Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 That is unbelieveable. There is something wrong with us. My NP said that if most folks took as much as we are having to take, their Ferritin would be sky high. I will have to be on iron the rest of my life considering how pitiful mine usually is. It can fall more than 10 points in just a few months if I don't take iron. I was achey at 38. Janie > I am up to 50 on ferritin from the 3x a day I was taking the ferrous sulfate at 325 mg each. I make sure I take at least 4 a week until my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 I start to ache and get cold so I know it is dropping when I eat any flour or gluten of any kind, yet I am not a celiac sufferer according to my test results. Yet, my issues get worse with the flour. Figure that one out JAMY and IRON That is unbelieveable. There is something wrong with us. My NP said that if most folks took as much as we are having to take, their Ferritin would be sky high. I will have to be on iron the rest of my life considering how pitiful mine usually is. It can fall more than 10 points in just a few months if I don't take iron. I was achey at 38. Janie > I am up to 50 on ferritin from the 3x a day I was taking the ferrous sulfate at 325 mg each. I make sure I take at least 4 a week until my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 It's our crummy metabolism. We can't seem to turn over the oxygen and other nutrients to our body cells properly. Of course, that is the simple way of putting it, not the mumbo-jumbo scientific explanations that make our brains do flip-flops when we read all that stuff. Then, because we no longer have the " perfect " function of the thyroid, and we're having to replace it all from the outside, the body systems have a terrible time keeping up with a correct metabolic rate. Some of these nutrients get " wasted " or used up in the process of the body trying to keep up with something that is being corrected. We have to be so much more diligent than " normal " people. I know, it is very frustrating that we have to be this diligent for the rest of our lives, for something that will never be exactly perfect again. I haven't had periods for 16 yrs, due to hysterectomy. I shudder to think what my iron status would be like, if I did, at this point. JAMY and IRON That is unbelieveable. There is something wrong with us. My NP said that if most folks took as much as we are having to take, their Ferritin would be sky high. I will have to be on iron the rest of my life considering how pitiful mine usually is. It can fall more than 10 points in just a few months if I don't take iron. I was achey at 38. Janie > I am up to 50 on ferritin from the 3x a day I was taking the ferrous sulfate at 325 mg each. I make sure I take at least 4 a week until my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 It probably has to do with some sort of weird binding that goes on in your gut somewhere, when you consume these things. What is that part of the intestine where this iron, B12, and folate absorption takes place? Not the transverse colon, but another part---aaaaa-can't think of it. Anyway, it all takes place there, and if there is some sort of error there, the nutrients go nowhere, or else we have to take so much of the nutrient that it forces the issue or absorption. Not the ileus either---gee whiz, brain fog! JAMY and IRON That is unbelieveable. There is something wrong with us. My NP said that if most folks took as much as we are having to take, their Ferritin would be sky high. I will have to be on iron the rest of my life considering how pitiful mine usually is. It can fall more than 10 points in just a few months if I don't take iron. I was achey at 38. Janie > I am up to 50 on ferritin from the 3x a day I was taking the ferrous sulfate at 325 mg each. I make sure I take at least 4 a week until my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 > I start to ache and get cold so I know it is dropping when I eat >any flour or gluten of any kind, yet I am not a celiac sufferer >according to my test results. Yet, my issues get worse with the >flour. Figure that one out Will I get a large sum of money if I do??? Janie, major grin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 > It's our crummy metabolism. We can't seem to turn over the oxygen >and other nutrients to our body cells properly. My metabolism is crummy even on an optimal dose of Armour--3 grains currently. My T3 is over the top, and my temp is great, yet, I have to eat like a flea to maintain my weight. Ah well! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 In a message dated 5/16/2004 4:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > yet I am not a celiac sufferer according to my test results. Yet, my issues > get worse with the flour I'm the same way. But I understand that celiac disease doesn't show up on the blood test until it is advanced. And you can still be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 maybe! Re: JAMY and IRON > I start to ache and get cold so I know it is dropping when I eat >any flour or gluten of any kind, yet I am not a celiac sufferer >according to my test results. Yet, my issues get worse with the >flour. Figure that one out Will I get a large sum of money if I do??? Janie, major grin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 why