Candida

[Guest guest]

Joanie,

I empathize with you because I have been tested and have systemic candida and

have all kinds of symptons (swelling, arms. legs, stomach, eye, etc.)

Friday I am going to try IV hydrogen peroxide. I will let you know if it

seems to help.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Dear Joanie,

Grapefruit extract is very helpful, as is Swedish bitters and colloidal

silver. Unfortunately, if you have candida overgrowth very badly,

cutting down on sugar won't do it - you need to take no sugar at all, no

cakes, biscuits, sugary foods - as candida grows on sugar.

Chris.

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 Nad4735@... wrote:

>

> I have a question for anyone who can answer it.I've been on the ap for 3

> years now.I've had my ups and downs.Right now I'm in a down time.I have

> swelling around my eyes which worries me and I'm seeing my doctor tomorrow

> for it.I travel 2 hours to see Dr Whitman.I emailed him with my worries and

> he told me what blood work to have done locally.He's looking at my thyroid

> profile and my kidney function.I have oral thrush and many systemic symptoms

> of candida.I'm on acidophilus, have limited my sugar and carbs intake, drink

> lots of water, avoid dairies.I've already been on diflucan with no

> response.I've tried nystatin with temporary response.I tried olive leaf

> extract with not much of a response.I have this salesman emailing me about

> colloidal silver for candida.Has anyone ever tried it? I eat lots of plain

> yogurt.I'm just at my witts end and need some suggestions.Thanks in advance.

>

> Joanie

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

With Charlie it was definitely a sign of yeast /candida rather than

his gluten intolerance ....that would be my guess with your daughter -

especially if it is itchy . It may be wise to give her a little time

gluten and dairy free before you try and address the yeast as

withdrawal is uncomfortable and die off is too - you don't want to

put her through both at once . ( I have gone gluten and dairy free

myself as we decided to all do it and keep g & C out of the house -

headaches , tired , etc for two weekds then VERY energised, better

skin and lost two stone without looking !!).

Once she is fairly settled on gfcf ( couple of months ) add a pro-

biotic ( Kirkmans or Culturelle ) ...you may see die off then at

which point you can start thinking/researching about what anti-

funagal you wish to use . Yeasyt treatment requires low sugar low

yeast diet to treat so this is also not good until gfcf is

established - you don't want to cut her diet further ! But try to NOT

do what I DID and add loads of cakes and biscuits into her diet once

I'd mastered a few decent recepies - it will make it harder to cut

down later !

Let me know if you need any more ( there are some good candida

treatment books such as a White's handbook which can give you

lots of info )

> Deborah,

>

> So the little red circle around the anus was a symptom of Candida?

My daughter has that and it seems to itch just a bit. I looked on

the net and saw some serious pictures of yeast infections. Since we

just started the gluten free is this a sign of things dying off or is

this something that should be treated or will it correct itself?

Myra is not autistic at all, but I think she must have some kind of

leaky gut syndrome since she is responding so well to the GFCF diet.

It is so cool all her many therapist and teachers are just so proud

of her accomplishments. Today during speech therapy she was imitation

sounds and the therapist is now suggesting possible apraxic

characteristics.

>

> Thanks for your comments.

> Deirdre

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to know the answer to your question also, because my

child has bad breath even after brushing.

angiefairreed

> Is bad breath a sign of excess candida?

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it is necessarily an illness that causes candida but the body's

allowance for it's growth to go unchecked. Most of our kids have it because

they have taken too many antibiotics. When you take them they kill off all

bacteria types and this allows yeast to grow uncontrollably.

To control it and get your body back in balance you should keep sugar intake

to a minimum. This means both the bad sugars like in candy as well as processed

white bread and flours. Taking supplements that get rid of excess yeast are

helpful like Candex, No Fenol, GSE and oil of oregano. Also taking good

probiotics to reintroduce the good bacteria that was killed by antibiotics and

help keep the yeast under control.

Good luck, I know though that when I was on a literally no sugar diet it

killed me at first and then I started feeling so much better. Clear headed and

more energy. When I would have a sugar craving I would take some GSE and that

helped pretty quickly. I have since fallen off the wagon but am going to go

back to that soon.

