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Pat is a HE and is not a doctor. He is very unlikely to answer questions

about himself, which is one BIG reason I have shied away from listening

to him and left that list. What is he hiding?

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A couple of months ago I thought Pat was being very irresponsible with his

advice so I posted a rebuttal, which he refused to allow to post. However, he

privately emailed me a very nasty response. I had recommended a very good

doctor to someone on his list, (someone I know STTM recommends) and Pat kept

criticizing the treatment the doctor undertook and, of course, kept pushing the

person to call Dr. Mark .

On Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 10:02AM, " T "

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>Pat is a HE and is not a doctor. He is very unlikely to answer questions

>about himself, which is one BIG reason I have shied away from listening

>to him and left that list. What is he hiding?

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Pat is a he not a she. No he never will answer that question, it has

been asked a lot of times on different forums

Lynda

Is Pat at HHN a Doctor?

> Hi all,

>

> I know I've seen this question asked here before, but I couldn't

> find it in a search of the messages.

>

> I think I remember Val replied to this once?

>

> Pat has been asked directly by posters at HHN, but I if she has ever

> replied, I missed it ...

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Liz

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I was told on another list that he is Dugan from NYC. Might or

might not be a health care worker there. Don't know. NOT a doctor.

On the other list I am on there were more than a few claims of him

stalking women off line with very forward, creepy emails that were

totally inappropriate. Asked about their female anatomy- use your

imagination. I got off that list after reading some of these things.

Hope everyone who is a member of that list is careful!! Something is

clearly wrong with this guy! Power trip for one, but he also needs to

belittle people who don't kowtow.

-AG

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Thanks everyone,

I TOO have wondered if Pat is/is working for Dr. !

Has anyone here ever used this Dr. and willing to comment on the

experience?

Thanks again!

Liz S.

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" What is he hiding? "

In some states it is illegal to handout medical advice over the internet,

including email, if you are a doctor. To give Pat the benefit of the doubt, do

you think this is a possibility for secrecy?

I have been curious about credentials too...

-Olif

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- You are smart! I never would have thought. But, you may be right. What

a great way to get customers, lol, lol.

T wrote:

Honestly I have wondered before if Pat IS Dr in disguise.

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I've thought about contactin but have been waiting to hear from others on

their experience with him. I don't want to waste another minute with someone who

doesn't know what there doing.

E Silver wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I TOO have wondered if Pat is/is working for Dr. !

Has anyone here ever used this Dr. and willing to comment on the

experience?

Thanks again!

Liz S.

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Lori - Thank you for sending this. I'd like to hear about others who have

consulted with him. I've emailed him once and didn't really care for his answers

to my questions. I had a funny feeling about calling him. - something was

holding me back. Pat knows so much about Dr. but then again, maybe

is paying Pat for referrals? I wonder if asks where you heard about him.

Lori Goldstein wrote:

Here is a link to some interesting info regarding .

http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=5403 & highlight=rhodes

>Thanks everyone,

>

>I TOO have wondered if Pat is/is working for Dr. !

>

>Has anyone here ever used this Dr. and willing to comment on the

experience?

>

>Thanks again!

>

>Liz S.

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has used Dr. and had good things to say about him. I

don't know if she's still active on this group or not.

Linn

>

> Lori - Thank you for sending this. I'd like to hear about others who

have consulted with him. I've emailed him once and didn't really care

for his answers to my questions. I had a funny feeling about calling

him. - something was holding me back. Pat knows so much about Dr.

but then again, maybe is paying Pat for referrals? I

wonder if asks where you heard about him.

>

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I was wondering this too. His practice can't be all that busy.

b53cjf wrote: Everyone is wondering the same. But

then one has to wonder when he

has time to do his medical stuff and take care of patients when he's

constantly posting on forums.

>

> Honestly I have wondered before if Pat IS Dr in disguise.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>

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I think I've seen the name around. I wish she could tell us her

experience. I'd like to hear more positive remarks before contacting him.

mwm1glm wrote: has used Dr. and had

good things to say about him. I

don't know if she's still active on this group or not.

