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Thanks ...I wish it wasn't necessary.

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> You are doing good, hard work, friend. I give you applause and respect. Take

good care of yourself.

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> Sincerely,

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> Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

>

> She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around the

anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

>

> She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to go

NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I have

no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any judgments

here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd prefer NC

as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

>

> I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

>

> I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

>

> I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done. She

said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

>

> She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which is

why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

>

> I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence...this

side is barren and rancid.

>

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good for you karen! I know it hurts now but it will be worth it!

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Well today, the day after my counseling appt I sat and reread my 10 pages of

things and allowed lots of tears to flow. I guess I'm starting to grieve over

the way my parents have treated me my entire life. I guess that's a good sign,

the healing process has begun. But I know there's a lot more ground to cover.

As I read, I also took notes of what my fears are so I can have the counselor

help me with them next week.

Here they are:

Fear of ongoing endless criticism, disapproval, condescending attitudes and

negativity at every opportunity

Fear of public humiliation

Fear of feeling trapped

Fear of shutting down during verbal and emotional abuse like a deer in the

headlights

Fear that my mother will turn my children against me with info I've given her

Fear of false accusations

Fear of being told I'm ungrateful or have taken advantage of them because when

they have given there were strings attached and I never played according to

their rules.

Have any of you successfully overcome these fears? How?

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>

> Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

>

> She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around the

anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

>

> She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to go

NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I have

no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any judgments

here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd prefer NC

as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

>

> I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

>

> I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

>

> I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done. She

said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

>

> She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which is

why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

>

> I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence...this

side is barren and rancid.

>

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Crying is good, ! Grieving is VERY necessary. I give you two big thumbs up

for the FANTASTIC list and the courage you are showing. I will not offer

'solutions' as I am still very much in process myself and certainly no

therapist, but ~ Woo hoo for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,

>

> Well today, the day after my counseling appt I sat and reread my 10 pages of

things and allowed lots of tears to flow. I guess I'm starting to grieve over

the way my parents have treated me my entire life. I guess that's a good sign,

the healing process has begun. But I know there's a lot more ground to cover.

>

> As I read, I also took notes of what my fears are so I can have the counselor

help me with them next week.

>

> Here they are:

>

> Fear of ongoing endless criticism, disapproval, condescending attitudes and

negativity at every opportunity

>

> Fear of public humiliation

>

> Fear of feeling trapped

>

> Fear of shutting down during verbal and emotional abuse like a deer in the

headlights

>

> Fear that my mother will turn my children against me with info I've given her

>

> Fear of false accusations

>

> Fear of being told I'm ungrateful or have taken advantage of them because when

they have given there were strings attached and I never played according to

their rules.

>

>

> Have any of you successfully overcome these fears? How?

>

>

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Hi 2 !!

I'm just getting back to the lists again. My dog ( the one with bone

cancer) died last week and it's really been tough...as for your questions..

>Fear of ongoing endless criticism, disapproval, condescending attitudes and

>negativity at every >opportunity

this is HER problem, not mine...if she's unhappy with what I'm doing, she

can stuff a sock in it, as long as I and hybby are happy, thats all that

matters..of course I don't LIKE to have these things hurled at me, but I'm

no longer afraid because 1) I KNOW she's going to do it and 2) who the

* & & ^% does she think she is to judge me any how ? it's just her opinion,

and she's wrong :-)

>Fear of public humiliation

this one I still have a little bit...the times she's done this, when I've

looked back at what was done/said, SHE'S the one who looked bad, not me...so

my fear is lessened because others will wonder whats wrong with HER

>Fear of feeling trapped

I used to have this...no longer..she can't " do " anything to me any more..she

cant hit me, because if she does, I'll smack her back, and since she's a

decrepid old almost 85 year old and I'm a weight lifting 50 year old..I'd

say *I* actually have the upper hand now !!

>Fear of shutting down during verbal and emotional abuse like a deer in the

>headlights

I have been working on this.. and with the phone, I would just hand up, but

if I'm in a room with them and it happens, I would hope my scenarios that

I've gone over in my head would be there to help me out..

>Fear that my mother will turn my children against me with info I've given

>her

I only have step kids, so this isn't a problem

>Fear of false accusations

I used to fear this..and I wonder what she's told my aunts uncles,

cousins..but then I thought, 1) if they really wondered, they could ask me

and 2) if they're ready to take her word for it, and everyone knows theres

always at least two sides to everything..then they really aren't the people

I thought they were and I'm better without them

>Fear of being told I'm ungrateful or have taken advantage of them because

>when they have given there >were strings attached and I never played

>according to their rules.

