RE: NOT Top Doc

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In a message dated 5/25/2004 11:23:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

> He said he is a not a real

> believer in Armour and I should try someone else..... unbelievable......

i think we need to start filing complaints with our state medical boards

about doc who will not prescribe Armour.

Cindi

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In a message dated 5/26/2004 8:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> I have a few other complaints I'd like to file against the

> doctor I just left. How do we do that!!

>

in the US, just do a search for your state's medical board ...they will have

a complaint procedure on their web site.

Cindi

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wow...just goes to show you! at least that doctor was honest with you!

the dr. I just chose, and haven't seen yet, is a DO - which is one good thing.

The pharmacy said she has prescribed ARMOUR - but I don't kow how recently or if

she does it on a routine basis -

A problem I ran into was when I called doctors offices, the girls didn't have a

clue, and they refused to find out for me. I gave up on that method.

You'll hear from me next week - after my apt. I'll either be writing in a state

of I can't believe it - she is wonderful, or she wouldn't listen to me!!

(LOL I remembered to trim here, and there wasn't much here to trim!! )

NOT Top Doc

Get this. I am having trouble finding a new doctor who accepts my insurance

plan and also prescribes Armour. Of the doctors on the Armour Thyroid

website, only one in my area accepts my health plan. I called him, and

he said I should keep calling other doctors until I find one who will

prescribe Armour! I was flabbergasted. He said he is a not a real

believer in Armour and I should try someone else..... unbelievable......

joan

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excellent idea - I have a few other complaints I'd like to file against the

doctor I just left. How do we do that!!

Cris

In a message dated 5/25/2004 11:23:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

i think we need to start filing complaints with our state medical boards

about doc who will not prescribe Armour.

Cindi

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Of the doctors on the Armour Thyroid

website, only one in my area accepts my health plan. I called him, and

he said I should keep calling other doctors until I find one who will

prescribe Armour! I was flabbergasted. He said he is a not a real

believer in Armour and I should try someone else..... unbelievable......

joan

So why is this doc on the armour website then? I would at least contact

Armour, and get him off of there.

nne

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>He said he is a not a real believer in Armour and I should try

>someone else..... unbelievable......

Oh yeah. Then I guess I have imagined that my life did a 360 degree

turnaround when I switched to Armour, that my better health is not

believeable, that I can now go on a hike that I used to avoid like a

plague, that I can now LIVE. Gee, there is NOTHING to believe in

here.

DOCS ARE IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Janie

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Many of the doctor listed both on the Armour site and on Shomon's Top Doc

list have been found not to follow through with what was thought to be a

sure-fire thing. The deal is that many of these docs come from recommendations

that patients have given, NOT any kind of proof that they will prescribe Armour

or will have the protocol that we know is the right one.

NOT Top Doc

Get this. I am having trouble finding a new doctor who accepts my insurance

plan and also prescribes Armour. Of the doctors on the Armour Thyroid

website, only one in my area accepts my health plan. I called him, and

he said I should keep calling other doctors until I find one who will

prescribe Armour! I was flabbergasted. He said he is a not a real

believer in Armour and I should try someone else..... unbelievable......

joan

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This isn't always the fault of the office staffs. Many times a doctor has given

strict orders not to bother him/her with a phone conversation, and that any

person calling for questions MUST make an appointment, in order to get

information. A money thing sometimes, and sometimes his/her fear of being

eventually reported to the Medical Boards for Standard of Care violations, i.e.,

not doing a physical exam before making a decision on a patient. I found this

out by reading the full disclosure and proceedings on the reprimanding of Dr.

Domminnisse (spelling?). I'm not saying that some of the stuff that he did or

didn't do was ok or not ok, I'm just saying that this was the main thing he got

in trouble for----not doing physical exams and not establishing medical reasons

for specific protocol. Telemedicine is great, but it has it's consequences for

some doctors and patients. It's always a risk. I do think it's ridiculous and

going to dumb extremes, not to be able to answer a simple question that is not

specific to one patient, like " Do you EVER prescribe Armour for patients, not

just for ME? "

Re: NOT Top Doc

wow...just goes to show you! at least that doctor was honest with you!

the dr. I just chose, and haven't seen yet, is a DO - which is one good thing.