Linn

>

> Lori - Thank you for sending this. I'd like to hear about others who

have consulted with him. I've emailed him once and didn't really care

for his answers to my questions. I had a funny feeling about calling

him. - something was holding me back. Pat knows so much about Dr.

but then again, maybe is paying Pat for referrals? I

wonder if asks where you heard about him.

>

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Something I noticed once was Pat and dr. write their emails the same

way. That is what set of red flags in my head.

He was helping via email, but when I asked a specific question about

something the emails stopped. I found that really annoying.

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I was wondering this too. His practice can't be all that busy.

b53cjf wrote: Everyone is wondering the same.

But then one has to wonder when he

has time to do his medical stuff and take care of patients when he's

constantly posting on forums.

>

> Honestly I have wondered before if Pat IS Dr in disguise.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>

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's still on the HHN group.

Linn

has used Dr. and had good

things to say about him. I

> don't know if she's still active on this group or not.

>

> Linn

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He never refers to people as patients; he uses clients.

On Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 05:41PM, " "

wrote:

>I'm also a member of that group. Pat transcribes and posts patient's visits and

the treatment given. It appears to be believable with utter details and sound

knowledge on the subject. Do you folks really beieve that he is not a doctor? If

not, is he an RN or holistic practitioner? I'd like to know more about him.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>Lori Goldstein wrote:

> A couple of months ago I thought Pat was being very irresponsible

with his advice so I posted a rebuttal, which he refused to allow to post.

However, he privately emailed me a very nasty response. I had recommended a very

good doctor to someone on his list, (someone I know STTM recommends) and Pat

kept criticizing the treatment the doctor undertook and, of course, kept pushing

the person to call Dr. Mark .

>

>On Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 10:02AM, " T "

wrote:

>>Pat is a HE and is not a doctor. He is very unlikely to answer questions

>>about himself, which is one BIG reason I have shied away from listening

>>to him and left that list. What is he hiding?

>>

>>--

>> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>>

>> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>>http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>>

>>

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That's right. I wonder why?

Lori Goldstein wrote: He never refers to people

as patients; he uses clients.

On Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 05:41PM, " "

wrote:

>I'm also a member of that group. Pat transcribes and posts patient's visits and

the treatment given. It appears to be believable with utter details and sound

knowledge on the subject. Do you folks really beieve that he is not a doctor? If

not, is he an RN or holistic practitioner? I'd like to know more about him.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>Lori Goldstein wrote:

> A couple of months ago I thought Pat was being very irresponsible with his

advice so I posted a rebuttal, which he refused to allow to post. However, he

privately emailed me a very nasty response. I had recommended a very good doctor

to someone on his list, (someone I know STTM recommends) and Pat kept

criticizing the treatment the doctor undertook and, of course, kept pushing the

person to call Dr. Mark .

>

>On Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 10:02AM, " T "

wrote:

>>Pat is a HE and is not a doctor. He is very unlikely to answer questions

>>about himself, which is one BIG reason I have shied away from listening

>>to him and left that list. What is he hiding?

>>

>>--

>> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>>

>> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>>http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>>

>>

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> I've thought about contactin but have been waiting to hear from others

on their

experience with him. I don't want to waste another minute with someone who

doesn't

know what there doing.

OK, I'll tell a bit about my experience with him. It was expensive. It was

frustrating. It was

not particularly helpful. I did not come away from the phone call feeling like I

had a better

plan than I had before.

Like nearly all of us on these lists, I've spent *way too much time in doctor's

offices getting

no help, talking to people who have no clue. Pat's advice at HHN *was helpful to

me -- s/

he urges getting dosages right by testing, not by " feel " , and in fact when I

re-tested the

results were not at all what I expected them to be. I hoped would help me

figure

out the next step.

Mostly he wanted me to buy supplements. He did not have the kind of clarity and

flow-

chart kind of analysis that Pat does when describing a case.

I have to say the whole experience was weird and kind of creepy, including

writing this

post. But I just wanted to let people know how it went for me.

Nell

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Drea wrote: What group?

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I'm also a member of that group.

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Drea wrote: What group?

Drea

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I'm also a member of that group.

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