Guest guest Posted January 7, 2000 Report Share Posted January 7, 2000 Rita, i think MRA was involved with the current movement to put the 10-comandments on the walls of public schools. here is a web link for them. i think this is the Uk branch. on frank buchman and his speach. would you know of what year that was or now where i can read it for myself? http://www.mra.org.uk/ dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2000 Report Share Posted January 7, 2000 Yep, Strictly we should refer to the 'Oxford Groups ' or the 'Oxford Group Movement' as what theologians know as the Oxford Group is totally different, and ppl often get confused. In addition, the OGM has a few member at Oxford University, and they also exploited this supposed connection, as many ppl thught they had much stronger influence in the university than they actually had. P. robert warner wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11266 > monde@... wrote: > > > > What exactly WAS the " Oxford Group " anyway? > > > Hi Demitria, > I'm answering from memory of readings, but I think I can be fairly > accurate. The Oxford Group was a religious organization dedicated to > reviving 1st Century Christianity. It was founded and headed by > Buchman who was a Nazi sympathizer. They were thrown off several > campuses due to their aggressive recruitment practices. Their name was > one of these practices; it was called the Oxford Group bacause there was > an extremely prestigious organization with a name very close (or > identical) already in existance. They tried to steal the name's > prestige. > > Dr. Bob and Bill were both members of the group when they met, and > their development of A.A. was simply this group's theology applied to > alcoholism. The idea of a " spiritual awakening " is directly traced to > O.G.'s membership requirement- to join, you had to make a surrender to > God, on bended knees, in front of O.G. witnesses. This was the main > reason for the split between A.A. and the O.G.- and felt > that the surrender requirement was hindering recruitment. They felt that > the surrender could come later (If I remember right, didn't want > to split). In A.A.'s words; > > " The requirements might be summed up by saying you had to believe before > you began. The fact that some members saw it the other way around- as > indicated in the later A.A. saying 'I came; I came to believe- was at > the heart of the conflict between the A.A.s and the O.G.ers. " > > > This is all I could remember for sure. They did have something like " six > principals " . Although I can't remember this aspect, it is actually very > important- the 12 Steps are lifted directly from those religious > principals. > > > > Hope that helped, have a nice one. > Sincerely, Bob Warner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 here u go. they now are called MRA http://www.mra.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 Thanks for the link Dave. I actually was on their website earlier, but couldn't quite figure if it was the same deal, although it sure looked creepy. ~Trixxi > here u go. they now are called MRA > http://www.mra.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 Sounds fascinating but I DETEST the idea of giving Hazeldon ONE CENT of my money! I also read more on the link to MRA - they have a chapter right here in the good ol' Twin Cities of MN. Figures, after all this is the Land of 10,000 treatment centers. One sentence that particularily caught my eye was " THE ANGUISH OF THE VICTIM AND THE PERPETRATOR IS THE SAME " in regards to the Holocaust. CA-CA!!! I don't think for one MOMENT those murdurer's at places like Aushwitz felt one IOTA of regret about their dirty deeds - same I feel about pedophiles. YEEK!!!! ~Trixxi > Hazelden sells a good book on AA and the oxford group. It's called Practic > These Principles and What is the Oxford Group? It shows where the steps > came from the bullshit the oxford group taught and how and > re-wrote it to suit thier kneeds. I think it cost me about $10. > Mike M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 At 17:55 08/01/00 -0600, you wrote: >One sentence that particularily caught my eye was " THE ANGUISH OF THE VICTIM >AND THE PERPETRATOR IS THE SAME " in regards to the Holocaust. >CA-CA!!! I don't think for one MOMENT those murdurer's at places like >Aushwitz felt one IOTA of regret about their dirty deeds - same I feel about >pedophiles. >YEEK!!!! >~Trixxi That must be why those Nazi war criminals have been queueing up to give themselves up since the end of WWII! All that anguish, poor war criminals... Joe B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 not to mention the anguish of the victims families for generations. this eqaulization of pain between victim and victimizer is all part of the " look for your part " , blame the victim attitude they hold. if you equally suffer, you must be equally reposniable. butterbean-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11353 > Sounds fascinating but I DETEST the idea of giving Hazeldon ONE CENT of my > money! > I also read more on the link to MRA - they have a chapter right here in the > good ol' Twin Cities of MN. > Figures, after all this is the Land of 10,000 treatment centers. > One sentence that particularily caught my eye was " THE ANGUISH OF THE VICTIM > AND THE PERPETRATOR IS THE SAME " in regards to the Holocaust. > CA-CA!!! I don't think for one MOMENT those murdurer's at places like > Aushwitz felt one IOTA of regret about their dirty deeds - same I feel about > pedophiles. > YEEK!!!! > ~Trixxi > > > Hazelden sells a good book on AA and the oxford group. It's called Practic > > These Principles and What is the Oxford Group? It shows where the steps > > came from the bullshit the oxford group taught and how and > > re-wrote it to suit thier kneeds. I think it cost me about $10. > > Mike M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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