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Hi guys,

I know that this list has had discussions before about what is and isnt ok for this list. Some people seem to prefer to keep it to a political discussion, some an intellectual one, some kidding and some people really want to be here for emotional support. While my assumption is the majority of people here dont see a problem with all this kinds of discussions going on simultaneously, it does seem that some here really would like to keep it a discussion type forum and leave the emotions out. With more an more dissenting views (steppers) coming into the folds, (which i dont have a problem with as long as everyone is civil) it is becoming an unsafe place for those of us who do want emotional support and a place to vent. Maybe it is time for us to discuss opening another list just for emotional support kinds of issues. Something like 12stepfree-support. A place thats a safe haven to discuss what ever is bothering us emotionally without offending those who dont want to hear it or getting crap from those who dont want to believe it. Whether or not some people here want to admit that 12 step groups can and have caused some people harm, there are those of us that know that for us personally it was the case. We need to be able to vent about the pain that we have experienced from our 12 step involvement and/or the personal issues that caused us all to become involved with these groups to begin with. Personally, I know what I believe about the status of 12 step groups. But what matters to me is not that everyone in the world is rid of 12 step groups or believes that 12 steps are a cult, it is that I can learn to move past my experiences with them with some sort of grace and dignity.

If anyone else is interested in creating a splinter group let me know. Or if anyone feels that this is a bad idea speak up. I am more than willing to have an open and honest discussion about this.

Louree