The pharmacy said she has prescribed ARMOUR - but I don't kow how recently or

if

she does it on a routine basis -

A problem I ran into was when I called doctors offices, the girls didn't have

a

clue, and they refused to find out for me.......

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Armour is such a small company, so I could hardly believe this, but could it be

perks, etc??? Then again, some docs might agree to be on a list to drum up

business, but evidently, not this doc, because he told the patient to " move on "

to someone that does prescribe it. ????

RE: NOT Top Doc

So why is this doc on the armour website then? I would at least contact

Armour, and get him off of there.

nne

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Yes, in Texas, it is the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, and I can't

remember their web address, but probably any of them could be gotten easily on a

simple search, for instance, let's say, " Arizona State Board of Medical

Examiners " , and so-on.

Re: NOT Top Doc

In a message dated 5/26/2004 8:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> I have a few other complaints I'd like to file against the

> doctor I just left. How do we do that!!

>

in the US, just do a search for your state's medical board ...they will have

a complaint procedure on their web site.

Cindi

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Thank you!

I found it.... I can't see me really doing it though.

I have no proof that my dr. isn't a very nice man -

that he is rude and condecending and says it is me

who is nuts - a hypochondriac because he has treated my thryoid after I begged

him to - and he can't find any reasons that I would be in pain - so it is all in

my head.

even though there is no evidence that I have ever received drugs for my pains -

I had something once, I was soooo ill, I had my son drive me to his office. He

totally blew me off. It may have been a virus, but it lasted so long, and I

couldn't take it any longer. I should have gone to the ER I guess - but that is

always at least a 3 hour wait, and I was too ill to sit there 3 hours just to

get to the back to sit another 2 hours to be seen.

my new doctor has to be better than this man was.

Cris

Re: NOT Top Doc

In a message dated 5/26/2004 8:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> I have a few other complaints I'd like to file against the

> doctor I just left. How do we do that!!

>

in the US, just do a search for your state's medical board ...they will have

a complaint procedure on their web site.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

LOL - exactly!!

I know that some of the girls in the office I am leaving have a 'God' complex -

I believe one was let go for it a few years ago. The main offender there, is

their referral person.... she's a doctor wannabe - and isn't even a nurse or a

Nurse Practitioner. she's mainly their book keeper!!

but some practices I called, were very rude. That is a sign that I wouldn't want

to go there anyway.

Cris

Re: NOT Top Doc

wow...just goes to show you! at least that doctor was honest with you!

the dr. I just chose, and haven't seen yet, is a DO - which is one good thing.

The pharmacy said she has prescribed ARMOUR - but I don't kow how recently or

if

she does it on a routine basis -

A problem I ran into was when I called doctors offices, the girls didn't have

a

clue, and they refused to find out for me.......

[Guest guest]

just like the list from the pharmacy - I know the one I chose has prescribed it

- but I don't have a clue if she will for me, or how often she does.

Cris....counting the days until she sees her new doctor.

NOT Top Doc

Get this. I am having trouble finding a new doctor who accepts my insurance

plan and also prescribes Armour. Of the doctors on the Armour Thyroid

website, only one in my area accepts my health plan. I called him, and

he said I should keep calling other doctors until I find one who will

prescribe Armour! I was flabbergasted. He said he is a not a real

believer in Armour and I should try someone else..... unbelievable......

joan

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I'd hate to think what the doc would do if he/she knew the office staff was

making these decisions in their behalf, but then, as you said, guess somebody

got fired, so there ya go. And that's something else that docs can be sited

for, failure to have a reliable, competent, organized office staff. They can be

drug to the state boards for that even.

Re: NOT Top Doc

LOL - exactly!!

