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> Is the pain similar to that known as " side-stich " often

> encountered by runners? This is caused by vigorous exercise that

> stretches the

> ligaments that attach the liver to your diaphragm:

>

> http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1611.html

>

> I used to be a long-distance runner, and so I can relate to this.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Dave

> (father of (19); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03)

Similar but higher and more to the back. Also it can be MUCH worse

than a runners cramp. I've actually passed out from the pain once.

I was up and could not get comfortable no matter what I did, sit,

stand, lay down... I went back to the bedroom to have my wife take

me to the hospital and blacked out. Needless to say I was admitted,

given pain killers and IV antibiotics.

I am sure it is stress related (for me anyway). I've got a

perscription to Vidoden for the pain and Cipro because, as stated in

another post, the pain seems to be caused by an infection. I have

also experienced this pain after drinking alcohol, 1 beer on New

Years Eve got me a 4 day stay at the hospital.

I wish I could tell you more but when it hits it just there, there

are not any warning signs, and although the pain goes away it seems

to take my body a couple weeks to recover fully each time it happens.

Hope that helps

Adam Mesenbrink

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> Is the pain similar to that known as " side-stich " often

> encountered by runners? This is caused by vigorous exercise that

> stretches the

> ligaments that attach the liver to your diaphragm:

>

> http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1611.html

>

> I used to be a long-distance runner, and so I can relate to this.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Dave

> (father of (19); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03)

Similar but higher and more to the back. Also it can be MUCH worse

than a runners cramp. I've actually passed out from the pain once.

I was up and could not get comfortable no matter what I did, sit,

stand, lay down... I went back to the bedroom to have my wife take

me to the hospital and blacked out. Needless to say I was admitted,

given pain killers and IV antibiotics.

I am sure it is stress related (for me anyway). I've got a

perscription to Vidoden for the pain and Cipro because, as stated in

another post, the pain seems to be caused by an infection. I have

also experienced this pain after drinking alcohol, 1 beer on New

Years Eve got me a 4 day stay at the hospital.

I wish I could tell you more but when it hits it just there, there

are not any warning signs, and although the pain goes away it seems

to take my body a couple weeks to recover fully each time it happens.

Hope that helps

Adam Mesenbrink

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Dear Jarad,

I've had this kind of pain for years. It is usually caused by one of

two things- passing a stone or a cholangitis attack. Either one is

extremely painful. I also get the temporary shooting type pain after

I've eaten sometimes. Not sure what causes that. I'm wondering if

maybe I'm more infected than I've thought previously. I've been on

antibiotics for what seems like forever, but I continue to have pain

regularly. Maybe when I see a doc again, I'll remember to ask if you

can have cholangitis without a fever. My hep has usually used the

fever as the benchmark for whether to add more antibiotics to my

treatment or not. Thanks for asking the question. It has been great

to see everyone else's responses to this one!

Oh, I forgot to mention, when I get stressed, I put all my troubles

into my liver. I actually have to do something like meditation to

keep myself from squeezing my liver when I'm upset. Sometimes, my

pain starts this way, and then hangs around for a day or two even

after I think I'm relaxed again...I know, I'm strange! :-)

Deb in VA

AIH 1997, PSC 1998, UC 1999, Listed Ltx 2001, MELD 19 (??? waiting on

labs to come back!)

>

> Hello everyone,

>

>

> I think its getting better, but I'm going to get checked out soon,

> but it bugs me out because I've never experienced this before.

Could

> anyone else relate and let me know other things to watch, etc.

> > Thanks so much for your help.

> Please email me at llamastylinman@h... or jarad@b...

>

> Jarad

> 24 yr old male

> dx psc 1996

> dx uc 1999

> j-pouch 2002/3

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Deb

You can have a cholangitis attack without a fever - this is caused by a blockage and antibiotics are not necessary.(This is a quote from Aubrey.)

Ascending cholangitis attacks are caused from an infection and that is when you have a fever and antibiotics are necessary.

Leona

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