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> Perhaps, with a doc's assistance, you could encourage her to make

> the switch!!(Oh, and yes, stopping hormones DOES make the body go a

> bit mad--at least that was MY experience after I stopped HRT last

> Fall!! Now I am on natural progesterone ONLY, and it's making a

> difference.)

>

> You hang in there. We are here for you!! And her, too!!

>

> Janie

Thank you so much Janie for your kind relpy. I just moved back to

Canada where my family is, and maybe it's a blessing in disguise. If

my Grammie's cholesterol is high from long stangding hypothyroidism

(which I suspect that it may be), then maybe I can help persuade her

and her doctor to try Armour (and a higher dosage of thyroid than what

she was on), plus natural rememedies like the niacin and get this:

cinnamon is great for balancing sugar levels (could be the ticket for

type 2 diabteics) and lowering the LDL in cholesterol levels.

Apparently it doesn't do much for raising the good cholesterol, but

hey, it's worth eating more of nonetheless.

I will keep you all posted on my Grammie as soon as I get her labs

etc... Maybe I will convince her to come and stay with me for a little

bit until she is feeling better.

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> I will keep you all posted on my Grammie as soon as I get her labs

> etc... Maybe I will convince her to come and stay with me for a

little bit until she is feeling better.

If she does come and stay with you, put her in front of the computer

and I will tell her HI from COLORADO!!! I bet she is a sweetie and

you are wonderful to care for her so.

Janie, watching the car show right outside my store in sunny

Florence, Colorado!! My 1958 Nash Metropolitan is out there, too!!

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True Niacin has been used for lightyrs to lower cholesterol, at least as far

back as the 60s or 70s. It no longer makes the profits that newer drugs do

though, and I figure this is probably the reason why it isn't heavily

advertised. I'm not saying that there aren't ANY new innovative drugs out there

that don't really work, I'm just very wary when I'm reading about them because

the world of medicine ain't what it used to be. It IS about profit, and isn't

truly about making people better, sad to say. I believe that

cholesterol-lowerin drugs are some of the most dangerous around because of the

status of the liver. Instead of doctors and researchers trying to figure out

what it is making the liver produce so much cholesterol, they are instead

artificially treating it from the outside, tampering with something that is

going to be met by the body with head-on resistance (you can't fool the liver,

and if you try to, it's going to react). HRT (of the bad estrogen kind, not

bioidentical)----It took me approximately 3 months to very slowly taper it and

get off of it back in '99. I probably need bioidenticals by this time, since I

figure I'm mostly through " the change " , but I haven't worked on that yet.

and your dear Grammie--and comments

on STATINS

Hi . The blood pressure issue is such a hard one!! The other

gal never figured it out either, and it happened to her on just 1/4

grain!! But unlike you, I don't think she was working with adrenal

support.

As far as your dear Grammie, those statins are awful. Oh sure, they

lower the cholesterol, but the side effects and potential damage are

the pits. And now they are recommending that all diabetics be on

statins!!!!!!! What a bunch of pharmaceutical profit-making CRAP.

Additionally, they have broadened the criteria for who might need

statins, creating MILLIONS of folks who are put on it.

Here's what Atkins once said about it all: " While drugs are

certainly appropriate for specific patient populations under certain

circumstances, there are numerous studies showing that the

statistical difference in mortality rates of those who are being

treated with cholesterol-lowering drugs and those not being treated

is insignificant. In absolute figures, a patient with high

cholesterol and cardiovascular disease has a 92 percent chance of

not dying from a heart attack over a four- to-six-year period

without drug treatment. That number increases to 95 percent with

drug treatment. "

http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/9/23-518825.html

One of the alternatives I read about is taking a large amount of

Niacin, though you do have to use time-released form to prevent the

flush it can give.

My husband was on statins, and with all the bad info I was reading

lately about them, he got off, and raised his Armour. Now we are

going to see what that might do. He's only been on his raised dose

for 3 weeks.

