Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 I always wondered why Texas EMS magazine was in addition to the fee charged for licensure / certification. I'd be highly in favor of that fee being added into the certification fee so every certified / licensed person would receive a copy. E. Tate, LP Tyler, Texas --- Wayne D wrote: > It was brought up in the Rural Task Force Meeting > and during others that we > need to have a better way to communicate all the > different changes that are > occuring in EMS. > > Even in looking at the EMS & FRO survey forms on > Part B, this was also one > of the big things that were talked about along with > funding and training. > > So, I'm open to any suggestions...how can we insure > that everyone stays > informed of all the changes that are happening in > EMS. > > It was suggested that the cert fees be increased so > that every certified > person in Texas would get their own copy of the > Texas EMS Magazine, which > has all of the latest changes in Texas EMS in it. > But, I'm not sure that > the GP would go for that. Plus, most of the major > items are posted on the > TDH web site. > > So, does anyone have the answer to this? > > Thanks, > Wayne Dennis, EMTP ===== " The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great - and for destroying those who destroy the earth. " Revelation 11:18 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 I'm with on this one. Tack a few more bucks onto my cert fee, which is paid by the Austin Fire Dept anyway, come to think of it...lol...and send me Texas EMS Magazine. While we're at it, maybe we can get TDH to allow EMSAT to include a column as an additional service to all the certificants and licensees who will suddenly be receiving the magazine. If memory serves, we just went through our quarterly or semi-annual rehash of " Who Should Represent PreHospital Care Providers in Texas? " Well, golly...it seems to me that Texas EMS Magazine is a voice in search of people to speak to. stay sfe - phil --- " E. Tate " wrote: > I always wondered why Texas EMS magazine was in > addition to the fee charged for licensure / > certification. I'd be highly in favor of that > fee > being added into the certification fee so every > certified / licensed person would receive a > copy. > > > E. Tate, LP > Tyler, Texas > > > > --- Wayne D wrote: > > It was brought up in the Rural Task Force > Meeting > > and during others that we > > need to have a better way to communicate all > the > > different changes that are > > occuring in EMS. > > > > Even in looking at the EMS & FRO survey forms > on > > Part B, this was also one > > of the big things that were talked about > along with > > funding and training. > > > > So, I'm open to any suggestions...how can we > insure > > that everyone stays > > informed of all the changes that are > happening in > > EMS. > > > > It was suggested that the cert fees be > increased so > > that every certified > > person in Texas would get their own copy of > the > > Texas EMS Magazine, which > > has all of the latest changes in Texas EMS in > it. > > But, I'm not sure that > > the GP would go for that. Plus, most of the > major > > items are posted on the > > TDH web site. > > > > So, does anyone have the answer to this? > > > > Thanks, > > Wayne Dennis, EMTP > > > ===== > " The nations were angry; and your wrath has > come. > The time has come for judging the dead, > and for rewarding your servants the prophets > and your saints and those who reverence your > name, > both small and great - > and for destroying those who destroy the > earth. " > Revelation 11:18 > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 The communication issue is a big one, and I tend to agree that every certified/licensed EMS'er ought to have the Texas EMS magazine included in the initial and the recert/re-license fee. Somehow or another we all need to know what is going on. Problem is TDH just lost the funding for the magazine and the fees are going to have to go up if we are to keep getting it. This doesn't bother me to much and I would be willing to pay more to receive it, but what about the volunteers and those working for minimum wage? How does TDH give the magazine to the volunteers, and how can we justify raising recert costs to those that barely make a living wage in the first place. What do we do to ensure funding? Donn Re: Communications > I'm with on this one. Tack a few more > bucks onto my cert fee, which is paid by the > Austin Fire Dept anyway, come to think of > it...lol...and send me Texas EMS Magazine. > > While we're at it, maybe we can get TDH to allow > EMSAT to include a column as an additional > service to all the certificants and licensees who > will suddenly be receiving the magazine. > > If memory serves, we just went through our > quarterly or semi-annual rehash of " Who Should > Represent PreHospital Care Providers in Texas? " > Well, golly...it seems to me that Texas EMS > Magazine is a voice in search of people to speak > to. > > stay sfe - phil > > --- " E. Tate " wrote: > > I always wondered why Texas EMS magazine was in > > addition to the fee charged for licensure / > > certification. I'd be highly in favor of that > > fee > > being added into the certification fee so every > > certified / licensed person would receive a > > copy. > > > > > > E. Tate, LP > > Tyler, Texas > > > > > > > > --- Wayne D wrote: > > > It was brought up in the Rural Task Force > > Meeting > > > and during others that we > > > need to have a better way to communicate all > > the > > > different changes that are > > > occuring in EMS. > > > > > > Even in looking at the EMS & FRO survey forms > > on > > > Part B, this was also one > > > of the big things that were talked about > > along with > > > funding and training. > > > > > > So, I'm open to any suggestions...how can we > > insure > > > that everyone stays > > > informed of all the changes that are > > happening in > > > EMS. > > > > > > It