stupid.

http://www.aztec-history.com/aztec-farming.html

Aztec's had an awesome farming system. No they didn't have tractors and

monoculture but WOW floating islands built out of reeds to farm in the

marshy areas with complex dams, aquaducts, and gates... Sounds awfully

advanced to me. The Chinese, by the way, farm land that we in the US

wouldn't even consider for grazing.

I can't say that I agree with yin and yang as well but having healed

myself after being on the road to death with Lupus by use of a lot of

their pseudo science, I sure have to give them a bit of credit on the

medical side. Then their current poor farmers look a lot healthier than

a lot of people. And then cake.. oh, so you think they don't know how to

make something sweet.. I think your definition of " poor " is twisted

based on... once again Western Culture. In the US we are utterly spoiled

and if something bad happens most people wouldn't have a clue how to

take care of themselves and would starve. All those " rich " people who

live in the modern houses don't have a clue how to even grow vegetables

let alone prepare food from real things and not out of a box.

But now I wait for your response that is based on your opinion and

limited knowledge of cultures.. however, don't expect me to respond

again unless you actually research it this time.

Holt wrote:

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> I know enough to say it appears that countries that are currently

> behind also happen to be eating dogs. Aztecs may have had some

> advanced skills, but as a whole culture and even the way the

> government was ran was primitive. Especially in their agriculture

> they were way behind.

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> Now I don't know much about China when it had a benevolent soveriegn.

> I don't buy alot of this yin yang crap. There is some truth to it but

> a lot of it sounds like a lot of pseudo science. I won't argue with

> Taoism or acupuncture, but what I've read of the yin and yang to food

> I don't buy. Modern China is given way too much credit. If there

> citizens have better health than ours it's because they're too poor to

> afford cake and their into traditional cooking which tends to be much

> healthier than our fast food society. Their healthcare system is

> probably a joke so they have to be more conscious of taking care of

> themselves.

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> > I wonder what age of the Chinese you are talking about.� In recent

> times they are one of the biggest examples of what can go wrong with a

> country.� Huge population of poor, over populated, oppressive

> government, polution, waste, far worse in that category than America

> or any other country.� Behind in every way.� Perhaps they did have

> one of the most advanced Governments centuries if not millenia ago,

> but not in recent times.� Not knowing my history too well I'll guess

> either it's the poor that eat dogs or it is the modern inferior

> government officials that eat it.

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> > Aztecs may have had interesting particularly advanced skills, but as

> a whole culture they were very primitive.� Unlike some Native Indian

> cultures I can't say there is any personal attributes of an aztec

> individual I would admire in particular.� In my opinion they are a

> terrible example of a culture at that, where there are the people at

> top who get all the meat while most of the population lived

> meagerly.� I would not want to be an aztec living in those days.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for that citation, Carolyn. I hadn't seen that conversation

before. It is, however, a pretty lukewarm caution: " perhaps best

avoided if you are unwell. " She further says, " this is fertile ground

for research. " This post further confirms for me that her hesitation

about pork has a lot to do with respect for religious prohibitions. I

have no such religious prohibitions, so if there's evidence other than

that, I'd really like to hear about it. The traditional wisdom

reported by Weston Price has been confirmed and furthered by modern

science.

It's interesting that Sally recommends soaking pork in vinegar first.

I hadn't noticed that in Eat Fat, Lose Fat, before. I might try that

next time I cook pork and see whether I can discern any difference in

digestibility. I always take betaine hydrochloride capsules when I eat

meat anyway, so as to be sure to get the most out of it.

It still doesn't make sense to me that the fat could be healthful to

eat while the meat is not. If anyone can shed light on that, I'd love

to hear about it. I'm open to being convinced that pork is unsuitable

food, but I haven't seen anything remotely convincing yet.

Thanks much,

Jeanmarie

P.S. This ongoing thread has prompted another thought, not directed at

anyone in particular or this list in particular, but I wanted to toss

this out here. As highly as I think of Sally and her work, I'm a

little uncomfortable about the tendency among her followers (myself

included) to parse her every word as though she's God's latest oracle.

I don't think Sally takes herself that seriously, based on my

impressions of meeting and conversing with her and reading extensively

of her writings. She's pretty down to earth. She appears to believe in

evidence, both from modern scientific research and from the results of

traditional culinary and dietary practices, both in the past and

applied now. I think she's a real visionary, not just a researcher.

But everyone is subject to the limits of their knowledge and

experience at a given time, to the human propensity to make errors

despite great knowledge and skill, to being swayed by unconscious

biases, and the current state of scientific advance. It's a process,

not a destination.

On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:52 AM, carolyn_graff wrote:

> here's where she says to avoid if sick

> http://onibasu.com/archives/cl/24871.html

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> > > Apparently she doesn't want to go into further detail with the

> > > research because it will open up too much debate with the people

> > > that farm pigs in the WAPF community.

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> > That's a real logical leap. What makes you sure you know why she

> > didn't go into further detail? Maybe she didn't have further

> > definitive information at the time.

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> > > It's wise that she does recommend to avoid it if you are sick or

> > > healing.

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[Guest guest]

Oh I saw a documentary on this on History channel or something. They were

very advanced and the show said it they had water systems and what not and

the Romans filched those too like they did things from other cultures. =)

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Castaway

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat.

ATLANTIS - ha! I gave a link to the new Gourmet Magazine Cookbook, which

I'm sure has lots of pork recipes.

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