" (=^.^=) meow " <janey@...> wrote:

hi, i've been on the boards befor. i'm boarder line mercury toxic

according to my hair analysis. i have candida, i was wondering what

other illness can cause candida?

any thoughts-

janey

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Janey,

diet plays a role...

S S

hi, i've been on the boards befor. i'm boarder line mercury toxic <BR>

according to my hair analysis. i have candida, i was wondering what <BR>

other illness can cause candida?<BR>

any thoughts-<BR>

janey<BR>

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Hi Danny, Here is a link I just found that may help.... http://www.mamashealth.com/stds/thrush.asp Always Ur Friend, Crystal "Danny (UK)" <dandylion@...> wrote: I'll have to look into this candida thing a bit further.Can candida in the mouth be a sign of a deeper infection.My GP only prescribed me some lozenges and told me to come back if it didn't clear

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[Guest guest]

I don't know if it per say concentrates on certain areas, but it does

infest the body and release toxins that can cause symptoms in other

areas. It gets into the gut/digestive system, the reproductive system,

skin, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, brain..so why not knees! You can get

yeast rashes on the skin.

there are numerous reasons for candida. Metal toxicity, diet, too much

antibiotics (which usually follow surgery and might explain your onset

of candida), birth control pills, high sugar diets or starch diets,

etc. etc. Read the book called The Yeast Connection.

What other stuff would you be referring too? Diflucan is an antifungal

and can be used with other medications and vitamins and minerals. It

can be harder on the liver, but for short term use, is probably fine.

Pimpels and fluid excretion could be yeast, or many things.

Using the diflucan would alleviate those symptoms of they are from

yeast.

>

> CAn candida toxins accumulate in certain areas of body, like knees?

> Can you take diflucan and natural remedies, like gse and caprylic?

> how long should one stay on diflucan?

> My aribonise is 3x the normal on my oat. I had surgery a few months

> ago with nitrous oxide, which made my candida worse.Now it seems like

> all the toxins have accumutlated on my knees, where there is burning

> and heat, and pain, and spreads to my body.

> I am detoxing, I have large new pimples on my back, I excrete fluid

> from my nose, ears, private parts....

> Can the toxins accumulate on a body part.?

> Can I take diflucan with other stuff?

> Jenin

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > CAn candida toxins accumulate in certain areas of body, like knees?

> > Can you take diflucan and natural remedies, like gse and caprylic?

> > how long should one stay on diflucan?

> > My aribonise is 3x the normal on my oat. I had surgery a few months

> > ago with nitrous oxide, which made my candida worse.Now it seems like

> > all the toxins have accumutlated on my knees, where there is burning

> > and heat, and pain, and spreads to my body.

> > I am detoxing, I have large new pimples on my back, I excrete fluid

> > from my nose, ears, private parts....

> > Can the toxins accumulate on a body part.?

> > Can I take diflucan with other stuff?

> > Jenin

> >

>

I read on the web it affects the nerves. I have tingling, muscle

spasms, burning pain, I feel a wet sensation seeping down my knees and

then my body. I book b12 injections, even though I don't need it, and

sometimes the symptoms disappear, and then come back. I am now on

diflucan, we need to eradicate the yeast. B12 will not eradicate the

yeast, right?

jenin

[Guest guest]

> I read on the web it affects the nerves. I have tingling, muscle

> spasms, burning pain, I feel a wet sensation seeping down my knees and

> then my body. I book b12 injections, even though I don't need it, and

> sometimes the symptoms disappear, and then come back. I am now on

> diflucan, we need to eradicate the yeast. B12 will not eradicate the

> yeast, right?

At my house, B12 *caused* yeast for the first few months we used it.

After that time, it didn't, but while we were still seriously

deficient, it sure did.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > I read on the web it affects the nerves. I have tingling, muscle

> > spasms, burning pain, I feel a wet sensation seeping down my knees and

> > then my body. I book b12 injections, even though I don't need it, and

> > sometimes the symptoms disappear, and then come back. I am now on

> > diflucan, we need to eradicate the yeast. B12 will not eradicate the

> > yeast, right?

>

>

> At my house, B12 *caused* yeast for the first few months we used it.

> After that time, it didn't, but while we were still seriously

> deficient, it sure did.

>

> Dana

>DANA,

My mma on my urine and blood are normal. My homocycstien is normal, so

I am not b12 deficient.