Perhaps, with a doc's assistance, you could encourage her to make

the switch!!(Oh, and yes, stopping hormones DOES make the body go a

bit mad--at least that was MY experience after I stopped HRT last

Fall!! Now I am on natural progesterone ONLY, and it's making a

difference.)

You hang in there. We are here for you!! And her, too!!

Janie

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> If she does come and stay with you, put her in front of the computer

> and I will tell her HI from COLORADO!!! I bet she is a sweetie and

> you are wonderful to care for her so.

That would be a great idea Janie! She is a sweetie :). She's had a

tough life. Lots of depression and hardships with her children not

being with her. A very long and sad story. It just makes me so damn

mad that doctors are not more aware of the thyroid and how it can ruin

a perfectly good life.

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I'm just very wary when I'm reading about them because the world of

medicine ain't what it used to be. It IS about profit, and isn't

truly about making people better, sad to say.

, you are right. My grandfather and I had a long discussion

yesterday about this very topic. He is very much into healing with

natural rememdies and supplements. I think sometimes he can go a

little too far when it comes to health though. He has high blood

pressure that resulted many years ago from an overdose on antibiotics.

I forget the name of them, but the doctors back in the 50's gave him

enough to cure 10 horses and they affected his kidneys, which have

resulted in the high blood pressure. This antibiotic (I think it was

streptomicin) is apparantly no longer used much anymore. It's called

secondary high blood pressure. He won't take anything for it and it

really concerns me. He says his garlic and colloidal copper are

keeping everything in check. ANyway, that's another story.

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Ha!! Streptomycin is STILL alive and well. It is in a group of antibiotics

called macrolides, along with erythromycin, clarithromycin, and many others.

They are all like poison for my intestinal tract, even in small doses. I am

highly allergic to them, and they cause me to shed the lining of my colon!

Funny thing though, there is one of them I can take with no problem, the one

that you take for only 4 or 5 days. I have no idea why this one works so well

on me, and the others try to kill me. Don't have money for the genetic testing

on that. Anyway, yes, streptomycin is still used. Isn't it strange how things

like this can stay on the market, yet the FDA outlaws some things or poo-poos

them because they're not prescriptions, controlled by drug companies. There are

many killer prescription drugs out there, and that doesn't just mean for the

highly allergic. Some of them are dangerous for the most healthy of us, yet

they stay on the market because of lobbying and, I say, payoffs.

Re: and your dear Grammie--and

comments on STATINS

I'm just very wary when I'm reading about them because the world of

medicine ain't what it used to be. It IS about profit, and isn't

truly about making people better, sad to say.

, you are right. My grandfather and I had a long discussion

yesterday about this very topic. He is very much into healing with

natural rememdies and supplements. I think sometimes he can go a

little too far when it comes to health though. He has high blood

pressure that resulted many years ago from an overdose on antibiotics.

I forget the name of them, but the doctors back in the 50's gave him

enough to cure 10 horses and they affected his kidneys, which have

resulted in the high blood pressure. This antibiotic (I think it was

streptomicin) is apparantly no longer used much anymore. It's called

secondary high blood pressure. He won't take anything for it and it

really concerns me. He says his garlic and colloidal copper are

keeping everything in check. ANyway, that's another story.

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The other one is probably zithromax.

I've taken erythromycin many times with no problems. (I'm allergic to

ceclor so I am limited in what I can take.) Of course I always take

it with food so that helps.

Louise

PS Ceclor caused me to break out in hives everywhere! (Trust me hives

on the bottom of your feet are not fun! You can't wear shoes or

socks!!! I also would go to bed and wake up at 2am unable to breath.

The only thing that helped were Hall cough drops.)

> Ha!! Streptomycin is STILL alive and well. It is in a group of

antibiotics called macrolides, along with erythromycin,

clarithromycin, and many others. They are all like poison for my

intestinal tract, even in small doses. I am highly allergic to them,

and they cause me to shed the lining of my colon! Funny thing

though, there is one of them I can take with no problem, the one that

you take for only 4 or 5 days. I have no idea why this one works so

well on me, and the others try to kill me. Don't have money for the

genetic testing on that. Anyway, yes, streptomycin is still used.

