Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 on Sat, 1 Nov 2003 at 14:08:51, friday11uk wrote : >Results? Well I managed 36 hours with a NSR and then went from >ectopics, to a fast rate and into afib for some 18 hours. This has >now cleared itself and I am in NSR (checks pulse again!) yes...NSR. >The Cardiologist has said this is relatively normal and I have hopes >that the second treatment has done the trick. Bob, I am sure all of us who have also had successful ablations wish you all the best. What you described seems to be quite normal - I think it is becoming sensible to think of ablation as unlikely to be complete in a single-procedure - I think everyone I know who has had a successful one has had 2 or even 3 sessions on the table - but a bonus if you only need one session. >For those contemplating an ablation, it must be one of the more >pleasant medical jobs. Agreed! >The most uncomfortable part was getting a >canular into the back of my hand. On my 2nd one they put it in my upper arm! Much less painful Best of health to all, Vicky London, UK, 1954 model " Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood " - Marie Curie --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Bob, take heart I still get some ectopics after two years but I have remained in NSR> Are you sure your sfib was afib and not a bad run of ectopics. I was informed that the heart goes crazy after an ablation and it take at least 6 months to settle down. Can you expand of where you had your ablation and who done it in London. C UK The first ablation of three pulmonary veins took place in London on the 7th August. Unfortunately without curing afib. I underwent the second ablation on the 29th October.It took a little longer this time, about three and a half hours, and I was certainly more sedated and remember little of the events in the theatre. Afterwards I was told that a couple of the veins had " healed " and were permitting some electrical conductivity. These were ablated again. Additionally the right atrium was " mazed " which was referred to as a simple and quick procedure. Results? Well I managed 36 hours with a NSR and then went from ectopics, to a fast rate and into afib for some 18 hours. This has now cleared itself and I am in NSR (checks pulse again!) yes...NSR. The Cardiologist has said this is relatively normal and I have hopes that the second treatment has done the trick. For those contemplating an ablation, it must be one of the more pleasant medical jobs. The most uncomfortable part was getting a canular into the back of my hand. During the procedure I can remember feeling a little burning sensation for a few seconds in the chest, but not much worse than heart-burn. The following day I felt rather tired and disorientated (probably the valium and pethedine effect) My chest felt a little tender and the two groin entry points a little tender to the touch. But otherwise...feeling great. I will report back over the critical four weeks to come. Bob Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 > Can you expand of where you had your ablation and who done it in London. Thanks for the comments . I had both ablations at the London Bridge Hospital (next to Guy's and St ') by Dr Jaswinder Gill. A brief 15 min run of afib this morning but otherwise, remaining in NSR with the odd ectopic. > > ********************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dear Bob, Congratulations. We hope and pray eveerything works out for you. Who did your ablation? Where was it done? We are always getting people from England who are trying to find someone to do a Pulmonary Vein Ablation procedure. I never know who to refer them to. A-FibFriendSteve Second Ablation The first ablation of three pulmonary veins took place in London on the 7th August. Unfortunately without curing afib. I underwent the second ablation on the 29th October.It took a little longer this time, about three and a half hours, and I was certainly more sedated and remember little of the events in the theatre. Afterwards I was told that a couple of the veins had " healed " and were permitting some electrical conductivity. These were ablated again. Additionally the right atrium was " mazed " which was referred to as a simple and quick procedure. Results? Well I managed 36 hours with a NSR and then went from ectopics, to a fast rate and into afib for some 18 hours. This has now cleared itself and I am in NSR (checks pulse again!) yes...NSR. The Cardiologist has said this is relatively normal and I have hopes that the second treatment has done the trick. For those contemplating an ablation, it must be one of the more pleasant medical jobs. The most uncomfortable part was getting a canular into the back of my hand. During the procedure I can remember feeling a little burning sensation for a few seconds in the chest, but not much worse than heart-burn. The following day I felt rather tired and disorientated (probably the valium and pethedine effect) My chest felt a little tender and the two groin entry points a little tender to the touch. But otherwise...feeling great. I will report back over the critical four weeks to come. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 HI Bob, can we have the name of the Dr and the Hospital you were in. Its seems very difficult for Uk patients to find out who and where to go for help. C Uk > >Dear Bob, > Congratulations. We hope and pray eveerything works out for you. > Who did your ablation? Where was it done? We are always getting people from England who are trying to find someone to do a Pulmonary Vein Ablation procedure. I never know who to refer them to. >A-FibFriendSteve > > Second Ablation > > > The first ablation of three pulmonary veins took place in London on > the 7th August. Unfortunately without curing afib. > I underwent the second ablation on the 29th October.It took a little > longer this time, about three and a half hours, and I was certainly > more sedated and remember little of the events in the theatre. > Afterwards I was told that a couple of the veins had " healed " and > were permitting some electrical conductivity. These were ablated > again. Additionally the right atrium was " mazed " which was referred > to as a simple and quick procedure. > > Results? Well I managed 36 hours with a NSR and then went from > ectopics, to a fast rate and into afib for some 18 hours. This has > now cleared itself and I am in NSR (checks pulse again!) yes...NSR. > The Cardiologist has said this is relatively normal and I have hopes > that the second treatment has done the trick. > > For those contemplating an ablation, it must be one of the more > pleasant medical jobs. The most uncomfortable part was getting a > canular into the back of my hand. During the procedure I can remember > feeling a little burning sensation for a few seconds in the chest, > but not much worse than heart-burn. > > The following day I felt rather tired and disorientated (probably the > valium and pethedine effect) My chest felt a little tender and the > two groin entry points a little tender to the touch. > But otherwise...feeling great. I will report back over the critical > four weeks to come. > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > Codling Hornchurch Essex England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Yes I have heard of this guy, seems to be doing all the right things Good luck and four months is aobut right ot find out if the ablation has worked. C ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:21:09 -0000 > >Subject: Re: Second Ablation >To: AFIBsupport > >- certainly , >I was treated by Dr J.S.Gill at the London Bridge (Bupa were paying). >He normally works at Guy's and ' Hospital for his NHS patients. >He is very conservative in his assessment of what success he can >offer and is a delight to consult with. > >You may have caught my post about a month ago where I saw him again. >He is keeping me on Sotalol and Warfarin until ablation plus four >months to allow my heart to re-model itself. > >Now two months in NSR and counting! > >Bob > > >> HI Bob, can we have the name of the Dr and the Hospital you >> were in. Its seems very difficult for Uk patients to find out >> who and where to go for help. >> >> C Uk > > > >Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport >FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative /faq.htm >For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af >Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe >List owner: AFIBsupport-owner >For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, >send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > >Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 When your in AF for an amout of time or in chronic af you atria changes shape. not by that much but enough to put the electrical signals out of step. When you go back into NSR you heart changes back to the normal shape not excatly depending on how much damge you have done but it changes back into the normal mode. C Uk ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:45:57 -0000 > >Subject: Re: Re: Second Ablation >To: <AFIBsupport > > >Hi Bob > >What happens when the heart re-models itself. > >. > Re: Second Ablation > > > - certainly , > I was treated by Dr J.S.Gill at the London Bridge (Bupa were paying). > He normally works at Guy's and ' Hospital for his NHS patients. > He is very conservative in his assessment of what success he can > offer and is a delight to consult with. > > You may have caught my post about a month ago where I saw him again. > He is keeping me on Sotalol and Warfarin until ablation plus four > months to allow my heart to re-model itself. > > Now two months in NSR and counting! > > Bob > > > > HI Bob, can we have the name of the Dr and the Hospital you > > were in. Its seems very difficult for Uk patients to find out > > who and where to go for help. > > > > C Uk > > > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport > FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative /faq.htm > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hi Bob The way I understand it , is the heart changes shape..whether this is good or bad is unclear but as I`m in permanent af I would like to think that the chances of returning to NSR would be better if the old ticker stayed the same shape. I`m sure someone out there can clarify this question Re: Second Ablation , I guess that the heart will then be more likely to remain in NSR as it will recognise that as being the norm. Bob > Hi Bob > > What happens when the heart re-models itself. > > . Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hi Bob. yep you are right the longer you are in Afib the more it changes shape.. This is called remodelling. Now for some patients this is fine and they feel really well, with the exception of feeling a little short of breath with some minor exercise. Now for those of us that feel unwell , which I estimate is 90 % of the board otherwise they would not be here?( is this assumption correct). The heart changes make the firing of the electrical impulses react in a different manner and does not help with the NSR. Now if you have the AF problems resolved then your heart will not go into Afib but you will find after the PVA or what ever procedure you are having there will be a period of extreme trauma as the heart remodels back to normality. I was told I would regain 30 50 % of normal heart shape. C Uk > Hi Bob > The way I understand it , is the heart changes shape..whether this is good or bad is unclear but as I`m in permanent af I would like to think that the chances of returning to NSR would be better if the old ticker stayed the same shape. > > Codling Hornchurch Essex England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 - You may be right about the 90 percent. But there are at least a few of us -- like in Seattle -- who hang around to be helpful and to keep on learning. Guess Ellen would fall into that category too. I've been in NSR since August and hope (but wouldn't bet a lot on the prospect) to stay that way. But even before the August cardioversion, I was one of those chronic afibbers who was symptom free for the most part. That didn't keep me from wanting to know all I could about what the hell was wrong with me. Of course I was not symptom free when first diagnosed -- scared half to death was more like it. Rate control worked wonders for me. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Dear , Physically the atria enlarge, weaken, and lose their ability to pump well. The heart develops fibrosis. Electrically A-Fib episodes tend to get longer, more frequent, and stronger, eventually tending towards Chronic (all-the-time) A-Fib. But Dr. Pappone's long term studies (three years) indicate that some aspects of remodeling can be reversed after patients are cured by a PVA(I). A-FibFriendSteve Re: Second Ablation - certainly , I was treated by Dr J.S.Gill at the London Bridge (Bupa were paying). He normally works at Guy's and ' Hospital for his NHS patients. He is very conservative in his assessment of what success he can offer and is a delight to consult with. You may have caught my post about a month ago where I saw him again. He is keeping me on Sotalol and Warfarin until ablation plus four months to allow my heart to re-model itself. Now two months in NSR and counting! Bob > HI Bob, can we have the name of the Dr and the Hospital you > were in. Its seems very difficult for Uk patients to find out > who and where to go for help. > > C Uk Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Steve, that doesn't sound very good for people that choose rate control over rhythm control. I thought the AFFIRM trial said there was no difference between either choice? <<atria enlarge, weaken, and lose their ability to pump well. The heart develops fibrosis. Electrically A-Fib episodes tend to get longer, more frequent, and stronger>> that doesn't sound like something I'd go for. P ...................................................................... > Dear , > Physically the atria enlarge, weaken, and lose their ability to pump well. The heart develops fibrosis. Electrically A-Fib episodes tend to get longer, more frequent, and stronger, eventually tending towards Chronic (all-the-time) A-Fib. But Dr. Pappone's long term studies (three years) indicate that some aspects of remodeling can be reversed after patients are cured by a PVA(I). > A-FibFriendSteve > Re: Second Ablation > > > - certainly , > I was treated by Dr J.S.Gill at the London Bridge (Bupa were paying). > He normally works at Guy's and ' Hospital for his NHS patients. > He is very conservative in his assessment of what success he can > offer and is a delight to consult with. > > You may have caught my post about a month ago where I saw him again. > He is keeping me on Sotalol and Warfarin until ablation plus four > months to allow my heart to re-model itself. > > Now two months in NSR and counting! > > Bob > > > > HI Bob, can we have the name of the Dr and the Hospital you > > were in. Its seems very difficult for Uk patients to find out > > who and where to go for help. > > > > C Uk > > > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport > FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 > From: Steve > Date: 1/13/04, 9:27 AM -0500 > > Dear , > Physically the atria enlarge, weaken, and > lose their ability to pump well. [snip] But > Dr. Pappone's long term studies (three years) > indicate that some aspects of remodeling can be > reversed after patients are cured by a PVA(I). > A-FibFriendSteve > Re: Re: Second Ablation > > > Hi Bob > > What happens when the heart re-models itself. Snip - 3915 characters on 125 lines, mostly three footers. How fast do the atria lose their ability to pump well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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