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I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry about

how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying to

understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

Many moons ago when I used to get so caught up on how the person with BPD in my

life felt, a big portion of my pain was worrying about their feelings. But

another aspect that caused me distress was worrying what other people would

think. (The other people in the BP's life.) I worry partly because of the

smear/hate campaigns, which cause me a great deal of stress. But why can't I

just let it roll off me? I don't know why it matters so much.

I'm not sure if I'm wording this right. I've actually made some really bad

decisions (for example, when I dated someone with BPD a long time ago, staying

with that person longer because I dreaded being put on the " permanently hated "

list. I worried what he would tell our mutual friends, etc. With my current-day

trigger, I have long since learned that there is no point whatsoever in me

trying to get back in the BP's favor. So I'm done agonizing over that. But it

still REALLY stresses me out how I'm perceived by other nonBPs as a result of

the smear campaign.

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I use to worry a lot about what other people thought. For one reason was I

spent my entire life being harshly judged by nada and it was just devastating to

think others would do the same...so I'd try to avoid it at all costs.

On a deeper level, I see now that I kept looking outward for approval because I

was unable to give it to myself. Now that I've learned to love myself and

accept myself to a greater degree than ever before, what others think of me does

not matter so much.

I had a wise mentor tell me once that " What other people think of me is none of

my business. " Another time she said " You can be the sweetest ripest juiciest

plum ever created, but some people just don't like plums...and that's ok. "

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how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying to

understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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> Many moons ago when I used to get so caught up on how the person with BPD in

my life felt, a big portion of my pain was worrying about their feelings. But

another aspect that caused me distress was worrying what other people would

think. (The other people in the BP's life.) I worry partly because of the

smear/hate campaigns, which cause me a great deal of stress. But why can't I

just let it roll off me? I don't know why it matters so much.

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> I'm not sure if I'm wording this right. I've actually made some really bad

decisions (for example, when I dated someone with BPD a long time ago, staying

with that person longer because I dreaded being put on the " permanently hated "

list. I worried what he would tell our mutual friends, etc. With my current-day

trigger, I have long since learned that there is no point whatsoever in me

trying to get back in the BP's favor. So I'm done agonizing over that. But it

still REALLY stresses me out how I'm perceived by other nonBPs as a result of

the smear campaign.

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> I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry about

how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying to

understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

I'd like to know too. I struggle with this too.

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I think both and Ashana worded it very well. I think what I am believing

(as I continue to flesh it all out in my own mind, so pls bear with me) is that

my identity was always derived from others ... I was not *allowed* to develop an

identity for myself. Whatever I did was wrong and unacceptable and inadequate,

so of course my worth had to come from elsewhere ~ it did not exist within me!

Thus, if someone thinks poorly of me, guess what - I have to think poorly of me

also. There is no built in 'security system' against that. It was not ever

allowed or encouraged to develop. I existed for the purpose/service of others;

that defined me. I do not have any innate value, I cannot exist based on my own

merit, I must win approval from others to have any worth whatsoever. If they

dislike me, I am unworthy. And that's a terrifying prospect. So of couse I care

what they think about me, because I don't want to cease to be, which is what

will basically happen if I don't have their approval. Does that make any sense

at all??? (Sorry, my brain has been so foggy this month...) Just delete me and

keep going if it sounds as wacky as I feel right now. (I'm in the midst of

adjusting meds... : /)

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about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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I think both and Ashana worded it very well. I think what I am believing

(as I continue to flesh it all out in my own mind, so pls bear with me) is that

my identity was always derived from others ... I was not *allowed* to develop an

identity for myself. Whatever I did was wrong and unacceptable and inadequate,

so of course my worth had to come from elsewhere ~ it did not exist within me!

Thus, if someone thinks poorly of me, guess what - I have to think poorly of me

also. There is no built in 'security system' against that. It was not ever

allowed or encouraged to develop. I existed for the purpose/service of others;

that defined me. I do not have any innate value, I cannot exist based on my own

merit, I must win approval from others to have any worth whatsoever. If they

dislike me, I am unworthy. And that's a terrifying prospect. So of couse I care

what they think about me, because I don't want to cease to be, which is what

will basically happen if I don't have their approval. Does that make any sense

at all??? (Sorry, my brain has been so foggy this month...) Just delete me and

keep going if it sounds as wacky as I feel right now. (I'm in the midst of

adjusting meds... : /)

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> > I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry

about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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> I'd like to know too. I struggle with this too.