Isn't it strange how things like this can stay on the market, yet the

FDA outlaws some things or poo-poos them because they're not

prescriptions, controlled by drug companies. There are many killer

prescription drugs out there, and that doesn't just mean for the

highly allergic. Some of them are dangerous for the most healthy of

us, yet they stay on the market because of lobbying and, I say,

payoffs.

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OOOOhh, anaphylactic attacks, that's not even funny! Yes, on the Zithromycin,

it's the only one of those that I can still take. Also grown allergic to the

Penicillins, Sulphas, but I can take Ceclor, which is sort of weird because it

is actually related to the Penicillins. My allergies have gotten to the point

of ridiculous, over the last 10 to 15 yrs.

Re: and your dear Grammie--and

comments on STATINS

The other one is probably zithromax.

I've taken erythromycin many times with no problems. (I'm allergic to

ceclor so I am limited in what I can take.) Of course I always take

it with food so that helps.

Louise

PS Ceclor caused me to break out in hives everywhere! (Trust me hives

on the bottom of your feet are not fun! You can't wear shoes or

socks!!! I also would go to bed and wake up at 2am unable to breath.

The only thing that helped were Hall cough drops.)

> Ha!! Streptomycin is STILL alive and well. It is in a group of

antibiotics called macrolides, along with erythromycin,

clarithromycin, and many others. They are all like poison for my

intestinal tract, even in small doses. I am highly allergic to them,

and they cause me to shed the lining of my colon! Funny thing

though, there is one of them I can take with no problem, the one that

you take for only 4 or 5 days. I have no idea why this one works so

well on me, and the others try to kill me. Don't have money for the

genetic testing on that. Anyway, yes, streptomycin is still used.

Isn't it strange how things like this can stay on the market, yet the

FDA outlaws some things or poo-poos them because they're not

prescriptions, controlled by drug companies. There are many killer

prescription drugs out there, and that doesn't just mean for the

highly allergic. Some of them are dangerous for the most healthy of

us, yet they stay on the market because of lobbying and, I say,

payoffs.

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I'm allergic to ceclor too !! <grin>

I took,I think, maybe erythromycin when I had the bulls eye rash from a

tick....lymes.

for 2 months.

An IV of benedryl is great for hives and a throat that is closing also...don't

mess around with it if it ever happens again!

my 1st time, I was just miserable. 2nd time, was a cephlosporin - same family -

at my hysterectomy. nurse said,here's a bell to ding WHEN you have an allergic

reaction!! she knew it but had given it to me anyway because the dr. ordered

it!! I was in the hospital, luckily. took some time ( and maybe because the drug

was IV- it was more severe) but the benedryl stopped it instantly )

Cris

Re: and your dear Grammie--and comments

on STATINS

The other one is probably zithromax.

I've taken erythromycin many times with no problems. (I'm allergic to

ceclor so I am limited in what I can take.) Of course I always take

it with food so that helps.

Louise

PS Ceclor caused me to break out in hives everywhere! (Trust me hives

on the bottom of your feet are not fun! You can't wear shoes or

socks!!! I also would go to bed and wake up at 2am unable to breath.

The only thing that helped were Hall cough drops.)

> Ha!! Streptomycin is STILL alive and well. It is in a group of

antibiotics called macrolides, along with erythromycin,

clarithromycin, and many others. They are all like poison for my

intestinal tract, even in small doses. I am highly allergic to them,

and they cause me to shed the lining of my colon! Funny thing

though, there is one of them I can take with no problem, the one that

you take for only 4 or 5 days. I have no idea why this one works so

well on me, and the others try to kill me. Don't have money for the

genetic testing on that. Anyway, yes, streptomycin is still used.

Isn't it strange how things like this can stay on the market, yet the

FDA outlaws some things or poo-poos them because they're not

prescriptions, controlled by drug companies. There are many killer

prescription drugs out there, and that doesn't just mean for the

highly allergic. Some of them are dangerous for the most healthy of

us, yet they stay on the market because of lobbying and, I say,

payoffs.

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