Re: Lets try an experiment

[Guest guest]

Good points, Mike. OK, I'll bite...

We need an organization that is FIRST open to all EMS certified or licensed

personnel who want to join. That one is not hard, and current organizations

meet that request. Second, we need leadership in the organization that is

strong and aggressive without being derogative and obnoxious. In other

words, strong and capable EMS leaders who are willing to lead the charge

into battle but who know how to handle opposition without pissing people off

on a regular basis. It is wrong to be " politically correct " in some

situations, but it is even more wrong to handle things from a negative

standpoint. Those leaders also need to hold some political connections with

legislators or representatives who will lend an ear to the problems

presented. Without some sort of a political advocate, we can just hand up

our spurs and put away our saddles cause we will get absolutely nowhere.

The leaders also need to be willing to work with all EMS factions to try and

get a good feel for the general consensus of need.

Do we have this in EMSAT? If so, then we already have a good starting

point. If not, then what do we do next?

Jane Hill

Lets try an experiment

> Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS organization. Or think we

have. We have bashed moaned and complained. Now, let's try something

different.

>

> Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS organization, in some

detail, so we can see what we all are really talking about.

>

> Next, lets look at those desires and find a group that can meet those

needs and desires. If EMSAT is that group, then great. If not, then lets

get after it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is needed or

start one that does meet those goals.

>

> Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never know...may actually

work. Isn't it time to defecate or remove ourselves from the porcelain

receptacle?

>

> Mike

> Longview

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good points, Mike. OK, I'll bite...

We need an organization that is FIRST open to all EMS certified or licensed

personnel who want to join. That one is not hard, and current organizations

meet that request. Second, we need leadership in the organization that is

strong and aggressive without being derogative and obnoxious. In other

words, strong and capable EMS leaders who are willing to lead the charge

into battle but who know how to handle opposition without pissing people off

on a regular basis. It is wrong to be " politically correct " in some

situations, but it is even more wrong to handle things from a negative

standpoint. Those leaders also need to hold some political connections with

legislators or representatives who will lend an ear to the problems

presented. Without some sort of a political advocate, we can just hand up

our spurs and put away our saddles cause we will get absolutely nowhere.

The leaders also need to be willing to work with all EMS factions to try and

get a good feel for the general consensus of need.

Do we have this in EMSAT? If so, then we already have a good starting

point. If not, then what do we do next?

Jane Hill

Lets try an experiment

> Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS organization. Or think we

have. We have bashed moaned and complained. Now, let's try something

different.

>

> Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS organization, in some

detail, so we can see what we all are really talking about.

>

> Next, lets look at those desires and find a group that can meet those

needs and desires. If EMSAT is that group, then great. If not, then lets

get after it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is needed or

start one that does meet those goals.

>

> Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never know...may actually

work. Isn't it time to defecate or remove ourselves from the porcelain

receptacle?

>

> Mike

> Longview

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

O.K. Mike,

I'll give it a try.

1. first a funded mandate declaring EMS a public safety necessity

2. creating or extending a professional association which will be responsive

to the needs of all EMS.

3. continuity in EMS without respect to where you work, live or play,

volunteer or paid.

4. an association that supports it's members with education, guidance, and

defense is need be.

5. a strong voice in the public domain that will be heard by everyone especially

our elected officials.

I'm sure that there is much else I could given time, but enough for now.

Mike wrote:

> Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS organization. Or think we have.

We have bashed moaned and complained. Now, let's try something different.

>

> Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS organization, in some

detail, so we can see what we all are really talking about.

>

> Next, lets look at those desires and find a group that can meet those needs

and desires. If EMSAT is that group, then great. If not, then lets get after

it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is needed or start one that

does meet those goals.

>

> Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never know...may actually work.

Isn't it time to defecate or remove ourselves from the porcelain receptacle?

>

> Mike

> Longview

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

I agree with you 100%. I have said on this list more

than once, as have others, that we have an EMS

organization in Texas. Why re-invent the wheel? We

should all join EMSAT. (I need to update my

membership myself!) Then, if we aren't happy with

EMSAT, we should attend meetings and vote in a new

leadership. When we aren't happy with the President

of the United States, do we start a new country? No!

