Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Sell it? Why would anyone buy it when you can download it for free off the TDH web site. In a message dated 4/1/02 8:20:45 PM Central Standard Time, medic720@... writes: > > Those of you from TDH that read this list need to put an end to the > practice of selling our personal information. > > , FF/LP/NREMTP > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 I got the call as well....he had name address and all......I told him he coul show up but not to pay attention to the two big dogs with big teeth at the door..... needless to say noone showed up. Davs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Connie and others, I have seen " A.I.L's " number show up on my caller ID multiple times in the last several days. One of my co-worker firefighters told me yesterday how he was contacted. He was told straight out they received their list from TDH. If this group is allowed our personal information, who else is? The crack dealer we ran on last week? Those of you from TDH that read this list need to put an end to the practice of selling our personal information. , FF/LP/NREMTP medic720@... " Live your Life. Respect its Brevity. " Re: Has anyone else recieved this sales call? (TDH related..) Hmmm...just found this. Interesting stuff. http://www.bne.state.tx.us/tele-insurance.htm Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 TDH has said in the past that this is public information. During the last legislative session I recall the following bill (below my signature) being passed. It was signed by Governor , and was effective on 9/1/01. Can anyone tell me if it applies to TDH info, as I am a Peace Officer????? I have asked this question before in emails to TDH, and never recieved a response. Any ideas on this one????? Personally I think our addresses and phone numbers should be confidential. Jay Hoskins EMT EMS Instructor AN ACT 1-2 relating to the confidentiality of certain information held by 1-3 governmental bodies. 1-4 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS: 1-5 SECTION 1. Section 552.024, Government Code, is amended by 1-6 adding Subsection (f) to read as follows: 1-7 (f) This section does not apply to a person to whom Section 1-8 552.1175 applies. 1-9 SECTION 2. Section 552.117, Government Code, is amended to 1-10 read as follows: 1-11 Sec. 552.117. EXCEPTION: CERTAIN ADDRESSES, TELEPHONE 1-12 NUMBERS, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, AND PERSONAL FAMILY INFORMATION. 1-13 Information is excepted from the requirements of Section 552.021 if 1-14 it is information that relates to the home address, home telephone 1-15 number, or social security number of the following person[,] or 1-16 that reveals whether the [following] person has family members: 1-17 (1) a current or former official or employee of a 1-18 governmental body, except as otherwise provided by Section 552.024; 1-19 (2) a peace officer as defined by Article 2.12, Code 1-20 of Criminal Procedure, or a security officer commissioned under 1-21 Section 51.212, Education Code, regardless of whether the officer 1-22 complies with Section 552.024 or 552.1175, as applicable; 1-23 (3) an employee of the Texas Department of Criminal 1-24 Justice, regardless of whether the employee complies with Section 1-25 552.1175 [552.024]; [or] 2-1 (4) a peace officer as defined by Article 2.12, Code 2-2 of Criminal Procedure, or other law, a reserve law enforcement 2-3 officer, a commissioned deputy game warden, or a corrections 2-4 officer in a municipal, county, or state penal institution in this 2-5 state who was killed in the line of duty, regardless of whether the 2-6 deceased complied with Section 552.024 or 552.1175; or 2-7 (5) a commissioned security officer as defined by 2-8 Section 1702.002, Occupations Code, regardless of whether the 2-9 officer complies with Section 552.024 or 552.1175, as applicable. 