I got this all the time..and I turned it around to make THEM the ungrateful

ones who took advantage of me ( two can play that game !!) I have droped

everything and gone up there, 400+ miles away when nada had surgery, when

fada had surgery, when nada had chemo, when they needed help with the house

( hubby and I painted their house for them 2 times) we took them a load of

firewood...so, who's the ungrateful ones ??

Jackie

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I'm going to respond in all caps to your posting (not yelling at you but there

is no pretty " blue or red " I can use...)

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> Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

MY THERAPIST HAD ME DO THIS TO GET A RECORD OF REAL VS CRAZY WHEN I START TO

THINK IT'S JUST ME. NOW IT PROVIDES ME ENDLESS AMUSEMENT...

>

> She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around the

anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

>

I'M THERE. YOU CAN BE TOO!

> She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to go

NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I have

no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any judgments

here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd prefer NC

as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

>

I CHOOSE LC VS NC FOR NOW. WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE FUTURE. BUT AMEN ON THE

EYE-TWITCHNG. A GOOD FRIEND'S NADA IS ALSO BPD AND WE USE EYE-TWITCH AS A CODE

FOR 'MOMMY BIZARRO IS ACTING UP AGAIN'.

> I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

>

REMEMBER, BOUNDARIES ARE FOR YOUR PEACE OF MIND - THEY WON'T EVER SEE THAT

THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO RESPECT THEM. YOU JUST DECIDE WHERE TO BUILD YOUR FENCES

AND KEEP THEM REINFORCED ON YOUR SIDE BUT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'LL STILL LAUNCH

ITEMS AT YOUR FENCE.

> I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

>

MAKE YOURSELF STAND UP FOR YOUR REALITIES WITH NADA. IT'S HARD, IT'S PAINFUL

AND I THREW UP ON A REGULAR BASIS WHEN I FIRST DID THIS (SUCH AS WHEN I TOLD HER

WHY HER DR'S HAD REFERRED ME TO A THERAPIST...) BUT, AS TIME GOES BY AND YOU

REMAIN TRUE TO YOURSELF, IT DOES GET EASIER. I'M NOT DELIBERATELY MEAN TO NADA

AT ALL, BUT I WON'T DRINK HER EMOTIONAL KOOL-AID ANYMORE.

> I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done. She

said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

>

NOPE. NOT AT ALL. MY BIG FEAR WAS BECOMING HOOKED (PHYSICALLY & EMOTIONALLY) ON

A BANDAID.

> She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which is

why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

>

> I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence...this

side is barren and rancid.

>

FORGET THE OTHER PASTURES... THEY'RE ALL FULL OF COWPIES IN NADA'S AREAS...

CHANGE EMOTIONAL TIME ZONES/HABITATS/ HEMISPHERES/ CONTINENTS... IT CAN BE

DONE!!

LYNNETTE

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I'm sorry to hear about your dog. :( Get another one, it helps!

Everything you said below is exactly how I am feeling, just couldn't put into

words. Thank you!

Shanon

>

> Hi 2 !!

>

> I'm just getting back to the lists again. My dog ( the one with bone

> cancer) died last week and it's really been tough...as for your questions..

>

> >Fear of ongoing endless criticism, disapproval, condescending attitudes and

> >negativity at every >opportunity

>

> this is HER problem, not mine...if she's unhappy with what I'm doing, she

> can stuff a sock in it, as long as I and hybby are happy, thats all that

> matters..of course I don't LIKE to have these things hurled at me, but I'm

> no longer afraid because 1) I KNOW she's going to do it and 2) who the

> * & & ^% does she think she is to judge me any how ? it's just her opinion,

> and she's wrong :-)

>

> >Fear of public humiliation

>

> this one I still have a little bit...the times she's done this, when I've

> looked back at what was done/said, SHE'S the one who looked bad, not me...so

> my fear is lessened because others will wonder whats wrong with HER

>

> >Fear of feeling trapped

>

> I used to have this...no longer..she can't " do " anything to me any more..she

> cant hit me, because if she does, I'll smack her back, and since she's a

> decrepid old almost 85 year old and I'm a weight lifting 50 year old..I'd

> say *I* actually have the upper hand now !!