I know that some of the girls in the office I am leaving have a 'God' complex

- I believe one was let go for it a few years ago. The main offender there, is

their referral person.... she's a doctor wannabe - and isn't even a nurse or a

Nurse Practitioner. she's mainly their book keeper!!

but some practices I called, were very rude. That is a sign that I wouldn't

want to go there anyway.

Cris

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Yeah, I've been through two of them personally. Either of them might have been

fine

if I'd been " lucky " enough to have a high TSH. There really needs to be a

separate list

of doctors who understand the limits of blood tests, who *prefer* Armour and

will use it

unless there is some reason not to, and will dose by symptoms, at least

partially.

It would be a very short list, I suspect.

If you go to one of these " top " docs with a TSH in the 1.5-3 range, you can (in

my

experience) expect to be patronized, have your symptoms explained away in the

most

absurd ways, given vitamin shots, tested for fibromyalgia, put through $1000

bucks

or so of expensive and useless allergy testing, and on and on, at least

until the yacht is paid off. These doctors generally won't tell you to get

lost,

they'll just keep doing more and more bizarre things until you've had enough.

Probably the wierdest thing was what my first " top " doc wanted to do -- he

wanted

me to go to a dentist and have them inject novocaine into the spots where my

wisdom teeth used to be " and then see if my symptoms improved " . Uh yeah, see,

the thing is, NO. In fact, not just NO, $ & *#$ NO.

They won't run out of wacky " treatment " ideas until you run out of money.

Oops. This was a touch bitter huh?

Sorry. Deep cleansing breath.....

-- prr

P.S. self-treating, on 1 grain and already feeling better

Took my daughter to the park for lunch and actually played with her.

So stick *that* in your wisdom tooth socket, mister top doc.

P.P.S Oops, bitter again. Sorry!

> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:56:37 -0500

>

> Subject: Re: NOT Top Doc

>

> Many of the doctor listed both on the Armour site and on Shomon's Top Doc

list

> have been found not to follow through with what was thought to be a sure-fire

thing.

> The deal is that many of these docs come from recommendations that patients

have given,

> NOT any kind of proof that they will prescribe Armour or will have the

protocol that we

> know is the right one.

>

>

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In a message dated 5/27/2004 4:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

.Ross@... writes:

> Oops. This was a touch bitter huh?

>

>

I feel your pain. Really, I do. I have it too.

Cindi

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> P.S. self-treating, on 1 grain and already feeling better

> Took my daughter to the park for lunch and actually played with her.

> So stick *that* in your wisdom tooth socket, mister top doc.

CLAPPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Janie

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Mental Pause! I like it. :-)

-- prr

My " top doc " told me my expectations were too high, that I was being

too hard on myself, that I needed to find something that would

ENERGIZE me and not drain me, and my favorite, (drum roll please),

MENOPAUSE. I asked her just how long does it take to approach

menopause, because I've been struggling with these symptoms for the

past 15 years and now all of a sudden, it's menopause, or should we

say " MENTAL PAUSE, " cause I've had plenty of those too. Oh well,

still looking. Hang in there.

[Guest guest]

And it's not that what we have is SO awful. So many people have it

so much worse. It's just that what we have is SO EASILY TREATED if

they would just GIVE US WHAT WE NEED without all of the nonsense.

Honestly, it's really not that hard to fix if they would just PULL

THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR see, there I go again.

I know I felt like giving him a few empty tooth sockets himself.

Sorry. Doing it again.

At least we have people who understand.

thx! -- prr

(who had a fun day at the park with his daughter and is now paying

for it)

> In a message dated 5/27/2004 4:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> .Ross@c... writes:

>

> > Oops. This was a touch bitter huh?

> >

> >

>

> I feel your pain. Really, I do. I have it too.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya know, think about it? The company that makes Armour has so many people using

it that they literally ran out of it! Being as they don't hype the product,

then the patients must be speaking for it. That speaks for itself! Got to be

something to it. We don't take that product because we're forced to, we take it

because it makes us FEEL better. Gosh docs, get a clue or some common sense

about this, et al...

