Re: Cytomel and Armour dosing--RT3 High

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June 30, 2009

For 5 days last week my averages for the day after taking it 3x a day a few

hours apart were:

98.3, 98.2, 97.8, 98.0, 98.0

I was taking 15-20mg of HC a day, and 45mg of Armour and 10mcg of Cytomel.

Another poster I know who works for a doctor said that I may never have needed

HC at all and now that I've started it, I could be worse. My initial 8 am blood

cortisol was 17 and 3 doctors said that was a good level but the 4th who gave me

the Armour put me on 5-10mg HC only. I went up on my own after doing this weekly

average temperature taking like above and getting varied temps. Well the temps

are still the same even up to 20mg so I'm starting to wonder now about this HC.

I did have a very low ACTH of 9 but the cortisol level wasn't bad. I'm worried I

may never have needed it to begin with.

I have usually felt easily irritated, startled, and low tolerance, especially in

the mornings and I used that as symptoms of low cortisol when I was told on a

few boards that I am most likely hypopituitary and secondary adrenal

insufficiency with cortisol at 17 and ACTH at 9.

Now I'm really beginnning to wonder if I messed my self up further taking the

HC. I've also gained more weight, especially in my stomach. And my DHEA tanked

which I'm finding out now is due to taking HC.

I'm dazed and confused, as always.

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June 30, 2009

If ti si any consolation, I have been moderating adrneal lists for abut

5 years now and have not sdeen 15mg help butmaybe 1-2 people in all that

time. MOST need 30-35 mg and that is women, men need mroe. Look at

Thierry Hertoghe;'s dosing schedules an dyou will see why most are nto

healing their adrneals. I plpayed owht 20mg for 1o months no good, thne

went to 30mg an dlost a bunch of weight nad felt great till I crashed my

adnrelas wiht a huge stressor Idid not stress dose for, thne all

together after 3.5 years on HC my doc talked m einto going ot 40mg. In

side of 3 months I was able to taper off the HC and have bene ife ever

since. 8+ months later. So getting enough ot allow the adrneals to heal

was exactyl what I needed and what I ahve seen iwht others that have

healed their afdrneals as well.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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June 30, 2009

30-35mg?. Wow. I have Thierry's book. I'll go back and take a look into it. I

have Jeffries books, and almost every thyroid book that has come out too. Yet,

I'm still scared. Maybe it's because a few doctors told me no and one said yes,

but only to a little that I feel nervous about it.

For now I only have 30 pills for the month because the doctor told me to go down

to 5mg. I'm using Isocort in place of the missing doses I was previously taking.

How strong is the isocort? Are 2 pellets = to 5mg of HC. Or should I go 3

pellete.

I can order it online though I suppose. But I'm going to try one more doctor

that came recommended and see what he has to say about my mess that I'm in.

Isocort okay in the meantime?

June 30, 2009

Isocort is fine to fill in but even ti is weaker than we originally

thought. I would say 3 pellets for 5mg HC.

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June 30, 2009

TY, . I will use that until I get my hands on more. Someone told me that

the generic cortisone, hydrocortisone is not strong and does not work as well as

Cortef. Have you heard this?

June 30, 2009

I ahve had no problems with mnost generic HC I have used. but i only

used Cortef once so relly had ntohign to compare it to.

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June 30, 2009

Val, I just read your post and looked at hertogh's schedule. It shows the dose

for moderate adrenal deficiency: 15-10-5 and severe: 20-10-5-5. I had thought

we weren't supposed to go over 10 first thing in the morning?

I am wondering if I need more adrenal support. Still have that whiteness around

the mouth. I am having a heck of a time getting temps. I run high anyways and

now with the heat its even worse. Is there any other way besides temps to gauge

the room for increasing?

What you said makes a lot of sense. If I am not getting enough and somewhat

sitting on the fence then it may be harder to heal. I am currently taking 27.5

dosed 10-10-5-2.5.

Also I was reading about d3 and b12 making hypoadrenalism worse? I was very low

d and so I've been taking 6000 d3. Is this not okay?

Thanks for your help,

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> If ti si any consolation, I have been moderating adrneal lists for abut

> 5 years now and have not sdeen 15mg help butmaybe 1-2 people in all that

> time. MOST need 30-35 mg and that is women, men need mroe. Look at

> Thierry Hertoghe;'s dosing schedules an dyou will see why most are nto

> healing their adrneals. I plpayed owht 20mg for 1o months no good, thne

> went to 30mg an dlost a bunch of weight nad felt great till I crashed my

> adnrelas wiht a huge stressor Idid not stress dose for, thne all

> together after 3.5 years on HC my doc talked m einto going ot 40mg. In

> side of 3 months I was able to taper off the HC and have bene ife ever

> since. 8+ months later. So getting enough ot allow the adrneals to heal

> was exactyl what I needed and what I ahve seen iwht others that have

> healed their afdrneals as well.

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June 30, 2009

I still do not liek to dose over 10mg in one dose but for the folks that

need moe than that I usually suggest takin 12mg thnein 2 hours taking

more. this way they are nto overly supressing their OWN coritls

produxction just to make the quota for the morning.

I am not sure what you mean about D2 and B12.. I tok B12 all through

my adnral healing and still take ti every day and I have taken D3 for

about the last year and a half wiht no problems. I take 10000 IU of D3

every day fo rth elast 6 months to finally bring me up to 60..

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July 1, 2009

I would sure like to know WHO wrote that section of onibasu website. If

they are going to quote ME they really shoudl have asked permission and

at least got it right,. They are also quoting a PRIVATE FORUM that thye

have no right to quote from.

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July 1, 2009

I am not aware of what this is about Val. Would you elaborate, if you would

like.

Venizia

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> I would sure like to know WHO wrote that section of onibasu website. If

> they are going to quote ME they really shoudl have asked permission and

> at least got it right,. They are also quoting a PRIVATE FORUM that thye

> have no right to quote from.

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July 1, 2009

I was told that high liver enzyme numbers indirectly cause Rt3 by stressing

other systems.

I have high numbers and I am going to research more.

Venizia

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> Maybe the high RT3 is from a liver problem? I'm going to ask for a complete

liver enzyme blood work and a sonogram at my next GP appointment just to be

safe.

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July 1, 2009

I was told I had a high ALT in my last doc visit and she couldn't figure out why since I don't drink or take other types of drugs. Now I understand. Since I switched to T3 only I am feeling a world of difference in only a short time. I was starting to think that nothing was going to help. I hope this continues and solves all my problems. Is that too much to ask for?I've been taking Milk Thistle for my high liver enzyme numbers and I think it helped.I was told that high liver enzyme numbers indirectly cause Rt3 by stressing other systems.I have high numbers and I am going to research more. Venizia

July 1, 2009

Oh I totally agree! I found the site when I was googling for the Hertoghe

cortisol recommendations.

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> I would sure like to know WHO wrote that section of onibasu website. If

> they are going to quote ME they really shoudl have asked permission and

> at least got it right,. They are also quoting a PRIVATE FORUM that thye

> have no right to quote from.

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