Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 Hi group, I am having a problem with a certain issue in breaking away from AA. Hopefully you can break through my still brainwashed noodle with some suggestions. I feel so much better when I don't go to meetings. So, I have cut way back. I need to leave totally. I must. It is a harmful place for me and thanks to all of you that becomes clearer everyday. The issue is my sponsor. She is truly a sweet old gal. I am very sure of that. She has never been forceful or demanding with me. She has made suggestions, and at the time, I was willing to follow them. But compared to the sponsor horror stories I have heard, this woman is very gentle and mild. I really do care about her and she has always been there for me. She is a kind person. About one month ago, when I stopped by to visit her on my way home from work, I told her that I was exploring other recovery options. Ones that I felt were right for me. She acted pretty okay with that. I did not condemn AA to her, and I really don't want to. She is perfectly happy there. It works for her. She is just doing her " job " with me as she was taught, and not very strictly at that. I am meeting her for lunch on Saturday to celebrate a belated one year anniversary in my honor. Shit, I am dreading this. I plan on telling her that I no longer need her services. That I won't " keep comin back " anymore. I just know that she is not going to take this well. But I can't be phony with her any longer. Just can't. I guess I don't want to hurt her and I feel like I am going to. I know that this is crazy because this is MY life that we're talking about here. Why am I so worried about hurting her when AA is hurting me? Thanks Sue > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeeGroups >Subject: Re: john travolta and scientology >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:20:01 -0800 > > > " dave " wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11557 > > > good story at washingtonpost.com > > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/arts/feed/a54196-1999nov28.htm > > >---------------------- > > Thanks Dave. It's truly sad that successful people like >Travolta and Kirstie Alley can be taken in by this evil, demented, and >terrifying cult, and inspire others to join. > >~Rita > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Want to send money instantly to anyone, anywhere, anytime? >You can today at X.com - and we'll give you $20 to try it! Sign >up today at X.com. It's quick, free, & there's no obligation! >http://click./1/332/1/_/4324/_/947731227/ > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >-- /docvault/12-step-free/?m=1 > ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 I assume you are dreading this because you believe that you and she have a genuine friendship. Can't you be friends without her being your sponsor? " sue styd " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11618 > Hi group, > > I am having a problem with a certain issue in breaking away > from AA. Hopefully you can break through my still brainwashed > noodle with some suggestions. > > I feel so much better when I don't go to meetings. So, I > have cut way back. I need to leave totally. I must. It is > a harmful place for me and thanks to all of you that becomes > clearer everyday. > > The issue is my sponsor. She is truly a sweet old gal. I am > very sure of that. She has never been forceful or demanding > with me. She has made suggestions, and at the time, > I was willing to follow them. But compared to the sponsor > horror stories I have heard, this woman is very gentle and > mild. I really do care about her and she has always been there > for me. She is a kind person. > > About one month ago, when I stopped by to visit her on my way > home from work, I told her that I was exploring other recovery > options. Ones that I felt were right for me. She acted > pretty okay with that. I did not condemn AA to her, and I really > don't want to. She is perfectly happy there. It works for > her. She is just doing her " job " with me as she was taught, > and not very strictly at that. > > I am meeting her for lunch on Saturday to celebrate a belated > one year anniversary in my honor. Shit, I am dreading this. > I plan on telling her that I no longer need her services. That > I won't " keep comin back " anymore. I just know that she is > not going to take this well. But I can't be phony with her > any longer. Just can't. > > I guess I don't want to hurt her and I feel like I am going to. > I know that this is crazy because this is MY life that we're > talking about here. Why am I so worried about hurting her > when AA is hurting me? > > Thanks > Sue > > > > > > > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups > >Subject: Re: john travolta and scientology > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:20:01 -0800 > > > > > > " dave " wrote: > >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11 557 > > > > > good story at washingtonpost.com > > > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/arts/feed/a54196-1999nov28 ..htm > > > > >---------------------- > > > > Thanks Dave. It's truly sad that successful people like > >Travolta and Kirstie Alley can be taken in by this evil, demented, and > >terrifying cult, and inspire others to join. > > > >~Rita > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Just wondering a few basic questions. What side effects could I experience from Ashermans other than possible infertility? How does endometriosis relate to this? If we decide we will not have more children can the ashermans be left alone? I am wondering how a D & C turns into this also. Have law suits ever been filed due to botched D & C? How have they ended? Because I have had it for almost 2 years does that make it more difficult to repair? I don't know if I can handle another miscarriage and have been given the option to have my tubes tied...why would this be recommended? Any advice is so appreciated!!! Glenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 This makes me so angry. How can ANY doctor tell a patient his TSH was normal when it is 6.5 - 7.!!!! There needs to be some lawsuits to get these idiots to wake