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> Abby

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I think you may have hit on something with the " prelude to disaster "

part. Maybe that's playing a big role too, since my mother's twisting

of events often led to outbursts by my father, and/or disapproval from

her " flying monkeys. " (I forget who to give credit to for that term,

but I love it!) :-D

I should probably clarify something too... I don't care what people

think in terms of certain types of things (like the fact that I'm not a

fashionista

and that I like wearing comfortable clothes, etc.), but it drives me a

special kind of crazy when I feel like I'm misunderstood based on someone's

distortions of facts. If anyone

wants to say anything bad that's true about me, I'm fine. But if facts

get distorted and people perceive the situation inaccurately, it is

maddening for me. I can agonize over it in my head over and over, whereas I

think normal/healthy people let it roll off and don't care. I

don't even like seeing this happen in movies/books... when an innocent person is

falsely accused and/or misunderstood.

Thanks,

~Saturday (I figured I might as well give myself a 'name' that's easier to type

than Anonymous.)

To: WTOAdultChildren1

From: ashanamax@...

Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:39 -0700

Subject: Re: What Will People Think?

" ...so that sometimes I have gotten no information

about myself from others at all--whether negative or positive. I think

it's a different way of dealing with the same problem, which is a

vulnerability to the images of oneself that others have... "

" ...For me, there is another layer to this and maybe there is another layer

for others, as well, and that is that being seen inaccurately was

prelude to disaster when I was a kid. It meant my nada was crossing

the line from relative normalcy to a bpd dysregulated tantrum and was

going to be irrational and abusive in about 2 seconds... "

Take care,

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Yes-- all of the replies from everyone make perfect sense-- thanks. It helps to

know I'm not alone in feeling this way (although I certainly wouldn't wish it on

anyone). Any/all insights are greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone,

~Saturday

To: WTOAdultChildren1

From: monicaanne63@...

Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:08:23 +0000

Subject: Re: What Will People Think?

" ...Does that make any sense at all??? (Sorry, my brain has been so

foggy this month...)... "

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> > I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry

about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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> I'd like to know too. I struggle with this too.

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> Abby

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This does make sense, lots of sense. If we've been raised by a BPD parent who

views and treats us as a need-meeting-object, then we are going to internalize a

sense of self and self worth based on how well we are meeting other people's

needs! When I worry about what other people think of me, I'm basically worrying

about whether or not I'm meeting their needs/measuring up to their expectations.

Since I was trained to focus on meeting nada's needs/expectations, that's my

template for relationships.

I've always struggled with this issue, and had very little understanding of

why I thought/felt this way. Your post, and the other posts you mentioned,

illustrated the why of this issue in a profound way.

Thank you!

Kate

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> I think both and Ashana worded it very well. I think what I am believing

(as I continue to flesh it all out in my own mind, so pls bear with me) is that

my identity was always derived from others ... I was not *allowed* to develop an

identity for myself. Whatever I did was wrong and unacceptable and inadequate,

so of course my worth had to come from elsewhere ~ it did not exist within me!

Thus, if someone thinks poorly of me, guess what - I have to think poorly of me

also. There is no built in 'security system' against that. It was not ever

allowed or encouraged to develop. I existed for the purpose/service of others;

that defined me. I do not have any innate value, I cannot exist based on my own

merit, I must win approval from others to have any worth whatsoever. If they

dislike me, I am unworthy. And that's a terrifying prospect. So of couse I care

what they think about me, because I don't want to cease to be, which is what

will basically happen if I don't have their approval. Does that make any sense

at all??? (Sorry, my brain has been so foggy this month...) Just delete me and

keep going if it sounds as wacky as I feel right now. (I'm in the midst of

adjusting meds... : /)

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> > > I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry

about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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I constantly worry about what other people will think. I hate that about myself.

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> I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry about

how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying to

understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

>

> Many moons ago when I used to get so caught up on how the person with BPD in

my life felt, a big portion of my pain was worrying about their feelings. But

another aspect that caused me distress was worrying what other people would

think. (The other people in the BP's life.) I worry partly because of the

smear/hate campaigns, which cause me a great deal of stress. But why can't I

just let it roll off me? I don't know why it matters so much.

>

> I'm not sure if I'm wording this right. I've actually made some really bad

decisions (for example, when I dated someone with BPD a long time ago, staying

with that person longer because I dreaded being put on the " permanently hated "

list. I worried what he would tell our mutual friends, etc. With my current-day

trigger, I have long since learned that there is no point whatsoever in me

trying to get back in the BP's favor. So I'm done agonizing over that. But it

still REALLY stresses me out how I'm perceived by other nonBPs as a result of

the smear campaign.

>

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Hi Anonymous,

I feel the same way about the smear campaigns. I think that it is normal.

Everyone hates being gossiped about. Perhaps us KO's just take it a bit harder.

