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, when you go on a " vacation " sometimes it takes a little while to get

back on track. And remember...that sandwich had two slices of bread and

unless you specifically got lowcarb bread, that would raise your BGs.

Try Really Cutting Back on the carbs. I think you'll see results. Don't get

discouraged...diabetes is a progressive disease and very often it's one step

forward and two steps backwards. Also...even if you it seems you have things

under control for a while, Things Change. For all of us. And adjustments

have to be made.

Best to keep testing a lot...write everything down...watch your portion sizes

too. If you don't have a food scale I suggest you get one.

Vicki

In a message dated 09/09/2002 6:26:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

misscindy8@... writes:

>

> I'm working soooo hard, why am I not succeeding????? Especially when I was

> succeeding just 2 weeks ago on the very same diet??? Do I need more meds?

> Different meds?

>

>

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, when you go on a " vacation " sometimes it takes a little while to get

back on track. And remember...that sandwich had two slices of bread and

unless you specifically got lowcarb bread, that would raise your BGs.

Try Really Cutting Back on the carbs. I think you'll see results. Don't get

discouraged...diabetes is a progressive disease and very often it's one step

forward and two steps backwards. Also...even if you it seems you have things

under control for a while, Things Change. For all of us. And adjustments

have to be made.

Best to keep testing a lot...write everything down...watch your portion sizes

too. If you don't have a food scale I suggest you get one.

Vicki

In a message dated 09/09/2002 6:26:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

misscindy8@... writes:

>

> I'm working soooo hard, why am I not succeeding????? Especially when I was

> succeeding just 2 weeks ago on the very same diet??? Do I need more meds?

> Different meds?

>

>

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>

> I have been a bit discouraged this past week as I can not seem to get my

> sugar levels to drop. 2 weeks ago I was pretty steady between 110 and 130,

> mostly staying under 120 except after the occassional meal.

>

> Then I ran out of strips and for 2 1/2 days I cheated, ... got right back on

the

> diet I'd been following the prior week.

> More times than I'd like to admit, my levels have been closer to

> 245, sometime dropping to 188 with a very few occassions when my fasting

> levels were 136 and then 126 (only happened once each time).

>

> On Saturday morning I ate a home made egg sandwich and 2 hours later my bgs

> were 142, not too bad. But the next day I ate the exact same egg sandwith

> and 2 hours later my bgs were 245, what is going on????

>

> I'm working soooo hard, why am I not succeeding????? Especially when I was

> succeeding just 2 weeks ago on the very same diet??? Do I need more meds?

> Different meds?

> in Manassas Type 2 Glucophage Zestril Moderate carbs (90 per day)

,

I am sorry you are struggling since " falling of the wagon " .

Unfortunately, what you are experiencing is not that uncommon. When we

get our body used to a certain regimen and have good bg control,

changing from that (in your case by the " 2 1/2 day cheat " ), disrupts

the functioning of the various body systems and it can take awhile to

regain control. It's happened to me (a long time ago), and since that

episode, I try " very hard " to stay on my very LC WOE, and the problem

hasn't recurred.

I notice from your signature line that you are eating 90grams of carbs

per day. I would suggest that, while trying to get things back in

order, you reduce your carb consumption substantially (say Bernstein

level of 30grams/day) until control is regained. When that happens,

you could then start adding carbs back into your diet and, if you do

that gradually, you will discover what level your body can handle for

your current level of activity and the meds you are taking.

I personally wouldn't suggest that you change meds until at least

trying to regain you previous bg levels by cutting carbs (just MHO).

It could take days or weeks to get back to where you were previously

(bg-wise), but its worth the effort, as I am sure you know. This

episode should perhaps cause you to re-think it the next time you are

tempted to " cheat " .

Unfortunately, diabetes won't let us alone for a single second, and

requires us to be pretty regimented if we are to maintain those

" really good " levels of control. Drifting away from our chosen WOE

(whatever that may be) frequently leads to situations such as you are

experiencing.

Just know that you very likely can regain control, it will just take

some extra effort for at least a little while.