I do have yeast and oxalates. I am extrecting toxins from my body, I

smell it. could this be the yeast? Can you help me on this. What supps

to take, what to avoid, etc..

[Guest guest]

> >DANA,

> My mma on my urine and blood are normal. My homocycstien is normal, so

> I am not b12 deficient.

> I do have yeast and oxalates. I am extrecting toxins from my body, I

> smell it. could this be the yeast? Can you help me on this. What supps

> to take, what to avoid, etc..

I don't really understand your question, otherwise I would try to help.

You indicate you have yeast issues, which can be caused by a LOT of

things. Are you trying to focus on the yeast? If so, try ideas here

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

What worked best at my house was biotin, Candidase, and GSE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > >DANA,

> > My mma on my urine and blood are normal. My homocycstien is normal, so

> > I am not b12 deficient.

> > I do have yeast and oxalates. I am extrecting toxins from my body, I

> > smell it. could this be the yeast? Can you help me on this. What supps

> > to take, what to avoid, etc..

>

>

> I don't really understand your question, otherwise I would try to help.

>

> You indicate you have yeast issues, which can be caused by a LOT of

> things. Are you trying to focus on the yeast? If so, try ideas here

>

> http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

> What worked best at my house was biotin, Candidase, and GSE.

>

> Dana

>

I am not autistic, and I have high aribonise in my urine.

my symptoms are burning in body (started at knees), tingling, muscle

spams. Could this be due to the yeast toxins? I have large pimples on

my back.

jenin

[Guest guest]

My daughter had something similar to it....I think...by the sound of

it..but also had spots with blisters....and I did too...mine would

get thick and scaley and shed...but never go away...hers did the

same. For us it was a combination of Candidia and gluten. If they

are not going away...you might try removing gluten from your diet for

several months... Also the other thing that helped was to keep it

very very moisturized.

hth

Ronni >

> Hi to all,

>

> I am dealing with a diagnosed Candida Albicans problem using

Threelac and

> associated probiotics.

>

> Having said that, I do not have oral or vaginal thrush, so have no

way of

> knowing how I would see a reduction in thrush.

>

> I have read of red spots, red anus rings etc. I have none of

those. What I

> do have is bright red spots under the palms of my hands that have

not gone

> away since they first appeared nearly 7 years ago. Is that Candida

> Albicans?

>

> This is a very expensive treatment, so, can someone tell me what I

am

> looking for reductions in, or, great, improvements in.

>

> Thanks,

> Sylvia

>

> Sylvia ,

> Gladstone...Qld..Aust...4680

>

[Guest guest]

No one can say for sure if your symptoms are directly yeast or not.

And you are detoxing from mercury, then treating the candida would

only help things. If you are referring to smelling toxins being

excreted as in foul sweat, this would be metals. This is typical

following amalgam removal. But not for yeast issues. Yeast can cause

rashes though, I have seen that underarm or on the groin in my kids.

It does cause peeling skin in places like under the arms. As for

acne...that can be many things, including toxins in the body.

The symptoms you describe are not charactaristic for yeast, but

treating it anyway would only help you improve. Not sure what the

aribinose in your urine means.

I have had acne off and on for years, and this is related to the

hormone imbalance I have as a result of being mercury toxic. I can

say that I do see breakouts happen following a round of chelation,

which is when I am dumping more metals, so it might stand fair to

say that the acne could be a result of the toxins your body is

handling.

> > > >DANA,

> > > My mma on my urine and blood are normal. My homocycstien is

normal, so

> > > I am not b12 deficient.

> > > I do have yeast and oxalates. I am extrecting toxins from my

body, I

> > > smell it. could this be the yeast? Can you help me on this.

What supps

> > > to take, what to avoid, etc..

> >

> >

> > I don't really understand your question, otherwise I would try

to help.

> >

> > You indicate you have yeast issues, which can be caused by a LOT

of

> > things. Are you trying to focus on the yeast? If so, try ideas

here

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> >

> > What worked best at my house was biotin, Candidase, and GSE.

> >

> > Dana

> >

> I am not autistic, and I have high aribonise in my urine.

> my symptoms are burning in body (started at knees), tingling,

muscle

> spams. Could this be due to the yeast toxins? I have large pimples

on

> my back.

> jenin

>

[Guest guest]

> I am not autistic, and I have high aribonise in my urine.

