Re: Fwd: U.S. Exporting Spiritual Tyranny (1)

[Guest guest]

This is a disgrace. Why is it that there is so much drinking in the

Navy?

Just curious.

Apple

> >

> >He offered to conduct a weekly AA meeting for us, asking that we

assign

> >individuals to that meeting either as medical referrals or with

alcohol

> >related disciplinary problems. Dick Jewell, in effect, made a

twelfth step

> >call on the Navy....it became obvious that our men and women were

> >benefiting from their enforced AA attendance. "

> >

> >

> >Of course it was " obvious " , because anyone who resisted or even

voiced

> >disapproval would find themselves on the streets, stigmatized, and

> >unemployed, which is precisely where I found myself twenty years

after Cdr.

> >Jewell " 12th stepped the Armed Services. "

> >

> >To be continued.

> >

> >Tommy

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> ______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13017

> This is a disgrace. Why is it that there is so much drinking in the

> Navy?

> Just curious.

> Apple

Uh, because they're sailors, Apple. They're also noted for their

fondness for tattoos, foul language and sexual promiscuity during shore

leave. For further reference, consult " The Odyssey, " " Moby Dick, "

" Sea-Wolf, " " Mister , " " Mutiny on the Bounty " and " Popeye. "

Didn't your mother warn you about those guys?

[Guest guest]

Don't forget my favorite...McHales Navy. Now...let's all gather 'round

for another chorus

of that lovely see chanty- What do ya do with a drunken sailor...What do ya

do with a drunken sailor

What do ya do with a drunken sailor ear liiiii in the mornin ?

>

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: Re: Fwd: U.S. Exporting Spiritual Tyranny (1)

>Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2000, 11:08 AM

>

>appledt-@... wrote:

>original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13017

>> This is a disgrace. Why is it that there is so much drinking in the

>> Navy?

>> Just curious.

>> Apple

>

>Uh, because they're sailors, Apple. They're also noted for their

>fondness for tattoos, foul language and sexual promiscuity during shore

>leave. For further reference, consult " The Odyssey, " " Moby Dick, "

> " Sea-Wolf, " " Mister , " " Mutiny on the Bounty " and " Popeye. "

>Didn't your mother warn you about those guys?

>

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[Guest guest]

I was afraid that question would sound dumb. What I meant was, maybe

if they could meet their emotional needs without imbibing in alcohol,

the alcohol abuse rate would be lower. Do you suppose some inner child

work or guided mediation might do it? Yes, my mother warned me about

" those guys " , as well as those " other guys " . Somehow the implication

was that I was supposed to find a nice husband, while simultaneously

staying away from men.

Who is the Navy authority I can submit my inner child work proposal to?

This may be a good side project.

(wink wink)

Apple

>

> Uh, because they're sailors, Apple. They're also noted for their

> fondness for tattoos, foul language and sexual promiscuity during

shore

> leave. For further reference, consult " The Odyssey, " " Moby Dick, "

> " Sea-Wolf, " " Mister , " " Mutiny on the Bounty " and " Popeye. "

> Didn't your mother warn you about those guys?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi apple

History maybe?

Until well after the war all British sailors received a " rum ration " as

part of their payment. Churchill, when First Sea Lord, declared that

the Navy ran on " Rum, Bum, and Baccy " .

P.

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13017

> This is a disgrace. Why is it that there is so much drinking in the

> Navy?

> Just curious.

> Apple

> > >

> > >He offered to conduct a weekly AA meeting for us, asking that we

> assign

> > >individuals to that meeting either as medical referrals or with

> alcohol

> > >related disciplinary problems. Dick Jewell, in effect, made a

> twelfth step

> > >call on the Navy....it became obvious that our men and women were

> > >benefiting from their enforced AA attendance. "

> > >

> > >

> > >Of course it was " obvious " , because anyone who resisted or even

> voiced

> > >disapproval would find themselves on the streets, stigmatized, and

> > >unemployed, which is precisely where I found myself twenty years

> after Cdr.

> > >Jewell " 12th stepped the Armed Services. "

> > >

> > >To be continued.

> > >

> > >Tommy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe if they could get more screws while at sea they wouldnt need to

drink so much - or if those who are repressed or unrepressed gays could

tell, and screw each other when they had a mind to.

P.

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13031

> I was afraid that question would sound dumb. What I meant was, maybe

> if they could meet their emotional needs without imbibing in alcohol,

> the alcohol abuse rate would be lower. Do you suppose some inner child

> work or guided mediation might do it? Yes, my mother warned me about

> " those guys " , as well as those " other guys " . Somehow the implication

> was that I was supposed to find a nice husband, while simultaneously

> staying away from men.

>

> Who is the Navy authority I can submit my inner child work proposal

to?

> This may be a good side project.

> (wink wink)

> Apple

> >

> > Uh, because they're sailors, Apple. They're also noted for their

> > fondness for tattoos, foul language and sexual promiscuity during

> shore

> > leave. For further reference, consult " The Odyssey, " " Moby Dick, "

> > " Sea-Wolf, " " Mister , " " Mutiny on the Bounty " and " Popeye. "

> > Didn't your mother warn you about those guys?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=13017

> This is a disgrace. Why is it that there is so much drinking in the

> Navy?

> Just curious.

> Apple

> > >

Hi Apple,

Sorry it took me a few days to get back to you on this. I'm

temporarily living in the boonies with no computer and will be limited

for a month or so. I doubt if there is more drinking in the Navy than

in the civilian world, but I do know that AA and treatment have not

stopped alcohol abuse in either place. Probably Saturday I'll post the

second of four parts on the spiritual tyranny thing, and I'll close it

with my own opinions on the matter.

By the way, I finally received my copy of " Resisting 12 Step Coercion "

yesterday and completed my first reading. Congradulations to Chaz on

an outstanding job of chapter three, and to Stanton on a superb expose

of Talbott. It reads like something from a King novel.

Also I should have the " Open Letter " thing ready to go in 2-3 weeks.

Thank you for your suggestions, and thank you for your excellent and

very important web site.

Tommy