We simply vote him out of office. What do you all

say? I'm mailing my money to EMSAT, and my voice will

be heard.

I, like Henry, don't always agree with Ron, but Ron is

an " Old Hand " when it comes to EMS in Texas. We can

like him, dislike him, not care, but regardless, Ron

knows " the right people " in Austin. Ron says a lot of

things that I'd prefer my leader not say, but he gives

a rats posterior. Most of the rest of us just sit and

complain about how things are, but Ron's actually

doing something. If Ron needs to be replaced as the

leader of EMSAT, then so be it, let's vote in someone

that's as knowledgeable, and less abrasive. Maybe we

can vote to send Ron to Public Relations classes, send

him to a self-help seminar, or otherwise " flog him "

into submission. Like I said, Ron and I have agreed

on issues, and disagreed on more, but he's involved!

Are you?

E. Tate, LP

Tyler, Texas

--- Mike wrote:

> Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS

> organization. Or think we have. We have bashed

> moaned and complained. Now, let's try something

> different.

>

> Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS

> organization, in some detail, so we can see what we

> all are really talking about.

>

> Next, lets look at those desires and find a group

> that can meet those needs and desires. If EMSAT is

> that group, then great. If not, then lets get after

> it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is

> needed or start one that does meet those goals.

>

> Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never

> know...may actually work. Isn't it time to defecate

> or remove ourselves from the porcelain receptacle?

>

> Mike

> Longview

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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" The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.

The time has come for judging the dead,

and for rewarding your servants the prophets

and your saints and those who reverence your name,

both small and great -

and for destroying those who destroy the earth. "

Revelation 11:18

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[Guest guest]

Sorry. I am confused. Are we gathering information on what we

expect from/are looking for in an EMS system organization (i.e.:

Employer?) or a lobby-type organization?

I'm a quick study, but sometimes confused.

Jeff

>

> Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS organization,

in some detail, so we can see what we all are really talking about.

>

> Next, lets look at those desires and find a group that can meet

those needs and desires. If EMSAT is that group, then great. If

not, then lets get after it and either change EMSAT (if required) to

what is needed or start one that does meet those goals.

>

Isn't it time to defecate or remove ourselves from the porcelain

receptacle?

>

> Mike

> Longview

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK, count me in. I'll join EMSAT, too. I'm sure my tiny little voice

will never affect the winds of change unless I am supporting a strong

organization that will represent my interests. I also wonder- if

enough of the 46,000 Texas EMS personnel would join EMSAT, do you

think we could get a good group rate for health insurance?

Ron

> > Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS

> > organization. Or think we have. We have bashed

> > moaned and complained. Now, let's try something

> > different.

> >

> > Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS

> > organization, in some detail, so we can see what we

> > all are really talking about.

> >

> > Next, lets look at those desires and find a group

> > that can meet those needs and desires. If EMSAT is

> > that group, then great. If not, then lets get after

> > it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is

> > needed or start one that does meet those goals.

> >

> > Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never

> > know...may actually work. Isn't it time to defecate

> > or remove ourselves from the porcelain receptacle?

> >

> > Mike

> > Longview

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> =====

> " The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.

> The time has come for judging the dead,

> and for rewarding your servants the prophets

> and your saints and those who reverence your name,

> both small and great -

> and for destroying those who destroy the earth. "

> Revelation 11:18

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well...three responses since the 21st on my question. Think they are somewhat

representative though, so let me continue with what I had in mind.

Seems like those responding want an association that will allow us all in and

treat us all fairly. The association should be politically active on issues

affecting EMS, with appropriate political connections with the state (and

federal) folks. Education was mentioned as well as guidance. Availability of

legal assistance was stated in one response. These are paraphrased, so if I did

not state the exact objective in a response please don't start another feeding

frenzy.

OK....does EMSAT do the things mentioned? If so, then we should join up and

make it work. If it does not, then we should join and change it to the

association we want. Sitting on the sidelines (and I am there at this point as

well) and not joining is not the thing to do. is right....either

way...EMSAT is what is happening right now association-wise in Texas.