>

> >Fear of shutting down during verbal and emotional abuse like a deer in the

> >headlights

>

> I have been working on this.. and with the phone, I would just hand up, but

> if I'm in a room with them and it happens, I would hope my scenarios that

> I've gone over in my head would be there to help me out..

>

> >Fear that my mother will turn my children against me with info I've given

> >her

>

> I only have step kids, so this isn't a problem

>

> >Fear of false accusations

>

> I used to fear this..and I wonder what she's told my aunts uncles,

> cousins..but then I thought, 1) if they really wondered, they could ask me

> and 2) if they're ready to take her word for it, and everyone knows theres

> always at least two sides to everything..then they really aren't the people

> I thought they were and I'm better without them

>

> >Fear of being told I'm ungrateful or have taken advantage of them because

> >when they have given there >were strings attached and I never played

> >according to their rules.

>

> I got this all the time..and I turned it around to make THEM the ungrateful

> ones who took advantage of me ( two can play that game !!) I have droped

> everything and gone up there, 400+ miles away when nada had surgery, when

> fada had surgery, when nada had chemo, when they needed help with the house

> ( hubby and I painted their house for them 2 times) we took them a load of

> firewood...so, who's the ungrateful ones ??

>

> Jackie

>

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Thanks for your replies Jackie. I'm so sorry you lost your dog.

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> Hi 2 !!

>

> I'm just getting back to the lists again. My dog ( the one with bone

> cancer) died last week and it's really been tough...as for your questions..

>

> >Fear of ongoing endless criticism, disapproval, condescending attitudes and

> >negativity at every >opportunity

>

> this is HER problem, not mine...if she's unhappy with what I'm doing, she

> can stuff a sock in it, as long as I and hybby are happy, thats all that

> matters..of course I don't LIKE to have these things hurled at me, but I'm

> no longer afraid because 1) I KNOW she's going to do it and 2) who the

> * & & ^% does she think she is to judge me any how ? it's just her opinion,

> and she's wrong :-)

>

> >Fear of public humiliation

>

> this one I still have a little bit...the times she's done this, when I've

> looked back at what was done/said, SHE'S the one who looked bad, not me...so

> my fear is lessened because others will wonder whats wrong with HER

>

> >Fear of feeling trapped

>

> I used to have this...no longer..she can't " do " anything to me any more..she

> cant hit me, because if she does, I'll smack her back, and since she's a

> decrepid old almost 85 year old and I'm a weight lifting 50 year old..I'd

> say *I* actually have the upper hand now !!

>

> >Fear of shutting down during verbal and emotional abuse like a deer in the

> >headlights

>

> I have been working on this.. and with the phone, I would just hand up, but

> if I'm in a room with them and it happens, I would hope my scenarios that

> I've gone over in my head would be there to help me out..

>

> >Fear that my mother will turn my children against me with info I've given

> >her

>

> I only have step kids, so this isn't a problem

>

> >Fear of false accusations

>

> I used to fear this..and I wonder what she's told my aunts uncles,

> cousins..but then I thought, 1) if they really wondered, they could ask me

> and 2) if they're ready to take her word for it, and everyone knows theres

> always at least two sides to everything..then they really aren't the people

> I thought they were and I'm better without them

>

> >Fear of being told I'm ungrateful or have taken advantage of them because

> >when they have given there >were strings attached and I never played

> >according to their rules.

>

> I got this all the time..and I turned it around to make THEM the ungrateful

> ones who took advantage of me ( two can play that game !!) I have droped

> everything and gone up there, 400+ miles away when nada had surgery, when

> fada had surgery, when nada had chemo, when they needed help with the house

> ( hubby and I painted their house for them 2 times) we took them a load of

> firewood...so, who's the ungrateful ones ??

>

> Jackie

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With all the counselor did say, I was disappointed at what she did NOT say. She

did not validate any of my feelings nor did she say wow, nada is bizarro and

this is what's wrong with her.

She asked me how long it took to write down all my things and I told her it took

a few days, I wrote things down as they came to mind. When I asked her why, she

said that my list was detailed and expressive. I think back on this today and

am beginning to wonder if she doubted that I was telling her the truth. Part of

me would like to ask her next visit if she actually BELIEVES me...because if

not, I don't really see any point in continuing to see her.

Has anyone else ever got this reaction from a therapist?