was suggested that the cert fees be > > increased so > > > that every certified > > > person in Texas would get their own copy of > > the > > > Texas EMS Magazine, which > > > has all of the latest changes in Texas EMS in > > it. > > > But, I'm not sure that > > > the GP would go for that. Plus, most of the > > major > > > items are posted on the > > > TDH web site. > > > > > > So, does anyone have the answer to this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne Dennis, EMTP > > > > > > ===== > > " The nations were angry; and your wrath has > > come. > > The time has come for judging the dead, > > and for rewarding your servants the prophets > > and your saints and those who reverence your > > name, > > both small and great - > > and for destroying those who destroy the > > earth. " > > Revelation 11:18 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Could they not sell some EMS advertisements to help offset some of the cost of producing the magazine? I'm not a big fan of a lot of advertisements but if they need the extra funding this could help. What better place to advertise EMS products than the Texas EMS magazine, especially if every certified person in Texas received the magazine. Thanks for your time, Randy Re: Communications The communication issue is a big one, and I tend to agree that every certified/licensed EMS'er ought to have the Texas EMS magazine included in the initial and the recert/re-license fee. Somehow or another we all need to know what is going on. Problem is TDH just lost the funding for the magazine and the fees are going to have to go up if we are to keep getting it. This doesn't bother me to much and I would be willing to pay more to receive it, but what about the volunteers and those working for minimum wage? How does TDH give the magazine to the volunteers, and how can we justify raising recert costs to those that barely make a living wage in the first place. What do we do to ensure funding? Donn Re: Communications > I'm with on this one. Tack a few more > bucks onto my cert fee, which is paid by the > Austin Fire Dept anyway, come to think of > it...lol...and send me Texas EMS Magazine. > > While we're at it, maybe we can get TDH to allow > EMSAT to include a column as an additional > service to all the certificants and licensees who > will suddenly be receiving the magazine. > > If memory serves, we just went through our > quarterly or semi-annual rehash of " Who Should > Represent PreHospital Care Providers in Texas? " > Well, golly...it seems to me that Texas EMS > Magazine is a voice in search of people to speak > to. > > stay sfe - phil > > --- " E. Tate " wrote: > > I always wondered why Texas EMS magazine was in > > addition to the fee charged for licensure / > > certification. I'd be highly in favor of that > > fee > > being added into the certification fee so every > > certified / licensed person would receive a > > copy. > > > > > > E. Tate, LP > > Tyler, Texas > > > > > > > > --- Wayne D wrote: > > > It was brought up in the Rural Task Force > > Meeting > > > and during others that we > > > need to have a better way to communicate all > > the > > > different changes that are > > > occuring in EMS. > > > > > > Even in looking at the EMS & FRO survey forms > > on > > > Part B, this was also one > > > of the big things that were talked about > > along with > > > funding and training. > > > > > > So, I'm open to any suggestions...how can we > > insure > > > that everyone stays > > > informed of all the changes that are > > happening in > > > EMS. > > > > > > It was suggested that the cert fees be > > increased so > > > that every certified > > > person in Texas would get their own copy of > > the > > > Texas EMS Magazine, which > > > has all of the latest changes in Texas EMS in > > it. > > > But, I'm not sure that > > > the GP would go for that. Plus, most of the > > major > > > items are posted on the > > > TDH web site. > > > > > > So, does anyone have the answer to this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayne Dennis, EMTP > > > > > > ===== > > " The nations were angry; and your wrath has > > come. > > The time has come for judging the dead, > > and for rewarding your servants the prophets > > and your saints and those who reverence your > > name, > > both small and great - > > and for destroying those who destroy the > > earth. " > > Revelation 11:18 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to make up some of the difference. I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified people employed by the City of Austin, but these people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to the various stations, that would leave roughly 1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of whom have larger departments than Austin, we might be getting much closer to where we need to be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. Any thoughts on that idea? I almost suggested a small fee for every patient transported to help defray the cost, but the logistics of that idea almost caused me to aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. stay safe - pr __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 When asked that question this past Friday, Kathy Perkins replied that the Bureau has thought of doing just that. It has drawbacks. First of all by selling ads they forfeit any funding that is left and any future funding. Secondly, since ads don't often sell themselves, a staff ad sales person would have to be hired further increasing the costs of producing the magazine. Regards, Donn Re: Communications > > > > I'm with on this one. Tack a few more > > bucks onto my cert fee, which is paid by the > > Austin Fire Dept anyway, come to think of > > it...lol...and send me Texas EMS Magazine. > > > > While we're at it, maybe we can get TDH to allow > > EMSAT to include a column as an additional > > service to all the certificants and licensees who > > will suddenly