up. I would suspect he probably would not need some of the other meds he was put on if he was treated by a competent doctor...oh wait, we don't have any of those. Sorry, this just rubbed me the wrong way. Venizia > > He's not on thyroid meds - this test was the first one, other than the TSH done about > 5 years ago that the doc said was " normal " . I believe at that time that the TSH was > about 6.5-7. > > I will send him your information. > > Thanks so much for your help! > > Jan > > > > Re: Need Advice > > > > Is he taking any thyroid,medications? His reverse T3 is too high. His > > ratio is 14.6 and needs t be at least 20. If he is not taking any > > thyroid meds he could start on T3 only ashe is HYPO. But he shoudl also > > have adrenals and ferritin labs done before starting thyroid just to be > > cerrtain low cortils or low ferritin are notthat cause of the high RT3. > > If he is on Armour or T4 only he needs ot stop them and switch to only T3. > > > > -- > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 My TSH was 6.5 once and my idiot doctor told me to take some extra synthroid every other day. It was just barely out of range so it wasn't so bad. This makes me so angry. How can ANY doctor tell a patient his TSH was normal when it is 6.5 - 7.!!!!  There needs to be some lawsuits to get these idiots to wake up.  I would suspect he probably would not need some of the other meds he was put on if he was treated by a competent doctor...oh wait, we don't have any of those. Sorry, this just rubbed me the wrong way. Venizia > > He's not on thyroid meds - this test was the first one, other than the TSH done about > 5 years ago that the doc said was " normal " .  I believe at that time that the TSH was > about 6.5-7. > > I will send him your information. > > Thanks so much for your help! > > Jan > > > > Re: Need Advice > > > > Is he taking any thyroid,medications? His reverse T3 is too high. His > > ratio is 14.6 and needs t be at least 20. If he is not taking any > > thyroid meds he could start on T3 only ashe is HYPO. But he shoudl also > > have adrenals and ferritin labs done before starting thyroid just to be > > cerrtain low cortils or low ferritin are notthat cause of the high RT3. > > If he is on Armour or T4 only he needs ot stop them and switch to only T3. > > > > -- > >            Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 My TSH jumped up and down from 3ish to 6.1 over the last 8 years (that I have records for). The highs were always blamed on lab error since the TSH always came down to " well within range " when I was retested - usually a year later. No one paid serious attention till last year and the doc said that they should probably look into it as it appeared that " I had willed myself into a hypothyroid state " (I had been complaining of symptoms all along.) I have always suspected that I have Hashi's and I now think it was ignored for a decade or longer till my thyroid no longer works at all. I found an old lab that showed TPO antibodies. They were extremely low but they were there. Why on earth wouldn't a doc follow up on that???? Radar > > > This makes me so angry. How can ANY doctor tell a patient his TSH was > > normal when it is 6.5 - 7.!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Wait....what....did they seriously say you willed yourself into being hypo? My TSH jumped up and down from 3ish to 6.1 over the last 8 years (that I have records for). The highs were always blamed on lab error since the TSH always came down to " well within range " when I was retested - usually a year later. No one paid serious attention till last year and the doc said that they should probably look into it as it appeared that " I had willed myself into a hypothyroid state " (I had been complaining of symptoms all along.) I have always suspected that I have Hashi's and I now think it was ignored for a decade or longer till my thyroid no longer works at all. I found an old lab that showed TPO antibodies. They were extremely low but they were there. Why on earth wouldn't a doc follow up on that???? Radar > > > This makes me so angry. How can ANY doctor tell a patient his TSH was > > normal when it is 6.5 - 7.!!!! ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Yep. He really said that. He's a family friend so I'm sure it was meant as a joke but I didn't find it very funny. I had been asking him to check my thyroid for eight years and he kept saying there was nothing wrong with it. I had a big goiter in my early 30s that went away before I started seeing him by my mid 30s (I'm 50 now). He's been my PCP for 15 years. He knew my history of the goiter (and the previous doc who wanted to remove my thyroid) but he said there were lots of reasons for goiters and it didn't mean there was anything wrong with my thyroid. All those years he palpated (right word?) it and said it wasn't swollen and my labs were fine so I wasn't hypothyroid - I was just in peri-menopause. He agreed we should do more testing but I never went back to see him. I went to see a Naturopath. My experience with her was almost as bad. So here I am. But don't you think it all this sounds like Hashi's? The last labs came back with no antibodies so I still don't know for sure. Radar > > Wait....what....did they seriously say you willed yourself into being hypo? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 > I have always suspected that I have Hashi's and I now think it was ignored for a decade or longer till my thyroid no longer works at all. I found an old lab that showed TPO antibodies. They were extremely low but they were there. Why on earth wouldn't a doc follow up on that???? > > Radar Because they aren't taught anything about hypothyroidism. All they are taught is do a TSH and give T4. And they don't care to learn. After all they are DOCTORS .....bow here or genuflect.... and they know everything. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 " Why on earth wouldn't a doc follow up on that???? " It ain't THEIR body? They don't care? Maybe cause once it shas destroyed your thyroid glans,they have a patient and income form you for life? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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