Re: NOT Top Doc

Yeah, I've been through two of them personally. Either of them might have

been fine

if I'd been " lucky " enough to have a high TSH. There really needs to be a

separate list

of doctors who understand the limits of blood tests, who *prefer* Armour and

will use it

unless there is some reason not to, and will dose by symptoms, at least

partially.

It would be a very short list, I suspect.

[Guest guest]

And the sickening part is that it was a woman telling you this! May God bless

her with a difficult menopause, thyroid ailments, and so on, that last forever!

Then someone pat her on the head and give her a tranquilizer, an antidepressant,

and say, that'll be $500.

Re: Re: NOT Top Doc

My " top doc " told me my expectations were too high, that I was being too hard

on myself, that I needed to find something that would ENERGIZE me and not drain

me, and my favorite, (drum roll please), MENOPAUSE. I asked her just how long

does it take to approach menopause, because I've been struggling with these

symptoms for the past 15 years and now all of a sudden, it's menopause, or

should we say " MENTAL PAUSE, " cause I've had plenty of those too. Oh well,

still looking. Hang in there.

Jean

[Guest guest]

Part of it was due to the lack of availbility with Thyrolar and those

patients being prescribed Armour.

Louise

> Ya know, think about it? The company that makes Armour has so many

people using it that they literally ran out of it! Being as they

don't hype the product, then the patients must be speaking for it.

That speaks for itself! Got to be something to it. We don't take

that product because we're forced to, we take it because it makes us

FEEL better. Gosh docs, get a clue or some common sense about this,

et al...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what happened the 1st time was that the dr. told me to have bloodwork done in 6

weeks or something like that, and he'd mail the script to me. I didn't get the

script, so called for it, and the lady answering refused to talk to anyone, put

me thru to anyone - I tried to explain to her that the doctor told me to have

this, and she said they didn't do it 'that way' in that office and I had to be

seen toget bloodwork done. Arguing didn't work, so I made an apt. Paid my

money 1st and they called me in and asked what Iwas there for, and I said, to

pick up my bloodwork script. so they asked why I made the apt. and I explained.

She (nurse) shook her head and asked if I would mind waiting to tell thedr.

this. Gave me my money back. finally said she talked to the dr. and I didn't

need tostay. but they had been having so many problems with that lady -

receptionist, and their complaining got them no where, so they hoped if a

patient told the dr. it would make a difference. apparently it did.

NOW - with this other one - she's still there. Don't think they'd get rid of her

- toobad!!

Cris

ps - sorry about the typing- all of a sudden my keyboard isn't allowing spaces

without punching my space bar key!

Re: NOT Top Doc

I'd hate to think what the doc would do if he/she knew the office staff was

making these decisions in their behalf, but then, as you said, guess somebody

got fired, so there ya go. And that's something else that docs can be sited

for, failure to have a reliable, competent, organized office staff. They can be

drug to the state boards for that even.

[Guest guest]

what a strange thing to want to do - inject where teeth used to be!!

now - I've never even been 'lucky' enough to have a dr.willing toconsider

vitamins- shots or other wise.

Looking like I'll haveto replace this keyboard.....over used!!!LOL

Cris

Subject: Re: NOT Top Doc

Yeah, I've been through two of them personally. Either of them might have been

fine

if I'd been " lucky " enough to have a high TSH. There really needs to be a

separate list

of doctors who understand the limits of blood tests, who *prefer* Armour and

will use it

unless there is some reason not to, and will dose by symptoms, at least

partially.

Probably the wierdest thing was what my first " top " doc wanted to do -- he

wanted

me to go to a dentist and have them inject novocaine into the spots where my

wisdom teeth used to be " and then see if my symptoms improved " . Uh yeah, see,

the thing is, NO. In fact, not just NO, $ & *#$ NO.

They won't run out of wacky " treatment " ideas until you run out of money.