Guest guest Posted March 24, 2000 Report Share Posted March 24, 2000 Right on, Judith! People who take Tylenol for their headaches feel no need to bully and harass those who take aspirin. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors, but they don't give me shit for using a regular MD. Some people lose weight by dieting, others by exercise, still others do both. None of these three groups has a major superiority complex over the other two. So what's the deal with AA? Why the predictions of certain doom and hostility toward those who don't want to do it their way? The nicer people in AA will tell you that the AAssholes like Cowboy Bob and HigherPower/Femstroker/ are just " sick " or " imperfect. " The implication is that they were shitheads when they came into the Program and they just haven't made enough " spiritual progress " to escape their shitheadism yet. I don't buy that. I believe the hostility toward other rehab approaches was 100% implanted by AA. Almost no one walks into " the rooms " thinking that 12 Steps is the only way. The prejudice against secular methods must have been programmed into these zombies through AA. I don't necessarily blame the Big Book, because it's written in fairly flexible language. I think this programming is more a function of unofficial AA culture -- the unwritten rules and attitudes that sprang up after AA got to be the 800-pound gorilla of the rehab zoo. " judith stillwater " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13929 > It's hard to believe that fragile people who are trying to overcome > addictions are entrusted to the likes of what I've seen here today. > It's not as satisfying with people who defend themselves, is it? Keep > it up. You do a much better job of telling the truth about AA than any > of us who are free ever could. > > Judith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2000 Report Share Posted March 24, 2000 (Apologies if this appears twice. Getting funny messages from the server.) Right on, Judith! People who take Tylenol for their headaches feel no need to bully and harass those who take aspirin. I know lots of people who go to chiropractors, but they don't give me shit for using a regular MD. Some people lose weight by dieting, others by exercise, still others do both. None of these three groups has a major superiority complex over the other two. So what's the deal with AA? Why the predictions of certain doom and hostility toward those who don't want to do it their way? The nicer people in AA will tell you that the AAssholes like Cowboy Bob and HigherPower/Femstroker/ are just " sick " or " imperfect. " The implication is that they were shitheads when they came into the Program and they just haven't made enough " spiritual progress " to escape their shitheadism yet. I don't buy that. I believe the hostility toward other rehab approaches was 100% implanted by AA. Almost no one walks into " the rooms " thinking that 12 Steps is the only way. The prejudice against secular methods must have been programmed into these zombies through AA. I don't necessarily blame the Big Book, because it's written in fairly flexible language. I think this programming is more a function of unofficial AA culture -- the unwritten rules and attitudes that sprang up after AA got to be the 800-pound gorilla of the rehab zoo. " judith stillwater " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13929 > It's hard to believe that fragile people who are trying to overcome > addictions are entrusted to the likes of what I've seen here today. > It's not as satisfying with people who defend themselves, is it? Keep > it up. You do a much better job of telling the truth about AA than any > of us who are free ever could. > > Judith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2000 Report Share Posted March 24, 2000 Well said, Jim. It surprises me to see AA'ers here. Why would someone who is " working a good program " be hanging out in 12-step-free? > > >Right on, Judith! > >People who take Tylenol for their headaches feel no need to bully and >harass those who take aspirin. I know lots of people who go to >chiropractors, but they don't give me shit for using a regular MD. Some >people lose weight by dieting, others by exercise, still others do >both. None of these three groups has a major superiority complex over >the other two. So what's the deal with AA? Why the predictions of >certain doom and hostility toward those who don't want to do it their >way? > >The nicer people in AA will tell you that the AAssholes like Cowboy Bob >and HigherPower/Femstroker/ are just " sick " or " imperfect. " The >implication is that they were shitheads when they came into the Program >and they just haven't made enough " spiritual progress " to escape their >shitheadism yet. > >I don't buy that. I believe the hostility toward other rehab approaches >was 100% implanted by AA. Almost no one walks into " the rooms " thinking >that 12 Steps is the only way. The prejudice against secular methods >must have been programmed into these zombies through AA. I don't >necessarily blame the Big Book, because it's written in fairly flexible >language. I think this programming is more a function of unofficial AA >culture -- the unwritten rules and attitudes that sprang up after AA >got to be the 800-pound gorilla of the rehab zoo. > > > " judith stillwater " wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13929 > > It's hard to believe that fragile people who are trying to overcome > > addictions are entrusted to the likes of what I've seen here today. > > It's not as satisfying with people who defend themselves, is it? Keep > > it up. You do a much better job of telling the truth about AA than >any > > of us who are free ever could. > > > > Judith > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup >Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. >Install today: >http://click./1/2344/1/_/4324/_/953928423/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=12-step-free & m=1 > ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2000 Report Share Posted March 24, 2000 Bob, I should have been more specific. The Big Book at least pays lip service to the idea that AA doesn't have a monopoly on recovery. Yet the AA fanatics, who claim to live by the book, say AA DOES have a monopoly. But you're right as far as the God angle is concerned. No flexibility there. robert warner wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13999 > Jim Hankins wrote: > I don't necessarily blame the Big Book, because it's written in fairly > flexible language. > =============== > Sorry, Jim, I don't buy that. The Big Book makes it clear that if God > doesn't relieve your alcoholism in response to working the Steps you > will die an alcoholic death. I don't see any real flexibility in this > snake oil at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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