Oregon

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, here's an excerpt from Dr Bernstein's book (in case you haven't read

it) about what you can expect if you can achieve normal blood sugars...so

don't be discouraged. Keep working on getting your A1C to nondiabetic

numbers...lots of us have gotten there. Vicki

<<

What You Can Expect from Virtually Normal Blood Sugars

K. Bernstein, M.D., F.A.C.E., F.A.C.N., C.W.S. I am convinced, from

my personal experience, from the experiences of my patients, and from reading

the scientific literature, that peo­ple with normal blood sugars do not

develop the long-term compli­cations of diabetes. I am further convinced that

diabetics with slightly elevated blood glucose profiles may eventually

develop some of the long-term complications of diabetes, but they will

develop more slowly and likely be less severe. In this feature, I will try to

describe some of the changes that I and other physicians have observed when

the blood sug­ars of our patients dramatically improve.

MENTAL CHANGES

Most common, perhaps, is the feeling of being more alert, and no longer

chronically tired. Many people who “feel perfectly fine†before their blood

sugars are normalized comment later that they had no idea they could feel so

much better. Another common occurrence relates to short-term memory. Very

frequently patients or spouses will refer to their “terrible memory.†When I

first began my medical practice, I would ask patients to phone me at night

with their blood sugar data for fine-tuning of medications. My wife, a

physician specializing in psychoanalytic medicine, some­times overheard my

end of the conversation and would comment, “That person has a dementia.â€

Weeks later, she would again hear my end of a conversation with the same

individual, and would comment on the great improvement of short-term memory.

This became so common that I introduced an objective test for short-term

memory into the neu­rologic exam that I perform on all new patients. About

half my new pa­tients indeed display this mild form of dementia, which

appears to lift after several weeks of improved blood sugar. The improvement

is usually quite apparent to spouses.

DIABETIC NEUROPATHIES

Diabetic neuropathies seem to improve in two phases a rapid partial

improvement that may occur within weeks, followed by sustained very slow

improvement that goes on for years if blood sugars continue to re­main

normal. This is most apparent with numbness or pain in the toes. Some people

will even comment, “I know right away if my blood sugar is high, because my

toes feel numb again.†On the other hand, several patients with total

numbness of their feet have complained of severe pain after several months of

near normal blood sugars. This continues for a number of months and

eventually resolves as sensation returns. It is as if nerves generate pain

signals while they heal or “sprout?’ The ex­perience may be very

frightening

and distressing, especially if you haven’t been warned that it might occur.

Erectile impotence affects about 65% of diabetic males, and is the re­sult of

years of elevated blood sugars. It may be defined as an inability to maintain

a rigid enough penile erection for adequate time to perform intercourse. It

usually results from neuropathy, blocked blood vessels, or both. We can

perform simple tests to determine which of these causes predominates. When

the problem is principally neurologic, I frequently hear the comment,

sometimes after only a few weeks of near-normal blood sugar profiles, “Hey,

I’

m able to have intercourse again!†Unfor­tunately, this turnaround only

appears to occur if the man was able to attain at least partial erections

before. If at the original interview, I’m told, “Doc, it’s been dead for

years;’ I know recovery is unlikely to occur. If testing shows that the

problem was due primarily to blocked blood vessels, I never see improvement.

Note, however, that it’s normal to be unable to have erections when blood

sugars are too low, say below 75 mg/dl. Another remarkable change relates to

autonomic neuropathy and associated gastroparesis. I have documented major

improvement of R-R interval studies in many patients, and total normalization

in a few. Along with this, we see reduction in symptoms of gastroparesis.

Usually such improvement takes place over a period of years. Although it

occurs most dramatically in younger people, I’ve also seen it occur in

seventy-­year-olds. VISION IMPROVEMENTS Diplopia, or double vision, is

caused by neuropathy of the nerves that activate the muscles that move the

eyes. It is a very common finding on physical examination, but rarely severe

enough to be noticed by patients on a day-to-day basis. Here, again, when

testing is redone after a few years, we find improvement or even total cures

with blood sugar im­provement. Vacuoles are tiny bubbles in the lens of the

eye. They are thought to be precursors of cataracts. I have seen a number of

these vanish after a year or two of improved blood sugars. I have even seen

the disappear­ance of small spokes on the lens that signify very early

cataracts. I’ve seen cases of glaucoma cured by normalization of blood

sugars.