Also, part of me thinks that I need to learn to validate MYSELF instead of

looking for others to do it for me. But isn't that what a therapist should be

doing?

Confused.

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>

> Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

>

> She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around the

anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

>

> She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to go

NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I have

no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any judgments

here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd prefer NC

as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

>

> I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

>

> I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

>

> I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done. She

said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

>

> She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which is

why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

>

> I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence...this

side is barren and rancid.

>

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thanks Shanon, I have her 1/2 brother...he's 6 now..but I plan on getting

another one...he doesn't seem to be bothered that he's an only dog now..and

he's getting ALL the attention..and I've been taking him to near by towns to

walk in their parks ( we live in the country, and the bugs are just too bad

to do any walking in warm weather)

Jackie

I'm sorry to hear about your dog. :( Get another one, it helps!

Everything you said below is exactly how I am feeling, just couldn't put

into words. Thank you!

Shanon

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Sometimes I wonder if this is what survivors of the Nazi holocaust must feel

like when they hear moronic people claim that the holocaust never happened.

We're in the same position: trying to explain to an incredulous world that yes,

these horrible things *did* happen to me/us, and they were perpetrated by that

adorable-looking little old lady over there. ( " Who, me? asks nada, " But I was a

perfect mother! " )

If I ever do go back into therapy, I'm going to shop around for a psychologist

who is experienced with treating trauma survivors, or the adult children of

alcoholics, or adult survivors of incest, since there seem to be so few

psychologists who have made a specialty of treating the adult survivors of

" Cluster B " parenting.

-Annie

> >

> > Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

> >

> > She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around

the anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

> >

> > She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to go

NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I have

no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any judgments

here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd prefer NC

as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

> >

> > I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

> >

> > I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

> >

> > I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done. She

said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

> >

> > She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which is

why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

> >

> > I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence...this

side is barren and rancid.

> >

> > 2

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thank you, needless to say, I did not tell the parents, since I know there

would be no support there !

Jackie

Jackie,

I'm very sorry for your loss. Thanks for coming back to us and for letting

us know. Take care.

Sincerely,

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A therapist will not validate your feelings, she will validate your right to

have those feelings. Unless you landed in her office (as I did from outside

forces) I believe it will take her a bit to adjust to the written recording

(they're only human afterall and prone to look at things from a distance to get

a feel of what's true and what's not), hence the comment of " detailed and

expressive. "

I wouldn't go to the " does she believe me or not " stance just yet... assume she

does... if you have solid indicator's otherwise... then ask... but for today,

you spoke your truth and someone else heard/read it... that is enough for one

person.

You will learn to validate yourself but it's not going to be easy and it's not

going to be quick. The first thing you must learn to do is still the internal

stormy waters of self-doubt and stand firmly in your truths - you are the

palmtree in the hurricane right now... they bend but they rarely uproot.. just

bend to the newness of this and you'll survive.

Lynnette

> >

> > Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

> >

> > She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around

the anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

> >

> > She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to go

NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I have

no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any judgments

here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd prefer NC

as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

> >

> > I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

> >

> > I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

> >

> > I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done. She

said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

> >

> > She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which is

why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

> >

> > I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence...this

side is barren and rancid.

> >

> > 2

> >

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Hmmm, interesting insights and points Annie. Thx for sharing.

>

> Sometimes I wonder if this is what survivors of the Nazi holocaust must feel

like when they hear moronic people claim that the holocaust never happened.

>

> We're in the same position: trying to explain to an incredulous world that

yes, these horrible things *did* happen to me/us, and they were perpetrated by

that adorable-looking little old lady over there. ( " Who, me? asks nada, " But I

was a perfect mother! " )

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Jackie,

I'm sorry to hear about your dog. :o(

Abby

>

> Hi 2 !!

>

> I'm just getting back to the lists again. My dog ( the one with bone

> cancer) died last week and it's really been tough...as for your questions..

>

> >Fear of ongoing endless criticism, disapproval, condescending attitudes and

> >negativity at every >opportunity

>

> this is HER problem, not mine...if she's unhappy with what I'm doing, she

> can stuff a sock in it, as long as I and hybby are happy, thats all that

> matters..of course I don't LIKE to have these things hurled at me, but I'm

> no longer afraid because 1) I KNOW she's going to do it and 2) who the

> * & & ^% does she think she is to judge me any how ? it's just her opinion,

> and she's wrong :-)

>

> >Fear of public humiliation

>

> this one I still have a little bit...the times she's done this, when I've

> looked back at what was done/said, SHE'S the one who looked bad, not me...so

> my fear is lessened because others will wonder whats wrong with HER

>

> >Fear of feeling trapped

>

> I used to have this...no longer..she can't " do " anything to me any more..she

> cant hit me, because if she does, I'll smack her back, and since she's a

> decrepid old almost 85 year old and I'm a weight lifting 50 year old..I'd

> say *I* actually have the upper hand now !!