money? Armour, Janie!!!!!!!! Feisty(ThyroFeisty) > > Will I get a large sum of money if I do??? > > Janie, major grin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 I always thought that gluten sensitivity IS Celiac Disease, and Celiac is an autoimmune disease, so it does have antibodies. Re: JAMY and IRON In a message dated 5/16/2004 4:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > yet I am not a celiac sufferer according to my test results. Yet, my issues > get worse with the flour I'm the same way. But I understand that celiac disease doesn't show up on the blood test until it is advanced. And you can still be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:55:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I always thought that gluten sensitivity IS Celiac Disease, and Celiac is > an autoimmune disease, so it does have antibodies. > > I could be wrong, but I had a doc explain that you could have food " sensitivities " ...but that is different than having an " allergic " reaction such as celiac disease. Also, I read that the only definitive way to diagnose celiac disease was with a intestinal biopsy. I know for me, I have to limit wheat products or my digestive system gets off...but I did not test positive for celiac disease. Maybe someone here has more info? Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 who knows what IgA and igG are? Mine were elevated Re: JAMY and IRON In a message dated 5/16/2004 4:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > yet I am not a celiac sufferer according to my test results. Yet, my issues > get worse with the flour I'm the same way. But I understand that celiac disease doesn't show up on the blood test until it is advanced. And you can still be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 did you see what I asked about IgA and igG Re: JAMY and IRON In a message dated 5/16/2004 4:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > yet I am not a celiac sufferer according to my test results. Yet, my issues > get worse with the flour I'm the same way. But I understand that celiac disease doesn't show up on the blood test until it is advanced. And you can still be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 You don't happen to be an O blood type do you? O's can't tolerate wheat. >From: nc2406@... >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: NaturalThyroidHormones >Subject: Re: JAMY and IRON >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:12:29 EDT > >In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:55:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >marin@... writes: > > > I always thought that gluten sensitivity IS Celiac Disease, and Celiac >is > > an autoimmune disease, so it does have antibodies. > > > > > >I could be wrong, but I had a doc explain that you could have food > " sensitivities " ...but that is different than having an " allergic " reaction >such as >celiac disease. Also, I read that the only definitive way to diagnose >celiac >disease was with a intestinal biopsy. I know for me, I have to limit wheat >products or my digestive system gets off...but I did not test positive for >celiac >disease. Maybe someone here has more info? >Cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 hey, your inf. was way ahead of me! LOL JAMY and IRON That is unbelieveable. There is something wrong with us. My NP said that if most folks took as much as we are having to take, their Ferritin would be sky high. I will have to be on iron the rest of my life considering how pitiful mine usually is. It can fall more than 10 points in just a few months if I don't take iron. I was achey at 38. Janie > I am up to 50 on ferritin from the 3x a day I was taking the ferrous sulfate at 325 mg each. I make sure I take at least 4 a week until my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 before my hysterectomy, my iron level was so low, even taking a super dose of iron prior to the surgery, that when I gave blood for myself, they said I wasn't 'legal' enough to donate blood to the general public!! I figure my level is up since the surgery (way back when), but it has never been tested. This discussion has really been interesting and informative !! Cris JAMY and IRON That is unbelieveable. There is something wrong with us. My NP said that if most folks took as much as we are having to take, their Ferritin would be sky high. I will have to be on iron the rest of my life considering how pitiful mine usually is. It can fall more than 10 points in just a few months if I don't take iron. I was achey at 38. Janie > I am up to 50 on ferritin from the 3x a day I was taking the ferrous sulfate at 325 mg each. I make sure I take at least 4 a week until my next test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Nope a+ with serious folic acid anemia Re: JAMY and IRON >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:12:29 EDT > >In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:55:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >marin@... writes: > > > I always thought that gluten sensitivity IS Celiac Disease, and Celiac >is > > an autoimmune disease, so it does have antibodies. > > > > > >I could be wrong, but I had a doc explain that you could have food > " sensitivities " ...but that is different than having an " allergic " reaction >such as >celiac disease. Also, I read that the only definitive way