2-10 SECTION 3. Subchapter C, Chapter 552, Government Code, is 2-11 amended by adding Section 552.1175 to read as follows: 2-12 Sec. 552.1175. CONFIDENTIALITY OF ADDRESSES, TELEPHONE 2-13 NUMBERS, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, AND PERSONAL FAMILY INFORMATION 2-14 OF PEACE OFFICERS, COUNTY JAILERS, SECURITY OFFICERS, AND EMPLOYEES 2-15 OF TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE. (a) This section applies 2-16 only to: 2-17 (1) peace officers as defined by Article 2.12, Code of 2-18 Criminal Procedure; 2-19 (2) county jailers as defined by Section 1701.001, 2-20 Occupations Code; 2-21 (3) employees of the Texas Department of Criminal 2-22 Justice; and 2-23 (4) commissioned security officers as defined by 2-24 Section 1702.002, Occupations Code. 2-25 ( Information that relates to the home address, home 2-26 telephone number, or social security number of an individual to 3-1 whom this section applies, or that reveals whether the individual 3-2 has family members is confidential and may not be disclosed to the 3-3 public under this chapter if the individual to whom the information 3-4 relates: 3-5 (1) chooses to restrict public access to the 3-6 information; and 3-7 (2) notifies the governmental body of the individual's 3-8 choice on a form provided by the governmental body, accompanied by 3-9 evidence of the individual's status. 3-10 © A choice made under Subsection ( remains valid until 3-11 rescinded in writing by the individual. 3-12 (d) This section does not apply to information in the tax 3-13 appraisal records of an appraisal district to which Section 25.025, 3-14 Tax Code, applies. 3-15 SECTION 4. Chapter 25, Tax Code, is amended by adding 3-16 Section 25.025 to read as follows: 3-17 Sec. 25.025. CONFIDENTIALITY OF CERTAIN HOME ADDRESS 3-18 INFORMATION. (a) This section applies only to: 3-19 (1) peace officers as defined by Article 2.12, Code of 3-20 Criminal Procedure; 3-21 (2) county jailers as defined by Section 1701.001, 3-22 Occupations Code; 3-23 (3) employees of the Texas Department of Criminal 3-24 Justice; and 3-25 (4) commissioned security officers as defined by 3-26 Section 1702.002, Occupations Code. 4-1 ( Information in appraisal records under Section 25.02 is 4-2 confidential and is available only for the official use of the 4-3 appraisal district, this state, the comptroller, and taxing units 4-4 and political subdivisions of this state if: 4-5 (1) the information identifies the home address of a 4-6 named individual to whom this section applies; and 4-7 (2) the individual chooses to restrict public access 4-8 to the information on the form prescribed for that purpose by the 4-9 comptroller under Section 5.07. 4-10 © A choice made under Subsection ( remains valid until 4-11 rescinded in writing by the individual. 4-12 (d) This section does not prohibit the public disclosure of 4-13 information in appraisal records that identifies property according 4-14 to an address if the information does not identify an individual 4-15 who has made an election under Subsection ( in connection with 4-16 the individual's address. 4-17 SECTION 5. Chapter 25, Tax Code, is amended by adding 4-18 Section 25.026 to read as follows: 4-19 Sec. 25.026. CONFIDENTIALITY OF VIOLENCE SHELTER CENTER AND 4-20 SEXUAL ASSAULT PROGRAM ADDRESS INFORMATION. (a) In this section: 4-21 (1) " Family violence shelter center " has the meaning 4-22 assigned by Section 51.002, Human Resources Code. 4-23 (2) " Sexual assault program " has the meaning assigned 4-24 by Section 420.003, Government Code. 4-25 ( Information in appraisal records under Section 25.02 is 4-26 confidential and is available only for the official use of the 5-1 appraisal district, this state, the comptroller, and taxing units 5-2 and political subdivisions of this state if the information 5-3 identifies the address of a family violence shelter center or a 5-4 sexual assault program. 5-5 SECTION 6. This Act takes effect September 1, 2001. _______________________________ _______________________________ President of the Senate Speaker of the House I hereby certify that S.B. No. 247 passed the Senate on March 15, 2001, by the following vote: Yeas 30, Nays 0, one present, not voting; and that the Senate concurred in House amendments on May 2, 2001, by a viva-voce vote. _______________________________ Secretary of the Senate I hereby certify that S.B. No. 247 passed the House, with amendments, on April 26, 2001, by a non-record vote. _______________________________ Chief Clerk of the House Approved: _______________________________ Date _______________________________ Governor Re: Has anyone else recieved this sales call? Sell it? Why would anyone buy it when you can download it for free off the TDH web site. In a message dated 4/1/02 8:20:45 PM Central Standard Time, medic720@... writes: > > Those of you from TDH that read this list need to put an end to the > practice of selling our personal information. > > , FF/LP/NREMTP > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Did you know that in California a police officers information will not pull up when a registration