Re: this is getting crazy/ WLiz/Val

[Guest guest]

Thanks anyway, I will try to see if I can find something written on it. No I do

not take HC. But I think I am also going to drop the extra 5mcg I would add to

my night time 25mcg and see if that makes a difference. Although, my waking

pulse is never a problem. For now I will keep the extra 5mcg with my morning

dose. But gosh, my temps are doing so well, I am consistently going up. What do

you think Val?

Venizia

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> > > > > From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@>

> > > > > Subject: this is getting crazy

> > > > > To: RT3_T3

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:39 PM

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> > > > > So now at 3:00pm, not even having taken my afternoon T3 and the last

time I took it was at 6:45am this morning my pulse is 108!!!!!

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> > > > > I did go in today to get my sodium and potassium checked glad I did

not have to wait until next week to get in.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I had that many hours between doses, would you think it is NOT the

T3 causing the high pulse. My iron levels were fine back in March.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am at my wits end!!!!!(((

> > > > >

> > > > > Venizia

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I am curious about Val's opinion on that, too. I may have to do the same.

One more thought, if you take anything like an antidepressant with

norepinephrine inducing properties that could raise your pulse. I am actually on

an AD and I am considering trying to cut it back a little.

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@>

> > > > > > Subject: this is getting crazy

> > > > > > To: RT3_T3

> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:39 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So now at 3:00pm, not even having taken my afternoon T3 and the last

time I took it was at 6:45am this morning my pulse is 108!!!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did go in today to get my sodium and potassium checked glad I did

not have to wait until next week to get in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I had that many hours between doses, would you think it is NOT

the T3 causing the high pulse. My iron levels were fine back in March.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am at my wits end!!!!!(((

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venizia

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Val,

Thanks so much. This is helpful. I have been menopausal since 2001. I need

to find out after all these years, would symptoms pop up again. I cut out the

5mcg at last night and this morning I did not take my 5mcg with the 25mcg. I am

going to see what happens with my pulse in the next couple of days doing that.

Do you think for now that is the way to go? My temps yesterday were:

Took 30 mcg of cytomel

7:45am - 97.3 pulse 77

8:00am - 97.8 pulse 90

Took 25 mcg of cytomel

3:00pm - 98.5 pulse 108

Took 25 mcg of cytomel around 8:00pm

9:00pm - 97.9 pulse 103

My average for the day is 97.9

My averages have been consistently going up with the highest being 98.0 also

ranges have been within 2, 3, 4 tenths difference.

Hope this helps you to help me.

Venizia

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> http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C327561.html

>

> Look at the list if low estrogen symtoms

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[Guest guest]

No, I do not take antidepressants.

Venizia

>

> Yeah, I am curious about Val's opinion on that, too. I may have to do the

same.

> One more thought, if you take anything like an antidepressant with

norepinephrine inducing properties that could raise your pulse. I am actually on

an AD and I am considering trying to cut it back a little.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible that when I lost an ovary and most of symptoms began that my

adrenal went south having to work harder due to that procedure? Also once I got

further into peri/meno I had worsening thyroid symptoms. And then when I started

low doses of bio HRT it seems my thyroid symptoms got even worse.

I have also had other surgeries over the years. And now that I think of it after

having my appendix out in 2007 I seem to have gone further downhill with the

thyroid. Maybe my adrenals were already sluggish prior to the appendix surgery

and now I'm just a mess???

[Guest guest]

A very interesting observation. In 2004 I also had one of my ovaries removed

and I have to say shortly after that is when my problems got worse. I but on 25#

in 4 months and a whole lot of other problems.

Venizia

>

> Is it possible that when I lost an ovary and most of symptoms began that my

adrenal went south having to work harder due to that procedure? Also once I got

further into peri/meno I had worsening thyroid symptoms. And then when I started

low doses of bio HRT it seems my thyroid symptoms got even worse.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Val I have dumb question.

Do you think if estrogen supplementation makes you feel better/relieves

symptoms, that means you need it?

Of course one must go by the blood tests, but even so, Is it that simple? Or can

estro make you feel better but it is still bad for you?

>

> I think doctors go by the old ONE big test that was done MANY years ago

> with premarin and synthetic progesterone. THAT was the study that was

> shut down due to cancers and heart risks. There have sionce been smaller

> studies done that NO ONE hears abotu with Premarin and bioidentical

> progesterone that had NONE of those issues. It was nto the Premarin that

> caused the problems but the synthetic progesterone. Now I do fel anyone

> that has a uterus that takes Premarin shoudl take the lowest effective

> odse and shoud also take progesteroine to protect from the damaging

> effects of a very strong estrogne which Premarin is. But as I have taken

> it for the last 28 years (minus 2 years when I stopped it) I have

> certainyl done a TON of studyinginto it and it's dangers and I decided

> it was fine for me to take in light of the fact it is the only one thta

> releives my symptoms. One thing thyroid has taught me, if it does not

> releive your symptms, it si not working right no matter how bioidentical

> it si said to be.

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[Guest guest]

The thing about estriol is that due to its weakness, you need a lot more of it

to get your symptoms to go away. In my opinion estriol is different, it has

different mechanisms and does different stuff to your body than estradiol. For

me it helps my vascular inflammation issues, but only at large doses. It helps

some MS patient at those doses, and might help other autoimmune diseases. I

don't think estradiol does that stuff.

When you do take large doses of estriol I think you then have to worry about

uterine buold up issues just like with estradiol. I am trying to find out as

much as I can on estriol because it has worked wonders for me but I am paranoid

about being on it and being pre-meno...

>

> You're kidding! So being on HRT, even though it gave me grief, may have been

> a good thing? But when I dumped it, I was like a kid again and I was

> physically able to do a lot of things and feel good and lose weight. At

> least for 6 months <G>

>

> So why does it say this?:

>

> " The safest form of estrogen to use is estriol. While it is weak, it does

> have a protective effect against breast cancer development. The most

> effective estrogen is estradiol, but it does carry some risk. Synthetic

> estrogens, such as Premarin are not advised. "

>

> Premarin isn't synthetic.

>

> Janis Whitcomb, Auburn, WA

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> Re: Re: this is getting crazy/ WLiz/Val

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> > Yes meno symptoms could easily worsen if oyur adrenals are stressed as

> > once

> > the ovaries quit producing the hormones, the adrenals must take over. Thsi

> > si why AF happens often at meno.

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> >

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[Guest guest]

Val: I have sore nipples not breasts. Does this mean too hi estrogen? I started

compounded cream 5/11/09. tks,maxsarv

>

> IF it makes you feel better with no side effects (sore boobs means too

> much estrogen) you need it. I adjust my estrogne by my boobs. It is

> right on themoney. They shoudl never be sore as that means you ar taking

> too much.

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of sore boobs..I have noticed that mine have been sore for a couple of months. I am only on T-3 and HC, no other hormones. I get those tough ,stray hairs on my chin. What could be converting to excess estrogen or androgens? I am overweight and had heard that fat cells make/hold excess estrogen? Thanks!

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