>

> >Fear of shutting down during verbal and emotional abuse like a deer in the

> >headlights

>

> I have been working on this.. and with the phone, I would just hand up, but

> if I'm in a room with them and it happens, I would hope my scenarios that

> I've gone over in my head would be there to help me out..

>

> >Fear that my mother will turn my children against me with info I've given

> >her

>

> I only have step kids, so this isn't a problem

>

> >Fear of false accusations

>

> I used to fear this..and I wonder what she's told my aunts uncles,

> cousins..but then I thought, 1) if they really wondered, they could ask me

> and 2) if they're ready to take her word for it, and everyone knows theres

> always at least two sides to everything..then they really aren't the people

> I thought they were and I'm better without them

>

> >Fear of being told I'm ungrateful or have taken advantage of them because

> >when they have given there >were strings attached and I never played

> >according to their rules.

>

> I got this all the time..and I turned it around to make THEM the ungrateful

> ones who took advantage of me ( two can play that game !!) I have droped

> everything and gone up there, 400+ miles away when nada had surgery, when

> fada had surgery, when nada had chemo, when they needed help with the house

> ( hubby and I painted their house for them 2 times) we took them a load of

> firewood...so, who's the ungrateful ones ??

>

> Jackie

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Not so sure I agree with the statement that a therapist will not validate your

feelings.

> > >

> > > Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

> > >

> > > She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying around

the anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it and move

forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no matter

what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can say

" they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses personally,

as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long before I

entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime there is

" Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

> > >

> > > She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were to

go NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away. I

have no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any

judgments here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd

prefer NC as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

> > >

> > > I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary, they've

pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the phone,

to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me in 2

months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

> > >

> > > I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal with

her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll start

to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them for

that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

> > >

> > > I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done.

She said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

> > >

> > > She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which

is why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

> > >

> > > I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the

fence...this side is barren and rancid.

> > >

> > > 2

> > >

> >

>

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I agree with that. :o)

> > > > >

> > > > > Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's

bizarro behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was

the first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I

wanted her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

> > > > >

> > > > > She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying

around the anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it

and move forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no

matter what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can

say " they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses

personally, as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long

before I entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime

there is " Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

> > > > >

> > > > > She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were

to go NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away.

I have no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any

judgments here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd

prefer NC as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

> > > > >

> > > > > I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary,

they've pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the

phone, to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me

in 2 months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

> > > > >

> > > > > I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal

with her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll

start to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them

for that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done.

She said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

> > > > >

> > > > > She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons,

which is why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

> > > > >

> > > > > I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the

fence...this side is barren and rancid.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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How about if I put it this way: A therapist won't tell you if your feelings are

right or wrong... she will, however, tell you that you have a right to feel

what you do.

Lynnette

> > > >

> > > > Today I saw my counselor and read to her 7 typed pages of nada's bizarro

behaviors towards me thru the years and 3 typed pages of fada's. It was the

first time I've ever shared all of the history with a professional and I wanted

her to fully comprehend the big ugly picture.

> > > >

> > > > She told me afterwards that I have 2 choices...to continue carrying

around the anger, in which case it will eat me alive; or to make peace with it

and move forward...which was my full intention in the first place. She said no

matter what has been said and done to me, I need to get to the place where I can

say " they are who they are " and I should not take any of their offenses

personally, as nada and fada had these behavior patterns locked into place long

before I entered the world. Here's an interesting tidbit...She said anytime

there is " Conditional Love " there is a personality disorder present.

> > > >

> > > > She recommended I go LC instead of NC, her thoughts are that if I were

to go NC, I'd just have to deal with other messiness after they've passed away.

I have no experience on this one way or the other, so I'm not passing any

judgments here, I'm just repeating what was told to me. Personally, I think I'd

prefer NC as it sounds much easier than having to deal with nada and fada even

infrequently...not to mention that every time I even think about seeing them, my

eye starts twitching involuntarily.