OTHER IMPROVEMENTS

Improvements in risk factors for heart disease, such as mild hyperten­sion,

HDL-cholesterol ratios, triglycerides, and fibrinogen levels, are

commonplace. They usually can be observed after about two months. Similarly,

improvements in early changes noted on renal risk profiles are often

obtained, usually after one or two years, but sometimes after a few months.

Most dramatic and commonplace is the feeling of satisfaction and control that

nearly everyone experiences when they produce normal blood sugar profiles,

HgbA1c between 4.2 and 4.6%. This is especially true for individuals who had

al­ready been taking insulin, but appears also to occur in those who do not

take insulin. Last but not least is the feeling that we are not doomed to

share the fate of others we have known, who died prematurely after years of

disabling or painful diabetic complications. We come to realize that with the

ability to control our blood sugars comes the ability to prevent the

consequences of high blood sugars. I have long maintained that diabetics are

entitled to the same blood sug­ars as nondiabetics. But it is up to us to see

that we achieve this goal. Printer Friendly VersionThe above was abstracted

from Dr. Bernstein’s book “Diabetes Solutionâ€. To view other advice from

Dr.

Bernstein go to <A

HREF= " http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm " >www.diabetesincontr\

ol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm</A>

In a message dated 09/10/2002 5:41:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

misscindy8@... writes:

> Vicki, does " progressive " mean that no matter what I do, this disease is

> going to get worse? No matter how hard I work, no matter what I try, no

> matter what I do without, it's going to " get " me in the end????

>

> in Manassas

> Type 2

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Vicki, does " progressive " mean that no matter what I do, this disease is

going to get worse? No matter how hard I work, no matter what I try, no

matter what I do without, it's going to " get " me in the end????

in Manassas

Type 2

Glucophage

Zestril

Moderate carbs (90 per day)

> Re: What's going on???

> diabetes is a progressive disease and very often

> it's one step

> forward and two steps backwards.

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, how long do you think it would take for me to regain control of my

sugar levels?

What I'd really like to do is throw a good old fashioned temper tantrum and

scream " IT'S NOT FAIR " to whoever will listen. But I know that will do no

good (sigh). Sometimes having self-control is a difficult thing.

in Manassas

(Feeling quite wussy right now)

Type 2

Glucophage

Zestril

Moderate carbs (90 per day)

> Re: What's going on???

>

>>

> I notice from your signature line that you are eating 90grams of carbs

> per day. I would suggest that, while trying to get things back in

> order, you reduce your carb consumption substantially (say Bernstein

> level of 30grams/day) until control is regained. When that happens,

> you could then start adding carbs back into your diet and, if you do

> that gradually, you will discover what level your body can handle for

> your current level of activity and the meds you are taking.

>

>

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Well, yes--but you can delay 'the end' for as long as possible.

RE: What's going on???

Vicki, does " progressive " mean that no matter what I do, this disease is

going to get worse? No matter how hard I work, no matter what I try, no

matter what I do without, it's going to " get " me in the end????

in Manassas

Type 2

Glucophage

Zestril

Moderate carbs (90 per day)

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Latent autoimmune diabetes in adults. In other words, what used to be called

juvenile diabetes type 1...except I got it at age 60, smile.

Vicki

In a message dated 09/11/2002 8:29:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

rjenkins@... writes:

> What is LADA?

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I'm not Vicki but " progressive " does not necessarily mean that your disease

is going to get worse no matter how hard you work at it. It does mean,

however, that it can change rapidly and unless you are in control of it.it

will be in control of you and it WILL get worse. Everything about this

disease is a bewilderment to us all. That's why we have this " saying " of

YMMV. What works for one of us may not work for everyone, and what works

for us today may not work for us tomorrow.

*sigh*

Tootie

Vicki, does " progressive " mean that no matter what I do, this disease is

going to get worse? No matter how hard I work, no matter what I try, no

matter what I do without, it's going to " get " me in the end????

in Manassas

..

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