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Sharon,

You and Clayton are in my thoughts and prayers tonight. I just read your

post and it is so difficult for folks to understand the fear that is

associated with every " normal " medical procedure our kids have. I hope

Clayton wakes stronger and calmer on his next rising. Know that the you

are in the thoughts of so many of us who know that terror associated

with anesthesia and these special angels. My heart is with you tonight.

My little Jess seized yesterday with a reflux seizure and abnormally

long post ictal and a grand mal this morning... but after a nice

cleansing enema and a great bath... actually joined her classmates for

two hours today. Alas, I have extra energy and I'm sending it to you...

:-) sharon c.

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Sharon,

Phenobarbital can be toxic for mitochondria, so I have to wonder if that might

be responsible for some of

the symptoms that Clayton experienced. It is listed in the syllabus from the 97

UMDF Mito Conference as

well as the article on sedation and anesthesia by Shoffner and Cohen, in the

UMDF Newsletter.

Phenobarbital is a barbiturate and barburates can be toxic for mitochondrial

patients.

Jeannine

SDidinsky@... wrote:

> I broke down and called the hosp who

> informed me that it was not probably related to the sedation - yeah ok. Well

> he is sleeping now after I rocked him to sleep - but he does not look great -

> eyes all red puffy and very pale. We will keep an eye on him. Hope he

> remains stable.

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In a message dated 2/10/00 10:59:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, sawyer@...

writes:

<< Phenobarbital is a barbiturate and barburates can be toxic for

mitochondrial patients.

>>

It was not Phenotbarital per the neuro but was actucually Pentobarbital -

which is different per Phenobarbital. He had it is December with no problems

and this is what the neuro - who knows his diagnosis ordered.

SHaron

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In a message dated 2/11/00 8:06:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

SDidinsky@... writes:

<< Phenobarbital is a barbiturate and barburates can be toxic for

mitochondrial patients. >>

i am confused and wondering why orion was put on phenobarb... i know they

tried several different seizure meds before it, though... and they kept his

level pretty high. even so, after maybe 2 weeks, he would start again with

the seizures and they would need to increase it. it was a cycle...

how are barbiturates toxic for mito? can anyone explain to me how they

affect it? any info would be appreciated...

julia

orion's mommy

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thanks for the info jeannine... i wish i had a way of knowing if orion had

any bad effects from the phenobarb. i do think that it was a last resort med

for him, and i know that they put him in a phenobarb coma. i hate all of this

not knowing... i am just now learning so much that i didn't have a chance to

learn when orion was here... his condition deteriorated so rapidly, that we

will never know if any of it was from his meds, or what was from the disease,

etc... sorry to be depressing; i am having a tough time lately for some

reason...

julia

orion's mommy

9-18-98 to 2-3-99

familial erythrophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis and mito

In a message dated 2/12/00 12:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, sawyer@...

writes:

<< there was clear deterioration that did resolve somewhat when we

discontinued it. Unfortunately

though, we used it for years and I'm not sure that we will ever recoup from

the long term damage that was

done, but at least her disease appears to be far more stable than ever

before. Our mito doc feels that

this is primarily because she is no longer on phenabarb.

If your mitochondria aren't functioning at top capacity, then anything that

further compromises that

function can cause problems. Likewise, anything that you can do to boost

the function of inefficient

mitochondria also may help. For some people supplements play this role. Of

course it is a very

individual thing. My older daughter is not as severely affected as my

younger one and for her the

phenabarb didn't seem to have as negative effect. I do know that she did

better once she was off it

though.

Hope this helps.

Jeannine

>>

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Jaz739@... wrote:

>

> i am confused and wondering why orion was put on phenobarb... i know they

> tried several different seizure meds before it, though... and they kept his

> level pretty high. even so, after maybe 2 weeks, he would start again with

> the seizures and they would need to increase it. it was a cycle...

> how are barbiturates toxic for mito? can anyone explain to me how they

> affect it? any info would be appreciated...

, sometimes phenobarbital is the only alternative, and it has the advantage

of being able to be given

IV in an emergency as well as being able to give a large loading dose to get the

levels up quickly.

Sometimes that is the only concern, in an emergency situation and you just don't

have a choice.

Both of my girls were on phenabarb and my youngest appeared to do well on it.

But she continued to

deteriorate and we all assumed that it was the disease process. It wasn't until

one of our doctors

suggested that we switch to another anticonvulsant that we realized how much

damage it was actually doing.

It is my understanding that barbiturates like phenabarb impede mitochondrial

function. This is not to say

that some people can't use them, nor that some people don't tolerate them, as

well as have no choice. But

for us, there was clear deterioration that did resolve somewhat when we

discontinued it. Unfortunately

though, we used it for years and I'm not sure that we will ever recoup from the

long term damage that was

done, but at least her disease appears to be far more stable than ever before.

Our mito doc feels that

this is primarily because she is no longer on phenabarb.

If your mitochondria aren't functioning at top capacity, then anything that

further compromises that

function can cause problems. Likewise, anything that you can do to boost the

function of inefficient

mitochondria also may help. For some people supplements play this role. Of

course it is a very

individual thing. My older daughter is not as severely affected as my younger

one and for her the

phenabarb didn't seem to have as negative effect. I do know that she did better

once she was off it

though.

Hope this helps.

Jeannine

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In my daughter's case, phenobarb is necessary to control her seizures. We

tried weaning her off of it but her seizures started up again. While I would

prefer she not be on it, it seems a necessary evil in managing her problems.

Barbara

mom to Alison/22/melas

liver transplant due to depakote toxicity

In a message dated 02/12/2000 12:33 Eastern Standard Time, Jaz739@...

writes:

<< i am confused and wondering why orion was put on phenobarb... i know they

tried several different seizure meds before it, though... and they kept his

level pretty high. even so, after maybe 2 weeks, he would start again with

the seizures and they would need to increase it. it was a cycle...

how are barbiturates toxic for mito? can anyone explain to me how they

affect it? any info would be appreciated... >>

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>> In a message dated 2/11/00 8:06:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>> SDidinsky@... writes:

>>

>> << Phenobarbital is a barbiturate and barburates can be toxic for

>> mitochondrial patients. >>

>> i am confused and wondering why orion was put on phenobarb... i know they

>> tried several different seizure meds before it, though... and they kept his

>> level pretty high. even so, after maybe 2 weeks, he would start again with

>> the seizures and they would need to increase it. it was a cycle...

>>

>> julia

>> orion's mommy

>>

>

, I don't know if this thought will help, but has also been tried

with so many

anticonvulsants and it is only the last couple of years that we have not faced

status /ER situations

where Jess would grand mal seize for 20 minutes to an hour even with

intervention. The drug that NO one

can believe has made the difference is Klonopin (now being used with

Topimax)... I wonder if it was

adding the Klonopin or removing the other toxic drugs altogether that has helped

us gain control. Jess is

now only having 6-7 grand mal seizures a month which is wonderful for her. Just

thought it might help to

see that sometimes it's other that the typical anti-seizure drugs that help the

seizure control.

Sharon

's mom

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