> > > >

> > > > I told counselor that ever since I set one simple little boundary,

they've pouted and given me the cold shoulder. Fada talked to me once over the

phone, to invite us to dinner but we already had plans. Nada has not called me

in 2 months nor have I called her either. (Its been nice!)

> > > >

> > > > I expressed how I am very fearful of nada and don't know how to deal

with her...that I become paralyzed with fear when she acts out. She said we'll

start to explore my fears and take them to the worst case scenario to see them

for that they are and figure out how to deal with them.

> > > >

> > > > I asked if she thought EMDR would help me, as my cousin has that done.

She said she has a man in their practice who does EFT? and hypnosis. EFT is

something he does with accupuncture. Anyone ever have any experience trying to

minimize your nada reactions using EFT or hypnosis?

> > > >

> > > > She also agreed when I said my bpd dil pushes all my nada buttons, which

is why I've had such overwhelming anxiety about being around dil too.

> > > >

> > > > I sure hope there are greener pastures on the other side of the

fence...this side is barren and rancid.

> > > >

> > > > 2

> > > >

> > >

> >

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thanks ..unfortunately it's the price we pay for the love they give

and just remember, your nada cannot hurt you unless you allow her to...if

she does something to you, don't take it personally, just say to yourself,

" What's that crazy woman babbling about now ?? " I know it's easier said

than done...but once you stop letting her hurt you, you will see how absurd

most of your life has been with nada...take a step backwards, you sometimes

can see so much better once you do

Jackie

Thanks for your replies Jackie. I'm so sorry you lost your dog.

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Thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind.

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>

> thanks ..unfortunately it's the price we pay for the love they give

>

> and just remember, your nada cannot hurt you unless you allow her to...if

> she does something to you, don't take it personally, just say to yourself,

> " What's that crazy woman babbling about now ?? " I know it's easier said

> than done...but once you stop letting her hurt you, you will see how absurd

> most of your life has been with nada...take a step backwards, you sometimes

> can see so much better once you do

>

> Jackie

>

>

> Thanks for your replies Jackie. I'm so sorry you lost your dog.

>

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That struck me too, and I wondered if you didn't mention it because it didn't

stand out to you or if she hadn't said anything.  I do think it's weird.  When I

told my therapist a few weeks ago about a few incidents from my childhood, she

was angry on my behalf.  It confused me because I wasn't angry and she didn't

tell me she was angry directly--she just talked about how it was wrong--but it

seems to me a human response.  Not to relate at some kind of feeling level seems

weird.

 

I think you should say something.  Either about not validating you or what she

thinks.  I wonder if she thinks you are somehow just storing up grievances.

 

I think you should get emotional validation from your therapist.  They don't

have to agree with your perception of reality, but they should be compassionate

toward how you feel.  I think that's part of what you pay them for.  You see one

because, in part, you need that.  If you didn't need to look to others for

validation, you might not feel you needed a therapist anymore.

 

Just my thoughts,

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hm...my therapist did...after I showed her the bizarre valentinesday card to

my therapist, which had someone else's name on it " Dear Pat " which nada put

a line through then just put " Jackie " , no dear , then the end she put " love

Ray and Audrey " when she put a line through and put " mom and dad " again, no

love...and nadas note saying she was going to send the card to my cousin,

but then realized it said and son in law, and since I was the only one

married, I was the only one she could send it to....along with all the other

weird stuff nada has done to me....my therapist said she totally understands

why I feel the way I do, and that she agrees, nada is BPD, then she added

probably NP and a mean bully as well. My therapist is a dr too (

psychologist)...my therapist specializes in personality disorders...

Jackie

With all the counselor did say, I was disappointed at what she did NOT say.

She did not validate any of my feelings nor did she say wow, nada is bizarro

and this is what's wrong with her.

She asked me how long it took to write down all my things and I told her it

took a few days, I wrote things down as they came to mind. When I asked her

why, she said that my list was detailed and expressive. I think back on

this today and am beginning to wonder if she doubted that I was telling her

the truth. Part of me would like to ask her next visit if she actually

BELIEVES me...because if not, I don't really see any point in continuing to

see her.

Has anyone else ever got this reaction from a therapist?

Also, part of me thinks that I need to learn to validate MYSELF instead of

looking for others to do it for me. But isn't that what a therapist should

be doing?

Confused.

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