check is run on his/her personal vehicle? JB Re: Has anyone else recieved this sales call? > > > Sell it? Why would anyone buy it when you can download it for free off the > TDH web site. > > > In a message dated 4/1/02 8:20:45 PM Central Standard Time, > medic720@... writes: > > > > > > Those of you from TDH that read this list need to put an end to the > > practice of selling our personal information. > > > > , FF/LP/NREMTP > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Connie, and others, If you'll notice, the TDH has removed your personal information from their " File Library " . This was done some time ago, and most likely for domestic security reasons (following several FBI infrastructure directives). Don't blame the TDH for this problem. Of course, they were obligated to conform to the Electronic Freedom of Information (EFOI) requirements, but have since amended their " Files " in the interest of domestic security. Better that you receive annoying insurance calls than anthrax in your mail. The TDH has prudently and effectively responded to your security interests (albeit silently) in order to protect the human EMS assets in Texas (YOU). They're a lot smarter and more connected than most of us have probably ever imagined. Bob Kellow wrote: > Connie and others, > I have seen " A.I.L's " number show up on my caller ID multiple times in > the last several days. One of my co-worker firefighters told me > yesterday how he was contacted. He was told straight out they > received their list from TDH. If this group is allowed our personal > information, who else is? The crack dealer we ran on last week? > Those of you from TDH that read this list need to put an end to the > practice of selling our personal information. > > , FF/LP/NREMTP > medic720@... > " Live your Life. Respect its Brevity. " > Re: Has anyone else recieved this sales > call? (TDH related..) > > > Hmmm...just found this. Interesting stuff. > > http://www.bne.state.tx.us/tele-insurance.htm > > Connie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 LOL! Good one, ! I guess I'll be dragging my Mats Sundin stick around the house with me for the next few days. Not as fear invoking as dogs, but I could get a chance to practice my slapshot... :-) Connie --- Nutz4fp@... wrote: > I got the call as well....he had name address and > all......I told him he coul > show up but not to pay attention to the two big dogs > with big teeth at the > door..... needless to say noone showed up. > > Davs > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Bob, I'd rather take my chances with anthrax, than with any losers from this insurance company or any other one that may have gotten my name from TDH. The 2 people I talked to were not exactly trained, nor particularly educated. Besides, both reps used the words " purchased the database " . I realize now that it's public info, but I still feel betrayed by TDH. One, I'm not convinced they didn't make a profit off of it. Two, I guess I wish that TDH would try to make it clear to the Legeslature that EMSers are in a fairly risky line of work, and we should also have our info kept confidential. It wasn't the fact that it was an annoying sales call. I get those all the time, and it is often a source of amusment for me when I'm bored. ;-) It was the fact that they wanted to come to my house. I've NEVER had a telemarketer try that tactic. Just seemed insanely bold. I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling real protected by TDH right now. Connie --- Bob Kellow wrote: > Connie, and others, > > If you'll notice, the TDH has removed your personal > information from > their " File Library " . This was done some time ago, > and most likely for > domestic security reasons (following several FBI > infrastructure > directives). > > Don't blame the TDH for this problem. Of course, > they were obligated to > conform to the Electronic Freedom of Information > (EFOI) requirements, > but have since amended their " Files " in the interest > of domestic > security. Better that you receive annoying insurance > calls than anthrax > in your mail. > > The TDH has prudently and effectively responded to > your security > interests (albeit silently) in order to protect the > human EMS assets in > Texas (YOU). They're a lot smarter and more > connected than most of us > have probably ever imagined. > > Bob Kellow > > wrote: > > > Connie and others, > > I have seen " A.I.L's " number show up on my caller > ID multiple times in > > the last several