to diagnose >celiac >disease was with a intestinal biopsy. I know for me, I have to limit wheat >products or my digestive system gets off...but I did not test positive for >celiac >disease. Maybe someone here has more info? >Cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Immunoglobulin Type A and Immunoglobulin Type B, each specific substances showing a defense against specific antigens (foreign invaders, recognized as such by your body). For instance, I know that I have specific IgE to St. Augustine grass, Oak and Cedar pollens, and certain Molds. I'm sure that I have specific ones to specific foods, though that hasn't been proven by testing. The former ones are. I know that since that testing back in 1990, I've likely developed a lot more of them to other things. It's gotten ridiculous. Re: JAMY and IRON who knows what IgA and igG are? Mine were elevated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Yep, I slept last night, lol, and just answered it. Autoimmune antibodies are different, since they mobilize the T-Killer cells against our own tissue, instead of against actual foreign invaders from the outside, or from what we put into our bodies, as in food or drugs. The IgAs I don't understand as well as the IgEs, and the whole thing can be difficult to understand frankly, unless we become biochemists. Re: JAMY and IRON did you see what I asked about IgA and igG ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 There is food sensitivity, food allergy, as you said, and then there is autoimmune, where the T-Killer cells attack something in the body that they have mistaken for a foreign invader. Celiac is one such autoimmune disease, but, as you said, wheat allergy, or food sensitivity wouldn't be. Antiparietal antibodies are at work in Celiac against gluten in all things. Re: JAMY and IRON In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:55:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I always thought that gluten sensitivity IS Celiac Disease, and Celiac is > an autoimmune disease, so it does have antibodies. > > I could be wrong, but I had a doc explain that you could have food " sensitivities " ...but that is different than having an " allergic " reaction such as celiac disease. Also, I read that the only definitive way to diagnose celiac disease was with a intestinal biopsy. I know for me, I have to limit wheat products or my digestive system gets off...but I did not test positive for celiac disease. Maybe someone here has more info? Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I'm A+, but I don't know about Cindi, who posted the original question on the wheat thing. I frankly, still think that I may have gluten sensitivity, but haven't been tested for such, i.e., bloating, feeling generally not so good, etc...when consuming any grains, other than rice. And I love oatmeal, buttered bread, pastas, and the like. Re: JAMY and IRON >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:12:29 EDT > >In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:55:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >marin@... writes: > > > I always thought that gluten sensitivity IS Celiac Disease, and Celiac >is > > an autoimmune disease, so it does have antibodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I am O+ and have never tested positive for this either. and never had a problem digesting products with wheat or gluten in them. I did test positive for eggs! but I can eat eggs - and I get the flu shot with no problems! I'm allergic to most green living things - and pollens and dusts and molds... Cris Re: JAMY and IRON In a message dated 5/16/2004 4:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > yet I am not a celiac sufferer according to my test results. Yet, my issues > get worse with the flour I'm the same way. But I understand that celiac disease doesn't show up on the blood test until it is advanced. And you can still be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 So is that what these are? Re: JAMY and IRON who knows what IgA and igG are? Mine were elevated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 OK, I admit, I am being dense. So what does the IgA and igG mean? ..com a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 IgA and IgG are going to be things formed for defense against " alien " things that your body doesn't like. I don't really understand what happens biochemically, when this happens, but, yes, I would assume that. Did the doctor not even explain any of this? Someone else around here has Hyper IgE Syndrome, which is certainly a lot worse than a few allergies, but it is very exaggerated, and the description of it to me, sounds more MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity). Re: JAMY and IRON Immunoglobulin Type A and Immunoglobulin Type B, each specific substances showing a defense against specific antigens (foreign invaders, recognized as such by your body). For instance, I know that I have specific IgE to St. Augustine grass, Oak and Cedar pollens, and certain Molds. I'm sure that I have specific ones to specific foods, though that hasn't been proven by testing. The former ones are. I know that since that testing back in 1990, I've likely developed a lot more of them to other things. It's gotten ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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