> my symptoms are burning in body (started at knees), tingling, muscle

> spams. Could this be due to the yeast toxins? I have large pimples on

> my back.

The pimples on the back, at my house, meant food intolerance, yeast

overgrowth, or viral detox. Are you taking anti-virals? That can

cause joint pain as well as pimples/rash.

Muscle spams can be a lot of things. Are there any specific muscles

involved? It does remind me a little of when I was mineral deficient.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Ronni said

My daughter had something similar to it....I think...by the sound of

it..but also had spots with blisters....and I did too...mine would

get thick and scaley and shed...but never go away...hers did the

same. For us it was a combination of Candidia and gluten. If they

are not going away...you might try removing gluten from your diet for

several months... Also the other thing that helped was to keep it

very very moisturized.

hth

Ronni >

>

.

Thanks for this. I do have diagnosed Coeliac's disease and many other

food/chemical intolerances/allergies as diagnosed by cytoxic testing. So I was

looking for what to expect from this treatment. So far, I have developed

constipation.

Regards,

Sylvia

[Guest guest]

Several of Developed that issue...We used magnesium and Vit C to take

care of that....

Candidia is often the cause of celiac....and usually heavy metals and

antibiotics are usually the culprits that causes the candida to flare

and go crazy.

Have you had your hair tested for heavy metals. We did and we were

amazed. In the fair test if you read Andy Cutler's book you can

find all sorts of hints and helps....you can find out if your thyroid

is off and needs to be checked....if your adrenals are an issue and

so much more. That was our starting place.

What we found was getting the gluten out was a starting point. We

also had our allergies tested...and they were considerable. When we

removed them and addressed our allergens we were better able to

figure out where to go. For us it was supplementing and

chelation. I can't say that everything is just fine and our diet is

back to normal as it isn't....but we are adapting and learning and

slowly getting better....

Once we got our hair test...we were able to see what issues needed to

be addressed. For example my high copper levels...and my adrenals and

thyroid. All of these things for me cause my gut issues to more of a

problem.

The other thing we are doing is doing a lot of Weston Price type

intervention...albeit we are doing it GF/CF...esp good is the bone

broth...very norishing and healing...

Despite what docs tell you...celiac isn't a simple issue....I don't

have so many issues...and neither do the kids....life is better...in

that respect...but it is a trade off....lol.....now we have to

swallow a zillion pills.. Hoping this makes sense...just finishing

up round 29 of ALA chelation via Andy's protocol. I am not chelating

myself at this point because of my high copper levels....but my kids

are improving.

Best wishes for you....I hope you find your answers soon.

>

> Ronni said

>

>

>

>

>

> My daughter had something similar to it....I think...by the sound

of

> it..but also had spots with blisters....and I did too...mine

would

> get thick and scaley and shed...but never go away...hers did the

> same. For us it was a combination of Candidia and gluten. If they

> are not going away...you might try removing gluten from your diet

for

> several months... Also the other thing that helped was to keep it

> very very moisturized.

> hth

> Ronni >

> >

> .

> Thanks for this. I do have diagnosed Coeliac's disease and many

other food/chemical intolerances/allergies as diagnosed by cytoxic

testing. So I was looking for what to expect from this treatment.

So far, I have developed constipation.

>

> Regards,

> Sylvia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Several of Developed that issue...We used magnesium and Vit C to take

> care of that....

> Candidia is often the cause of celiac....and usually heavy metals and

> antibiotics are usually the culprits that causes the candida to flare

> and go crazy.

Hi,

I don't mean to be picky about the above comment about the cause of

Celiac -I'm not trying to be contentious. I'm just wondering where you

got the information that Candida is often the cause of celiac?

Celiac has a genetic component to it. They don't know what the trigger

is for someone who is gluten intolerant and then becomes Celiac (when

it becomes activated and begins detroying intestinal vili). They

theorize that eating a diet high in gluten foods, a virus, and stress

among other things might trigger it, but I don't think they really know

for sure. I guess if you have Candida overgrowth and the immune system

is out of whack that could be a trigger. For some women it is after

giving birth. There's just not a lot known for sure yet about it, but

I have never read that Candida is " often " the cause of it. However,

Dr. Fine of Enterolab states (I think I have this accurate)

that 75 & of people who are gluten intolerant are yeast intolerant as

well - according to his testing.