be receiving the magazine. > > > > If memory serves, we just went through our > > quarterly or semi-annual rehash of " Who Should > > Represent PreHospital Care Providers in Texas? " > > Well, golly...it seems to me that Texas EMS > > Magazine is a voice in search of people to speak > > to. > > > > stay sfe - phil > > > > --- " E. Tate " wrote: > > > I always wondered why Texas EMS magazine was in > > > addition to the fee charged for licensure / > > > certification. I'd be highly in favor of that > > > fee > > > being added into the certification fee so every > > > certified / licensed person would receive a > > > copy. > > > > > > > > > E. Tate, LP > > > Tyler, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Wayne D wrote: > > > > It was brought up in the Rural Task Force > > > Meeting > > > > and during others that we > > > > need to have a better way to communicate all > > > the > > > > different changes that are > > > > occuring in EMS. > > > > > > > > Even in looking at the EMS & FRO survey forms > > > on > > > > Part B, this was also one > > > > of the big things that were talked about > > > along with > > > > funding and training. > > > > > > > > So, I'm open to any suggestions...how can we > > > insure > > > > that everyone stays > > > > informed of all the changes that are > > > happening in > > > > EMS. > > > > > > > > It was suggested that the cert fees be > > > increased so > > > > that every certified > > > > person in Texas would get their own copy of > > > the > > > > Texas EMS Magazine, which > > > > has all of the latest changes in Texas EMS in > > > it. > > > > But, I'm not sure that > > > > the GP would go for that. Plus, most of the > > > major > > > > items are posted on the > > > > TDH web site. > > > > > > > > So, does anyone have the answer to this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne Dennis, EMTP > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > " The nations were angry; and your wrath has > > > come. > > > The time has come for judging the dead, > > > and for rewarding your servants the prophets > > > and your saints and those who reverence your > > > name, > > > both small and great - > > > and for destroying those who destroy the > > > earth. " > > > Revelation 11:18 > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Hello All, Well, how about from the other end of the spectrum? Texas EMS Magazine is paid for by my service. It is reference tool at all stations... and not to mentioned CE is not an issue with us [paid and provided]. So, why would I want to pay MORE for something that I use now and not pay for? Junior , EMT-Paramedic on County EMS Medic 33-Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Well, I do believe our service would need to get about 20-25 copies for FREE.. If they get the station/aminstrative/educational copies for free, why would I be upset? I have it to view at work, and I look it over from time to time. So, why would I want to pay more? I do not use it for CE... I am NOT looking for JOB... I will get letter in mail if I have a suspension... so, why would I want to pay more? I may be one of the minority that feels this way... and will have no choice if they not make it an option. Junior , EMT-Paramedic on County EMS Medic 33-Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 C'mon Phil... We work for neighboring systems, and I doubt WE [Phil and Junior] would have a problem working with one another. I think we have enough trust and respect we could get the job done. I will pay more, if the say I need to... but if you ask me IF I want to pay more --- I say " NO " ... AFD pays for your certification... WCEMS pays for a magazine... I think you and I are looking at an $80 difference. I don't recall what I paid for re-cert, I just sent the money in with paperwork. I doubt my attitude could be the problem with EMS today. I would think the lack of COOPERATION with the ADMINISTRATIONS of cities, counties, and regions far out way my not wanting to pay another $20+ dollars for re-cert. The " us " stuff... people cannot agree on what role a Texas EMS Association would/should play, why is that? BUT, like I said... if they want more money for my certification, they will get it. Junior , EMT-Paramedic on County EMS Medic 33-Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 The cost of printing the magazine was mentioned at the GETAC meeting Friday, but I didn't write it down and it has slipped my aging mind. I think it was around two bucks an issue. But that would be only the printing cost and wouldn't include mailing and staff costs. My guess (total speculation actually) is the end cost is probably closer to $5. I've put out a club newsletter in the past and know that the more issues delivered the lower the per-issue cost, but even at half the estimate it would come to $60 additional over a 4-year certification period. I enjoy the magazine and would be willing to foot the extra, but look at how many certified/licensed personnel in the state won't even pay the little fee that is currently being charged. The Bureau staff are working on ideas to salvage the magazine. I hope they are successful as I would hate to lose it. Regards, Donn Re: Communications > I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to > make up some of the difference. > > I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are > likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees > who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. > > I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH > included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag > mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types > figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as > an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified > people employed by the City of Austin, but these > people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH > sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to > the various stations, that would leave roughly > 1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere > else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, > Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of > whom have larger departments than Austin, we > might be getting much closer to where we need to > be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. > > Any thoughts on that idea? > > I almost suggested a small fee for every patient > transported to help defray the cost, but the > logistics of that idea almost caused me to > aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. > > stay safe - pr > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Actually, F.E. did ask Kathy about this during the GETAC meeting and according to Kathy, in order for them to do this, they would have to be self-supporting according to the law. Meaning, they would have to generate enough money to pay for the magazine from start to finish without any other funding. Kathy could probably explain this better, but that is the short of it. Wayne > >Reply-To: >To: < > >Subject: RE: Communications >Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:43:33 -0500 > >Could they not sell some EMS advertisements to help offset some of the cost >of producing the magazine? I'm not a big fan of a lot of advertisements but >if they need the extra funding this could help. What better place to >advertise EMS products than the Texas EMS magazine, especially if every >certified person in Texas received the magazine. > >Thanks for your time, Randy > > Re: Communications > > >The communication issue is a big one, and I tend to agree that every >certified/licensed EMS'er ought to have the Texas EMS magazine included in >the initial and the recert/re-license fee. Somehow or another we all need >to >know what is going on. Problem is TDH just lost the funding for the >magazine >and the fees are going to have to go up if we are to keep getting it. This >doesn't bother me to much and I would be willing to pay more to receive it, >but what about the volunteers and those working for minimum wage? How does >TDH give the magazine to the volunteers, and how can we justify raising >recert costs to those that barely make a living wage in the first place. >What do we do to ensure funding? > >Donn > > Re: Communications > > > > I'm with on this one. Tack a few more > > bucks onto my cert fee, which is paid by the > > Austin Fire Dept anyway, come to think of > > it...lol...and send me Texas EMS Magazine. > > > > While we're at it, maybe we can get TDH to allow > > EMSAT to include a column as an additional > > service to all the certificants and licensees who > > will suddenly be receiving the magazine. > > > > If memory serves, we just went through our > > quarterly or semi-annual rehash of " Who Should > > Represent PreHospital Care Providers in Texas? " > > Well, golly...it seems to me that Texas EMS > > Magazine is a voice in search of people to speak > > to. > > > > stay sfe - phil > > > > --- " E. Tate " wrote: > > > I always wondered why Texas EMS magazine was in > > > addition to the fee charged for licensure / > > > certification. I'd be highly in favor of that > > > fee > > > being added into the certification fee so every > > > certified / licensed person would receive a > > > copy. > > > > > > > > > E. Tate, LP > > > Tyler, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Wayne D wrote: > > > > It was brought up in the Rural Task Force > > > Meeting > > > > and during others that we > > > > need to have a better way to communicate all > > > the > > > > different changes that are > > > > occuring in EMS. > > > > > > > > Even in looking at the EMS & FRO survey forms > > > on > > > > Part B, this was also one > > > > of the big things that were talked about > > > along with > > > > funding and training. > > > > > > > > So, I'm open to any suggestions...how can we > > > insure > > > > that everyone stays > > > > informed of all the changes that are > > > happening in > > > > EMS. > > > > > > > > It was suggested that the cert fees be > > > increased so > > > > that every certified > > > > person in Texas would get their own copy of > > > the > > > > Texas EMS Magazine, which > > > > has all of the latest changes in Texas EMS in > > > it. > > > > But, I'm not sure that > > > > the GP would go for that. Plus, most of the > > > major > > > > items are posted on the > > > > TDH web site. > > > > > > > > So, does anyone have the answer to this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne Dennis, EMTP > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > " The nations were angry; and your wrath has > > > come. > > > The time has come for judging the dead, > > > and for rewarding your servants the prophets > > > and your saints and those who reverence your > > > name, > > > both small and great - > > > and for destroying those who destroy the > > > earth. " > > > Revelation 11:18 > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 According to TDH they send out about 2,000 free magazines per publishing period. If you look in the magazine, they are sent out to all providers and FRO groups as well as course coordinators. It was said, that they may have to cut-out some of the color that is in the current magazine and go to black and white. I'm not sure what the fee would be, as this was just a suggestion that was brought up at the meeting. Wayne > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Communications >Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to >make up some of the difference. > >I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are >likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees >who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. > >I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH >included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag >mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types >figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as >an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified >people employed by the City of Austin, but these >people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH >sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to >the various stations, that would leave roughly >1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere >else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, >Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of >whom have larger departments than Austin, we >might be getting much closer to where we need to >be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. > >Any thoughts on that idea? > >I almost suggested a small fee for every patient >transported to help defray the cost, but the >logistics of that idea almost caused me to >aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. > >stay safe - pr > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Donn, I don't remember the per issue cost, but the over all cost was $70,000 per year. Wayne > >Reply-To: >To: < > >Subject: Re: Communications >Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:54:06 -0500 > >The cost of printing the magazine was mentioned at the GETAC meeting >Friday, >but I didn't write it down and it has slipped my aging mind. I think it was >around two bucks an issue. But that would be only the printing cost and >wouldn't include mailing and staff costs. My guess (total speculation >actually) is the end cost is probably closer to $5. I've put out a club >newsletter in the past and know that the more issues delivered the lower >the >per-issue cost, but even at half the estimate it would come to $60 >additional over a 4-year certification period. I enjoy the magazine and >would be willing to foot the extra, but look at how many certified/licensed >personnel in the state won't even pay the little fee that is currently >being >charged. > >The Bureau staff are working on ideas to salvage the magazine. I hope they >are successful as I would hate to lose it. > >Regards, >Donn > > > Re: Communications > > > > I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to > > make up some of the difference. > > > > I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are > > likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees > > who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. > > > > I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH > > included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag > > mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types > > figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as > > an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified > > people employed by the City of Austin, but these > > people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH > > sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to > > the various stations, that would leave roughly > > 1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere > > else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, > > Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of > > whom have larger departments than Austin, we > > might be getting much closer to where we need to > > be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. > > > > Any thoughts on that idea? > > > > I almost suggested a small fee for every patient > > transported to help defray the cost, but the > > logistics of that idea almost caused me to > > aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. > > > > stay safe - pr > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Why don't we start by cutting out 2,000 free copies!! I think Phil might have a great idea here....roll the cost into the cert fee or the license fee for the provider, this should create a lot of revenue that could be used to cover mass mailouts of the magazine. Not to criticize TDH but it has been my experience that alot of the info found in the magazine is already outdated by the time it hits. Dates for registration are the ones that come to mind. If it is important to get this out, then lets at least do it in a timely manner. later, Re: Communications > >Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to > >make up some of the difference. > > > >I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are > >likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees > >who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. > > > >I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH > >included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag > >mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types > >figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as > >an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified > >people employed by the City of Austin, but these > >people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH > >sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to > >the various stations, that would leave roughly > >1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere > >else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, > >Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of > >whom have larger departments than Austin, we > >might be getting much closer to where we need to > >be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. > > > >Any thoughts on that idea? > > > >I almost suggested a small fee for every patient > >transported to help defray the cost, but the > >logistics of that idea almost caused me to > >aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. > > > >stay safe - pr > > > >__________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Hey there, If that was directed at me... I'm not too worried about it. I know that I am happy and doing well. *smile* Junior , EMT-Paramedic on County EMS Medic 33-Blue P.S. - Great job last week as Captain, " B. " We need to have you in G-town for breakfast more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Because