days. One of my co-worker > firefighters told me > > yesterday how he was contacted. He was told > straight out they > > received their list from TDH. If this group is > allowed our personal > > information, who else is? The crack dealer we ran > on last week? > > Those of you from TDH that read this list need to > put an end to the > > practice of selling our personal information. > > > > , FF/LP/NREMTP > > medic720@... > > " Live your Life. Respect its Brevity. " > > Re: Has anyone else > recieved this sales > > call? (TDH related..) > > > > > > Hmmm...just found this. Interesting stuff. > > > > http://www.bne.state.tx.us/tele-insurance.htm > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Good deal- I was not aware of this! Thanks alot TDH! Jay Hoskins EMT EMS Instructor Re: Has anyone else recieved this sales > call? (TDH related..) > > > Hmmm...just found this. Interesting stuff. > > http://www.bne.state.tx.us/tele-insurance.htm > > Connie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 Connie, Federal and state FOI laws require that government agencies allow access to their information, documents, etc. The cost of acquiring this information comes in the form of photocopying or other reproduction expense, postage, etc. There's no " profit " involved. There are no FOI exemptions for EMS personnel in either the federal or Texas law, however there are disclosure exemptions for certain law enforcement personnel and others. Perhaps the best solution is to amend the provisions of the Texas FOI statute or rules in order to include EMS personnel as a (FOI) protected species. Bob Kellow connie mundell wrote: > Bob, I'd rather take my chances with anthrax, than > with any losers from this insurance company or any > other one that may have gotten my name from TDH. The > 2 people I talked to were not exactly trained, nor > particularly educated. Besides, both reps used the > words " purchased the database " . > I realize now that it's public info, but I still feel > betrayed by TDH. One, I'm not convinced they didn't > make a profit off of it. Two, I guess I wish that TDH > would try to make it clear to the Legeslature that > EMSers are in a fairly risky line of work, and we > should also have our info kept confidential. > It wasn't the fact that it was an annoying sales call. > I get those all the time, and it is often a source of > amusment for me when I'm bored. ;-) It was the fact > that they wanted to come to my house. I've NEVER had > a telemarketer try that tactic. Just seemed insanely > bold. > > I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling real protected by TDH > right now. > > Connie > > --- Bob Kellow wrote: > > Connie, and others, > > > > If you'll notice, the TDH has removed your personal > > information from > > their " File Library " . This was done some time ago, > > and most likely for > > domestic security reasons (following several FBI > > infrastructure > > directives). > > > > Don't blame the TDH for this problem. Of course, > > they were obligated to > > conform to the Electronic Freedom of Information > > (EFOI) requirements, > > but have since amended their " Files " in the interest > > of domestic > > security. Better that you receive annoying insurance > > calls than anthrax > > in your mail. > > > > The TDH has prudently and effectively responded to > > your security > > interests (albeit silently) in order to protect the > > human EMS assets in > > Texas (YOU). They're a lot smarter and more > > connected than most of us > > have probably ever imagined. > > > > Bob Kellow > > > > wrote: > > > > > Connie and others, > > > I have seen " A.I.L's " number show up on my caller > > ID multiple times in > > > the last several days. One of my co-worker > > firefighters told me > > > yesterday how he was contacted. He was told > > straight out they > > > received their list from TDH. If this group is > > allowed our personal > > > information, who else is? The crack dealer we ran > > on last week? > > > Those of you from TDH that read this list need to > > put an end to the > > > practice of selling our personal information. > > > > > > , FF/LP/NREMTP > > > medic720@... > > > " Live your Life. Respect its Brevity. " > > > Re: Has anyone else > > recieved this sales > > > call? (TDH related..) > > > > > > > > > Hmmm...just found this. Interesting stuff. > > > > > > http://www.bne.state.tx.us/tele-insurance.htm > > > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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