If anyone is Celiac or wants to know morem, a great site (and one from

which you can get some GF recipes) is celiac.com

Debbie

[Guest guest]

> > Several of Developed that issue...We used magnesium and Vit C to

take

> > care of that....

> > Candidia is often the cause of celiac....and usually heavy metals

and

> > antibiotics are usually the culprits that causes the candida to

flare

> > and go crazy.

>

> Hi,

> I don't mean to be picky about the above comment about the cause of

> Celiac -I'm not trying to be contentious. I'm just wondering where

you

> got the information that Candida is often the cause of celiac?

Didn't figure you were (smile) How else do we learn or change or know

when to stand firm except by asking and questioning.

Candida is a very malicous thing. Especially if is there in a long

term situation such as antibiotics and metals...the combo is really a

one-two punch to the gut. Candida can attack the body all over the

place. If it gets into the gut it can attack the villa and actually

chew holes in it and (flatten....I kinda liken it to a big bruiser of

a bully beatin up on a sick kid...the antibiotics or metals do the

first job and the Candida finishes)the lining...which can cause the

leaky gut syndrome...ie Celiac.

I believe has info on her site, Enzymestuff.com and I have seen

it on a lot of other sites, also.

>

> Celiac has a genetic component to it.

I don't disagree that there can be a genetic issue to it. Just as

autism can have a genetic aspect...but often...it is not the case.

They don't know what the trigger

> is for someone who is gluten intolerant and then becomes Celiac

(when

> it becomes activated and begins detroying intestinal vili). They

> theorize that eating a diet high in gluten foods, a virus, and

stress

> among other things might trigger it, but I don't think they really

know

> for sure. I guess if you have Candida overgrowth and the immune

system

> is out of whack that could be a trigger. For some women it is

after

> giving birth. There's just not a lot known for sure yet about it,

but

> I have never read that Candida is " often " the cause of it.

However,

> Dr. Fine of Enterolab states (I think I have this accurate)

> that 75 & of people who are gluten intolerant are yeast intolerant

as

> well - according to his testing.

>

> If anyone is Celiac or wants to know morem, a great site (and one

from

> which you can get some GF recipes) is celiac.com

Yes it is a great site!! I agree....I use it too...great goodies

there!!

[Guest guest]

For anyone who is interested in more information about celiac, the

genetic basis for it, and whether Candida plays any part,

DeFelice has some good information on enzymestuff.com This was

interesting reading about whether the carbohydrate or protein is really

the issue and what role enzymes might play (at a later date after MUCH

more testing).

http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionceliac.htm

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Beth,

The spit test is not "scientific", but if you do it frequently, you'll find it tracks very well with how well you follow your diet, treat fungal issues and take probiotics. If you pass, the water will be clear. . . You didn't.

Managing fungal issues is a three part process. . . unless you manage it at all three levels, you'll continue to struggle.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Beth,

The spit test is not "scientific", but if you do it frequently, you'll find it tracks very well with how well you follow your diet, treat fungal issues and take probiotics. If you pass, the water will be clear. . . You didn't.

Managing fungal issues is a three part process. . . unless you manage it at all three levels, you'll continue to struggle.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

can you explain what you mean about the three part series for fungal?? I;m very intrested.

Thnaks,

Stacie

From: saxony01@...Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:43:39 -0800Subject: Re: Candida

Beth,

The spit test is not "scientific", but if you do it frequently, you'll find it tracks very well with how well you follow your diet, treat fungal issues and take probiotics. If you pass, the water will be clear. . . You didn't.

Managing fungal issues is a three part process. . . unless you manage it at all three levels, you'll continue to struggle.

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Stacie,

There's three parts to getting fungal issues under control.

1) A diet that discourages fungal organisms - i.e. no sugar or refined grains

2) Supplements or medication to get rid of fungus

3) Probiotics to put healthy organisms back in the body . . .

If you don't do ALL three parts, you won't be successful. . . And, after taking antifungals, diet and probiotics must be consistent and ongoing.

Eventually these organisms should be able to keep fungal organisms under control with minimal assistance. It will probably be necessary to take a probiotic, or eat a food with probiotics effects, daily for the rest of ones life because some of the beneficial organisms killed off can never be replaced.

Hugs,

Rogene