Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Beats me... just copy & paste it into an e-mail message. Also, when it has been completed, please be sure to send it to me so I can post it on the Deprogramming site. Apple " tommy perkins " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=12724 > I attempted to forward, from the 12-step-free archives, the below > former post of mine to an outside non-list member. The only section > that was forwarded was the section above the dotted line. Anyone know > why? > > /group/12-step-free/10159.html? > > Tommy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Hi Kayleigh. I think the reasons are similiar to those Henry Ford had when he supported the Prohibition. If the workers didn't drink, they would be more productive, and they would have more money left to buy a car. I think the increased focus on drugs is a result of capitalist competition. And in this context moralists are useful idiots. Just my conclusion. Bjørn Kayleigh S wrote: Why do EAP's seem to think it's their mission to find a drug or alcohol problem every time someone comes to them? Maybe I'm naive, but I thought they were supposed to help employees with any kind of problem, debt counselling, what have you. How did this drug/alcohol thing get so institutionalized? eGroups.com Home: /group/12-step-free www. - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Sure wasn't. " pete watts " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=14168 > Hi Kayleigh > > My understanding is that EAP's actually *started* thru AA 12-step work > in companies, and only later expanded to include other things. Once on > addict-l I asked why EAP's were so program biased and a grouper there > thought my quaton was ridiculous! To her the idea that EAP's not be > AA-based was like priests not being Christians! > > Now I hope it wasnt you that said that on addict-l. > > P. > > " kayleigh s " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=141 36 > > Why do EAP's seem to think it's their mission to find a drug or > alcohol > > problem every time someone comes to them? Maybe I'm naive, but I > > thought they were supposed to help employees with any kind of problem, > > debt counselling, what have you. How did this drug/alcohol thing get > > so institutionalized? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Sure. I went to the EAP a couple of times for depression and they referred me to regular therapists. -- Jim " judith stillwater " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=14164 > I'd like to pose a supplemental question: has anyone ever had firsthand > (or even secondhand) experience of getting assistance from an EAP that > was NOT 12 step oriented? > > Judith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 " kayleigh s " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=14136 > Why do EAP's seem to think it's their mission to find a drug or alcohol > problem every time someone comes to them? Maybe I'm naive, but I > thought they were supposed to help employees with any kind of problem, > debt counselling, what have you. How did this drug/alcohol thing get > so institutionalized? > ----------------------- It depends on the power structure, and where their bread and butter is coming from. If an EAP is paid halfies by management and halfies by a union or other employee organization, it will be more likely to be true to the " mission " of EAP's espoused by the Employee Assistance Professionals Association: to assist employees with any problem which may be affecting job performance. OTOH, an EAP paid entirely by management will likely be corrupted by this, and less likely to be objective and responsive to the employee's needs and concerns. In the most extreme cases (such as the EAP in my railroad company) the EAP is endowed by management with disciplinary powers, and is literally paid by management to find (or create) " problems " , and then threaten employees with monetary disciplinary action if they don't " respond to counseling " the way the EAP counselors think they " ought " to. Our rulebook and labor contract actually state that employees are forbidden from seeing the EAP voluntarily; we are only sent to the EAP by disciplinary mandate following a " positive " drug/alcohol test. We are then forbidden from discussing any real issues, and required to fulfill the counselors' fantasies. Substance abuse problems resulting in job performance difficulties were the original reason for forming EAP's, and still the most common reason for voluntarily seeking out their assistance. But when the resources are too limited, and/or the power structure is all wrong, the EAP becomes myopic, and will simply rubber-stamp everyone as " alcoholic " or " drug addict " and give so-called " counseling " that is nothing more than " How many meetings did you go to this week? " and quizzes on Step ideology. I've heard that there are some really progressive, genuinely caring EAP's out there somewhere in some private companies, but I've never known anyone who worked for such a firm. ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 Rita: What perks did your union get for the trade-offs it evidently made to management regarding the EAP? Your EAP is by far the least enlightened and least intelligent of any I've heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2000 Report Share Posted August 12, 2000 The problem is not the thirst but the size of the sips. I am only 11 days post-op and I still have a hard time remembering to take small sips. Russ 304/274/175 open rny 08/01/00 Dr. S. Randall LMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2000 Report Share Posted August 12, 2000 Immediately after surgery...(in the hospital) they will let you have dampened glycerine swabs to keep your mouth moist. Then you'll graduate to ice chips. After coming home the very last thing on earth I wanted to do was drink. Water tasted terrible to me for awhile, and because you *must* have an adequate fluid intake I was sipping something almost constantly. So no, in my experience, thirst hasn't been an issue. Marcia wrote: As I sit here drinking glass # 7 of, my usual 8 glasses of water a day, I can not help but wonder ... since I will not have the capacity to drink so much after surgery (immediately after) don't you get thirsty ?Marciasurgery date 9-28-00Dr Thayermomcat@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2000 Report Share Posted August 13, 2000 Not any more than usual and I can still drink alot. I just sip sip sip all day Lyssa -----Original Message-----From: Marcia Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:21 PMTo: OSSG-NewEnglandegroupsSubject: question As I sit here drinking glass # 7 of, my usual 8 glasses of water a day, I can not help but wonder ... since I will not have the capacity to drink so much after surgery (immediately after) don't you get thirsty ? Marcia surgery date 9-28-00 Dr Thayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 I was wondering can they determine if you have accreta from a 3-D sonogram? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Jane, It is so funny that you mentioned this question, as I was wondering the same thing. I had an HSG test yesterday, and reviewed the films with my RE. This picture was done after 4 hysteroscopies since February, so keep that in mind. Anyway, the cavity itself was bigger than when this whole AS thing started, so that was good. Instead of the perfect triangular shape, it was distorted. It looked kind of long and skinny, like a river on a map, but there were 2 corners or " angles " at the top, where the " triangle " part shows. Another reason why we are seeing Dr. Valle on November 2nd, just sorry it took 4 surgeries to wake us up. Hope that helps. I too, am interested in what others have to say. Carol Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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