most folks aren't like you, and because there's more than CE in the magazine. Current events, happenings, etc. are all listed. It's also a great way to know who's who around the state, and get ideas to bring home to your service. That, and you're getting it " free " anyway - your provider is likely getting at least one of the two thousand free copies. But not everyone's provider can afford it - some services would live and die over the budget shift caused by the cost of a magazine subscription, even if it was just one for the station. Count yourself lucky to be part of a major metropolitan/suburban provider that has the funding base it needs. Many, many others aren't in your position. And when you consider how *low* cert/licensure fees are already (and FREE if you ONLY volunteer), adding in the cost of the magazine (versus LOSING IT ALL TOGETHER) is a good deal. Mike > Re: Communications > > > Hello All, > > Well, how about from the other end of the spectrum? Texas EMS > Magazine is paid for by my service. It is reference tool at > all stations... and not to mentioned CE is not an issue with > us [paid and provided]. So, why would I want to pay MORE for > something that I use now and not pay for? > > Junior , EMT-Paramedic > on County EMS Medic 33-Blue > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 You'll want to pay more because the free copies are most likely going away and losing the magazine alltogether would be a BAD thing for Texas EMS. The way to save it is to have everyone subscribe, which everyone won't do, or to have it " included " as a perk in your recertification/relicensure fee (an OPTION being discussed, but to my knowledge NOT promoted by TDH at this time). If you have other ideas on saving the magazine, I'm sure everyone here would be willing to listen to them. Just make sure your other ideas ALSO communicate to 40,000 people WITHOUT using email, web pages and the internet (because everyone doesn't have them, and they generally cost MORE money). Mike > Re: Communications > > > Well, I do believe our service would need to get about 20-25 > copies for FREE.. If they get the > station/aminstrative/educational copies for free, why would I > be upset? I have it to view at work, and I look it over from > time to time. So, why would I want to pay more? I do not use > it for CE... I am NOT looking for JOB... I will get letter in > mail if I have a suspension... so, why would I want to pay > more? I may be one of the minority that feels this way... and > will have no choice if they not make it an option. > > Junior , EMT-Paramedic > on County EMS Medic 33-Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Junior - This is the typical " what's in it for ***ME*** " attitude that EMS in Texas does not need. I support paying a little extra for the magazine because I think it would be good for US. stay safe - phil --- WilCoEMSMdic3355@... wrote: > Well, I do believe our service would need to > get about 20-25 copies for > FREE.. If they get the > station/aminstrative/educational copies for > free, why > would I be upset? I have it to view at work, > and I look it over from time to > time. So, why would I want to pay more? I do > not use it for CE... I am NOT > looking for JOB... I will get letter in mail if > I have a suspension... so, > why would I want to pay more? I may be one of > the minority that feels this > way... and will have no choice if they not make > it an option. > > Junior , EMT-Paramedic > on County EMS Medic 33-Blue > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 According to Kathy, the 2000 free copies will no longer be sent out. They will notify the person or agency that if they want to continue to get the magazine, they will send out a postcard stating this. WD > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Communications >Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:05:42 -0500 > >Why don't we start by cutting out 2,000 free copies!! > >I think Phil might have a great idea here....roll the cost into the cert >fee >or the license fee for the provider, this should create a lot of revenue >that could be used to cover mass mailouts of the magazine. > >Not to criticize TDH but it has been my experience that alot of the info >found in the magazine is already outdated by the time it hits. Dates for >registration are the ones that come to mind. If it is important to get this >out, then lets at least do it in a timely manner. > >later, > > > Re: Communications > > >Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to > > >make up some of the difference. > > > > > >I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are > > >likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees > > >who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. > > > > > >I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH > > >included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag > > >mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types > > >figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as > > >an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified > > >people employed by the City of Austin, but these > > >people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH > > >sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to > > >the various stations, that would leave roughly > > >1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere > > >else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, > > >Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of > > >whom have larger departments than Austin, we > > >might be getting much closer to where we need to > > >be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. > > > > > >Any thoughts on that idea? > > > > > >I almost suggested a small fee for every patient > > >transported to help defray the cost, but the > > >logistics of that idea almost caused me to > > >aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. > > > > > >stay