I went NC with my Nada 4 mo. ago (changed number, blocked her emails). No one

approves. I wrote my Nada a letter so she wouldn't be completely in the dark. It

was very precise and too the point I thought; but when I re-read it, I got

paranoid. I noticed some of the points I laid out towards the end of the letter

sounded angry and spiteful. And the information I put in the letter will surely

be used to fuel a distortion campaign by nada. I keep thinking about it.

Orginally, I didn't care and it felt great...but it seems I'm reverting back and

worrying about it too much. I guess I will have to be patient with myself. On

our paths, we will take some steps forward and some steps backward.

-Joy

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> > I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry

about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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> > Many moons ago when I used to get so caught up on how the person with BPD in

my life felt, a big portion of my pain was worrying about their feelings. But

another aspect that caused me distress was worrying what other people would

think. (The other people in the BP's life.) I worry partly because of the

smear/hate campaigns, which cause me a great deal of stress. But why can't I

just let it roll off me? I don't know why it matters so much.

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> > I'm not sure if I'm wording this right. I've actually made some really bad

decisions (for example, when I dated someone with BPD a long time ago, staying

with that person longer because I dreaded being put on the " permanently hated "

list. I worried what he would tell our mutual friends, etc. With my current-day

trigger, I have long since learned that there is no point whatsoever in me

trying to get back in the BP's favor. So I'm done agonizing over that. But it

still REALLY stresses me out how I'm perceived by other nonBPs as a result of

the smear campaign.

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Hi ,

Yes; I know what you mean about feeling like you exist for the service/purpose

of others. I felt like that a lot with my FOO, too. Nada would get angry if I

socialized too much or relaxed too much. She seemed threatened by it. It is hard

to undo this mindset that was ingrained in our younger KO minds I think. I still

feel that way; esp. when I disagree with someone.

-Joy

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about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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Your head might feel confused, but your expressions are very sane.

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about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

to understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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My entire childhood was based upon " what other people would think... " My husband

and I are on vacation (out-of-state) visiting my nada's relatives that I have

not seen in 25 years. None of them ever made the trip to visit us in our home.

That's because when we visited them, my parents controlled the whole household.

They insisted on certain times for meals, absolute quiet for their comfort, what

we ate, room temperature, on and on. I made a statement to my aunt yesterday

about our plans for today, she replied " whatever... is fine " . I laughed and said

" no way, you could be related to my mother!!

My nada has a exaggerated sense of self-consciousness. She thinks everyone cares

what she wears, etc. She mades demeaning comments about how everyone else looks.

Her relatives have no idea why she turned out like she did. The only clue is

that her oldest brother was described as a mean bully. Yet, my nada worshiped

the ground he walked on.

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about how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying

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obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

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I think it's natural to want " the world " to think well of you. Otherwise, why

would we bother to pick up our litter, vacuum when company's coming, or mow our

yards? Sure, we're supposed to have an internal compass that tells us right

from wrong, but community approval or disdain plays into that. The Amish

practice of " shunning " is a prime example of the power of community disapproval.

I joke that my Mom has told " Poor Neglected Nada " stories to everybody in her

tiny home town, so there's a whole rural county that thinks I'm the devil. I

probably have my picture up in the post office - " World's Worst Daughter. " It

is kind of uncomfortable to be around her life-long friends (who should know

better - she manipulates them, too) - because I always wonder what she's told

them.

When Nada dies, her memorial service is going to be VERY weird. -

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> I've noticed something about myself and see posts where other KOs worry about

how they look to others (for going NC with their nadas, etc.). I'm trying to

understand why I care so much about what other people think. There are some

obvious reasons, but it has caused me so much stress, that I think there must be

more to it. Any thoughts?

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> Many moons ago when I used to get so caught up on how the person with BPD in

my life felt, a big portion of my pain was worrying about their feelings. But

another aspect that caused me distress was worrying what other people would

think. (The other people in the BP's life.) I worry partly because of the

smear/hate campaigns, which cause me a great deal of stress. But why can't I

just let it roll off me? I don't know why it matters so much.

>

> I'm not sure if I'm wording this right. I've actually made some really bad

decisions (for example, when I dated someone with BPD a long time ago, staying

with that person longer because I dreaded being put on the " permanently hated "

list. I worried what he would tell our mutual friends, etc. With my current-day

trigger, I have long since learned that there is no point whatsoever in me

trying to get back in the BP's favor. So I'm done agonizing over that. But it

still REALLY stresses me out how I'm perceived by other nonBPs as a result of

the smear campaign.

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ha! Thanks - today I am also in a Nyquil fog, so it's just one fun thing

after another!!!

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