Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 We have our license/permit at our EMS station location for DPS, and DEA. We do this since they advised us years ago we had to have it where we store the drugs. I'm talking about replacement drugs, and not what's on the vehicle. If you don't have it then your dealing with a possible federal charge. If your a government service the cost is a couple of dollars, if your private it will cost a couple of hundred per storage site. I'm sure BEM is probably who you should consult with since they regulate EMS. Ron Help with narcotics Hello. I need some help from the experts. We will begin carrying morphine valium in the near future. What do we need to do other than protocols and medical director prescriptions before we place these medications on the ambulance. Are there any special permits we need? Anything from the DEA or DPS? Thanks for your help Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Give yourself plenty of time, the DPS cert can be walked in and out in Austin if needed, but the DEA is a " process " by itself. Your Medical Director will be more familiar with geting a new DEA number for the EMS agents. Have fun, geting the paperwork in line. It is just the begining of the fun! Help with narcotics > Hello. I need some help from the experts. We will begin carrying > morphine valium in the near future. What do we need to do other than > protocols and medical director prescriptions before we place these > medications on the ambulance. Are there any special permits we > need? Anything from the DEA or DPS? > > Thanks for your help > Nick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 There is a lot that you will need to do. DEA and DPS licenses are needed. Triplicate order forms are needed. Secure storage areas and on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Check with TDH, i am pretty sure the narcotics must also be kept locked up on the truck as well. You can also put copies of your permits on the truck. Deena _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 In a message dated 1/1/2002 01:17:11 Central Standard Time, ncbailey2000@... writes: > What do we need to do other than > protocols and medical director prescriptions before we place these > medications on the ambulance. Are there any special permits we > need? Anything from the DEA or DPS? > Nick: First of all, congrats on upgrading to carry these medications. These are both important medications in the practice of out-of-hospital medicine. There are a couple of things you will need to do. 1. You need a permit from the DEA. I *think* you have to do this one first, before you get the DPS permit (if I remember correctly, the DPS application requires the DEA number). Call your local DEA office for help with this. 2. Get the DPS permit. Again, call your local DPS office for help. Both of these permits have VERY specific requirements regarding how the permit is identified. They now both require that the permit be in the M.D.'s name, with the service name immediately below his/hers. Even though your MD has DEA and DPS permits already, you MUST have seperate permits for the EMS operation(s). 3. Write a policy as to how you will order, purchase, store, distribute and track these medications. You will need this in case either DEA or DPS audits you (I've been audited a couple of times....it aint fun. A real, written procedure is a must). 4. Figure out how you're gonna secure the meds. The rules are actually different for Valium than for Morphine (different " schedules " ....morphine is a bigger deal). Put briefly, Valium must be " secured " and tracked, but not neccessarily triple-locked. Morphine must generally either be triple-locked or carried on the paramedic's person at all times. Many services treat these two meds the same for simplicity's sake, which is not a bad approach. Hope that helps you some. Feel free to email me directly if you want some specific answers. Good luck, , BS, LP Director of Prehospital Services and White Hospital 2401 South 31st Street Temple, Texas 76508 voice fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 In a message dated 1/1/2002 01:17:11 Central Standard Time, ncbailey2000@... writes: > What do we need to do other than > protocols and medical director prescriptions before we place these > medications on the ambulance. Are there any special permits we > need? Anything from the DEA or DPS? > Nick: First of all, congrats on upgrading to carry these medications. These are both important medications in the practice of out-of-hospital medicine. There are a couple of things you will need to do. 1. You need a permit from the DEA. I *think* you have to do this one first, before you get the DPS permit (if I remember correctly, the DPS application requires the DEA number). Call your local DEA office for help with this. 2. Get the DPS permit. Again, call your local DPS office for help. Both of these permits have VERY specific requirements regarding how the permit is identified. They now both require that the permit be in the M.D.'s name, with the service name immediately below his/hers. Even though your MD has DEA and DPS permits already, you MUST have seperate permits for the EMS operation(s). 3. Write a policy as to how you will order, purchase, store, distribute and track these medications. You will need this in case either DEA or DPS audits you (I've been audited a couple of times....it aint fun. A real, written procedure is a must). 4. Figure out how you're gonna secure the meds. The rules are actually different for Valium than for Morphine (different " schedules " ....morphine is a bigger deal). Put briefly, Valium must be " secured " and tracked, but not neccessarily triple-locked. Morphine must generally either be triple-locked or carried on the paramedic's person at all times. Many services treat these two meds the same for simplicity's sake, which is not a bad approach. Hope that helps you some. Feel free to email me directly if you want some specific answers. Good luck, , BS, LP Director of Prehospital Services and White Hospital 2401 South 31st Street Temple, Texas 76508 voice fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Nick; Just to be on the safe side I would highly recommend that you also carry Narcan and romazicon on the wagon. These medications will reverse the effects of morphine or valium if you need to do so. It would just really suck to be out there with a 30 minute eta from the hospital and have your patient slide into respiratory depression. Peace Donnie <>< --- ncbailey2000 wrote: > Hello. I need some help from the experts. We will > begin carrying > morphine valium in the near future. What do we need > to do other than > protocols and medical director prescriptions before > we place these > medications on the ambulance. Are there any special > permits we > need? Anything from the DEA or DPS? > > Thanks for your help > Nick > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Dear Nick; Just to be on the safe side I would highly recommend that you also carry Narcan and romazicon on the wagon. These medications will reverse the effects of morphine or valium if you need to do so. It would just really suck to be out there with a 30 minute eta from the hospital and have your patient slide into respiratory depression. Peace Donnie <>< --- ncbailey2000 wrote: > Hello. I need some help from the experts. We will > begin carrying > morphine valium in the near future. What do we need > to do other than > protocols and medical director prescriptions before > we place these > medications on the ambulance. Are there any special > permits we > need? Anything from the DEA or DPS? > > Thanks for your help > Nick > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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