safe - pr > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Mike, Yes, you are right, including it in the fees is ONLY as SUGGESTION with NOTHING set in stone. This was just one of the suggestions that was offered during the GETAC meeting. WD > >Reply-To: >To: < > >Subject: RE: Communications >Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:59:57 -0500 > >You'll want to pay more because the free copies are most likely going >away and losing the magazine alltogether would be a BAD thing for Texas >EMS. The way to save it is to have everyone subscribe, which everyone >won't do, or to have it " included " as a perk in your >recertification/relicensure fee (an OPTION being discussed, but to my >knowledge NOT promoted by TDH at this time). > >If you have other ideas on saving the magazine, I'm sure everyone here >would be willing to listen to them. Just make sure your other ideas >ALSO communicate to 40,000 people WITHOUT using email, web pages and the >internet (because everyone doesn't have them, and they generally cost >MORE money). > >Mike > > > Re: Communications > > > > > > Well, I do believe our service would need to get about 20-25 > > copies for FREE.. If they get the > > station/aminstrative/educational copies for free, why would I > > be upset? I have it to view at work, and I look it over from > > time to time. So, why would I want to pay more? I do not use > > it for CE... I am NOT looking for JOB... I will get letter in > > mail if I have a suspension... so, why would I want to pay > > more? I may be one of the minority that feels this way... and > > will have no choice if they not make it an option. > > > > Junior , EMT-Paramedic > > on County EMS Medic 33-Blue > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 , Kathy and said they will be mailing out postcards to the freebie subscribers advising them to pony up if they wish to continue receiving the magazine. As P.T Barnum once said, " There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. " It is a start. Regards, Donn Re: Communications > > >Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is to > > >make up some of the difference. > > > > > >I realize that the vast majority of TDH certs are > > >likely to be volunteers and low-paid employees > > >who can't/won't/shouldn't pay for the magazine. > > > > > >I wonder how much the fees would rise if TDH > > >included EVERY cert/lic in the Texas EMS Mag > > >mailout. Could one of you TDH moderator types > > >figure that out? Furthermore, taking Austin as > > >an example, there are about 1200 TDH-certified > > >people employed by the City of Austin, but these > > >people only work in about 75 locations. If TDH > > >sent 75 copies to AFD/AEMS for distributions to > > >the various stations, that would leave roughly > > >1125 paid-for copies available to go somewhere > > >else. Carrying that idea out to Dallas FD/EMS, > > >Houston FD/EMS, and San FD/EMS, all of > > >whom have larger departments than Austin, we > > >might be getting much closer to where we need to > > >be to cover the state with Texas EMS Magazine. > > > > > >Any thoughts on that idea? > > > > > >I almost suggested a small fee for every patient > > >transported to help defray the cost, but the > > >logistics of that idea almost caused me to > > >aneurate my brain, so I decided not to. > > > > > >stay safe - pr > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 " Because most folks aren't like you " Thank God for that! Ken Re: Communications > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Well, how about from the other end of the spectrum? Texas EMS > > Magazine is paid for by my service. It is reference tool at > > all stations... and not to mentioned CE is not an issue with > > us [paid and provided]. So, why would I want to pay MORE for > > something that I use now and not pay for? > > > > Junior , EMT-Paramedic > > on County EMS Medic 33-Blue > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 by the way Mike... where do you work? what do you do? *** off to KFC, gonna discuss improving our system with lieutenant [regional supervisor] despite folks like you will see OUR system grow with great prominance. *smile* i hope you are enjoying your work day... i know that i'm enjoying mine. adding... improper grammar " american " way - never gonna get rid of us folks that will continue to use it. live, laugh and love! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 by the way, dealing with internal system issues to see our DIRECTOR challenge is met! would love to join, but i am far too impatient with the slow nature of change [here]. i tend to walk the walk... talk the talk... and back it 100%. challenges and issue that should be consider... is it possible to create avenue to add college credit to ce programs? you could end the bs nature of cempt/lp who is better crap. you start with that ONE simple task, you will have my support. if you can, MOVE ON! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Mike, I can speak for on County EMS (since it is Junior that you are discussing this with) and tell you that we do pay for the copies we get. We subscribed to the magazine and paid for it because we felt it was of value to our staff. If it is for the good of the group, then increase the fee, but if the volunteer is going to continue to renew for free then at least increase their fee to cover their magazine. Re: Communications > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Well, how about from the other end of the spectrum? Texas EMS > > Magazine is paid for by my service. It is reference tool at > > all stations... and not to mentioned CE is not an issue with > > us [paid and provided]. So, why would I want to pay MORE for > > something that I use now and not pay for? > > > > Junior , EMT-Paramedic > > on County EMS Medic 33-Blue > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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