Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 I don't have a specific exercise like that, but an idea that I had for countering the homogenizing of 12 step groups is to keep a " Who am I " journal, in which I write down who I am, what I like, what I don't like, to establish an identity which has nothing to do with others' expectations of me. Apple eudaimon8413311-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10238 > Any ideas for exercises for a person to do when they are learning to " think > for themselves " all over again? And maybe had trouble doing it to start with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 At 08:44 PM 12/9/99 -0800, Apple wrote: >I don't have a specific exercise like that, but an idea that I had for >countering the homogenizing of 12 step groups is to keep a " Who am I " >journal, in which I write down who I am, what I like, what I don't >like, to establish an identity which has nothing to do with others' >expectations of me. >Apple > > >eudaimon8413311-@... wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10238 >> Any ideas for exercises for a person to do when they are learning to > " think >> for themselves " all over again? And maybe had trouble doing it to >start with? Also, I remember how much reading books on cults helped. It helped to show me in what ways I had let AA do my thinking for me. As an example, my sponsor expanded one slogan to be " Don't drink, don't think, and go to meetings. " As I started to gain my identity as a human being, I lost my identity as a " recovering alcoholic " or an alcoholic (though I still have traces of my intentionally-made-up-for-self-defense-in-AA " Grateful Recovering Alcoholic " sarcastic personality). ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 This sounds like an excellent idea. I'll try it out, thanks. In a message dated 12/9/99 10:49:50 PM Central Standard Time, appledtp@... writes: << I don't have a specific exercise like that, but an idea that I had for countering the homogenizing of 12 step groups is to keep a " Who am I " journal, in which I write down who I am, what I like, what I don't like, to establish an identity which has nothing to do with others' expectations of me. Apple >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 What I've read of them has helped so far. Stuff on the AAdeprogramming site, I also have Peele's " The Truth About Addiction and Recovery, " and some other things. I think I still have a way to go yet, but so far Ayn Rand, Albert Ellis and other writers in the individualist, self-empowerment school of thought seem to be good for this sort of thing. I have had a number of therapists and am wary of getting another one, but I think if I could find a good cognitive therapist I just might try it out. In a message dated 12/9/99 11:09:51 PM Central Standard Time, benbradley@... writes: << Also, I remember how much reading books on cults helped. It helped to show me in what ways I had let AA do my thinking for me. As an example, my sponsor expanded one slogan to be " Don't drink, don't think, and go to meetings. " As I started to gain my identity as a human being, I lost my identity as a " recovering alcoholic " or an alcoholic (though I still have traces of my intentionally-made-up-for-self-defense-in-AA " Grateful Recovering Alcoholic " sarcastic personality). >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 i had troubl with that when i first left aa, took me about 9-12 months to shake most of their programing out of my brain, but i was only in aa for a 18 months. what i did was i started to do research on things which i was doubtful of in regards to aa, such as cults, Ken R's book, newsgroups etc. what this help me was to see that i wasnt alone as AA would have me belive upon leaving them. i also did the things i wanted to do with myself that i was told i shouldnt (for they would reduce the time i could devote to aa and the group and " such things NEVER kept anyone sober " ) such as taking up new healthier hobbies and activites. but the msot important thing i tried to manintain is a belief in own abilities and motavations. those are some of things they hammer at the most when you walk into their sick rooms. they convince you that you are incapable of making sane descions for yourself (thus " turn it over " ), that only good things you have done with yourself are due to aa and your involvement with them, that if you leave you will be worse than when you first came in and you will die drunk etc.. this of course is self serving bullshit on their part to scare you to stay with them. its first thing you shoudld be rid of as well. what kind of " self-help " group teaches you are helpless and feeble and cant trust your own self reliance? very sick. AA is a self helplessness group. dave eudaimon8413311-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10238 > Any ideas for exercises for a person to do when they are learning to " think > for themselves " all over again? And maybe had trouble doing it to start with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Hi Everyone- I have a question about the Clomid. My Dr. is going to start me on it this month after this period. I have heard alot of talk about how it thins the lining, do we know for sure this happens? Is there something else I should talk to him about taking, he of course is going to messure my lining before putting me on this, he has already discussed that but he isn't worried about it thining any or doesn't seem to be. Any thoughts would be nice! Thanks, Kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Everything that I have read...and my Dr. also told me, says that clomid thins the lining. Mostly because it interferes w/estrogen I guess. I went on it for 3 months(before I met this group and was concerned about my lining), and the last month my lining was checked mid-cycle..and it was at 4mm.. I think that it doesnt do any damage or take away lining from what you already have, it just doesn't allow it to thicken. So if you are in the "normal" range of endometrial thickness, it may not matter. But like most of us...you need all the build-up that you can get. Anyone else with thoughts on this? cheryl >I have a question about the Clomid. My Dr. is going to start me on>it this month after this period. I have heard alot of talk about how >it thins the lining, do we know for sure this happens? Is there >something else I should talk to him about taking, he of course is >going to messure my lining before putting me on this, he has already >discussed that but he isn't worried about it thining any or doesn't >seem to be. Any thoughts would be nice! > >Thanks, > >Kendra > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 HI kendra. I have heard that clomid thins the lining if it is used for more than three consecutive months at higher dosages.. are you starting on the 50 mg clomid.. should not be a problem.. strangely enough way back when after on e of my surgeries,, my olining was only a 2mm.. my ob gyn gave me clomid to trick the uterus into become better prepared for implantation,, it worked as i got preg and my lining was thicker than the 2m.. unfortunately not thick enough ( but this was before i knew that is hould have had a specialist and they would have never done that.. ughhh). good luck, janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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