Please allow me some soap box time too....gonna do it anyway.

I am overwhelmed at the strings I have seen moving through this list. The

attacks are silly and pointless. Something we must all remember is that we all

already have something in common......a patch. This patch shows we all have

taken the time and expense to help others when they need assistance. The patch

make look different on each of our shoulders, but it still means we care. Why

don't we treat our own differently than those we see during our shifts?

If we truly believe in what we do, we should help those among us as much as

those in the streets. If someone can't spell, help them find the " spell

checker' in their e-mail program. If they don't understand a concept, law, or

other type of statement, then we should explain it to them. What is up with

keeping the loaded AK-47 next to our computers pointed at EMS folks? We don't

necessarily have to be buddies with each other, but we do have to respect what

each of us has done.....we have promised to help those in need. Lets start

doing this with our own.

'nuff said

Mike

Longview, Texas

Lets try an experiment

Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS organization. Or think we have.

We have bashed moaned and complained. Now, let's try something different.

Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS organization, in some

detail, so we can see what we all are really talking about.

Next, lets look at those desires and find a group that can meet those needs

and desires. If EMSAT is that group, then great. If not, then lets get after

it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is needed or start one that

does meet those goals.

Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never know...may actually work.

Isn't it time to defecate or remove ourselves from the porcelain receptacle?

Mike

Longview

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Do you are anyone on the list have the time and place of the EMSAT meeting on

the 30th?

I deleted too fast and can't locate my hard copy. I do plan to attend , I just

need the time and location. The thread of conservation may have died, but my

zest to make a difference has not.

Nacogdoches Co. EMS

Mike wrote:

> Well...three responses since the 21st on my question. Think they are somewhat

representative though, so let me continue with what I had in mind.

>

> Seems like those responding want an association that will allow us all in and

treat us all fairly. The association should be politically active on issues

affecting EMS, with appropriate political connections with the state (and

federal) folks. Education was mentioned as well as guidance. Availability of

legal assistance was stated in one response. These are paraphrased, so if I did

not state the exact objective in a response please don't start another feeding

frenzy.

>

> OK....does EMSAT do the things mentioned? If so, then we should join up and

make it work. If it does not, then we should join and change it to the

association we want. Sitting on the sidelines (and I am there at this point as

well) and not joining is not the thing to do. is right....either

way...EMSAT is what is happening right now association-wise in Texas.

>

> Please allow me some soap box time too....gonna do it anyway.

>

> I am overwhelmed at the strings I have seen moving through this list. The

attacks are silly and pointless. Something we must all remember is that we all

already have something in common......a patch. This patch shows we all have

taken the time and expense to help others when they need assistance. The patch

make look different on each of our shoulders, but it still means we care. Why

don't we treat our own differently than those we see during our shifts?

>

> If we truly believe in what we do, we should help those among us as much as

those in the streets. If someone can't spell, help them find the " spell

checker' in their e-mail program. If they don't understand a concept, law, or

other type of statement, then we should explain it to them. What is up with

keeping the loaded AK-47 next to our computers pointed at EMS folks? We don't

necessarily have to be buddies with each other, but we do have to respect what

each of us has done.....we have promised to help those in need. Lets start

doing this with our own.

>

> 'nuff said

>

> Mike

> Longview, Texas

> Lets try an experiment

>

> Ok, we have seen what we don't want in an EMS organization. Or think we

have. We have bashed moaned and complained. Now, let's try something

different.

>

> Each of you list what you are looking for in an EMS organization, in some

detail, so we can see what we all are really talking about.

>

> Next, lets look at those desires and find a group that can meet those needs

and desires. If EMSAT is that group, then great. If not, then lets get after

it and either change EMSAT (if required) to what is needed or start one that

does meet those goals.

>

> Lets just try this once and see how it goes. Never know...may actually

work. Isn't it time to defecate or remove ourselves from the porcelain

receptacle?

>

> Mike

> Longview

>

>