Re: Lab interpretations

[Guest guest]

Hi . With the exception of the TSH, we need the ranges for

your labwork.

Also, how recently did you go back on Armour? Did you go back on 4

grains, or did you build to that? What were you on before? Also, it

sounds like you had been on Armour, and then got off?? How come??

And finally, have you had your Ferritin tested??

Janie

> I have Hashi's and have just recently gone back on Armour (4

> grains). I still feel terrible, aches and pains all over, feel

like

> I have the flu and stiff joints all the time. My lab results are

> below and I do not have any idea what they mean. Any opinions

would

> be appreciated. Thanks,

>

> TSH .004

> T4 9.7

> T3 uptake 32

> Free Thyroxine Index 3.1

> T3 379

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) 31

> Thyroid Antithyroglobulin Ab 53

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Were you on meds before starting the Armour? That would help .

[Guest guest]

I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken off

of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

[Guest guest]

> I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken off

> of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

> started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

TSH .004 (.350 - 5.5)

T4 9.7 (4.5 - 12.0)

T3 Uptake 32 (24 - 39)

Free Thyroxine Indes 3.1 (1.2 - 4.9)

Triiodothyronine T3 379 (85 - 205)

Reverse T3 286 (90 - 350)

Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 31 (0 - 34)

Thyroid Antithyroglobulin 53 (0 - 40)

Hi,

Okay, have you felt ANY significant decrease in symtpoms whatsoever

while you were increasing? Have you been plotting your basal temps in

the morning as well as heart rate and blood pressure (if you have a BP

monitor)? How many months postpartum are you? Are you nursing? Do you

have Hashi's, or Hashi's and Graves's? Sorry if you posted this

previous and I missed it. I think you said Hashi's, but your second

thyroid antibody can also indicate Graves'. Just curious.

After babies, your autoimmune function can go haywire, although I

don't see high antibody titers - WEIRD! What did your doctor say

about your results? The TSH is suppressed pretty low, so I would think

that you should be feeling good unless this suppressed TSH is too low

for you, which is what I suspect. The other gals are better on the

other labs, but they look pretty good to me. It's the high T3 that is

worrying me. It's too high. Are you self dosing? Are you having any

heart palps, anxiety etc...? Would you be willing to try cutting back

on the Armour? SOmeone else have an opinion on this???? I think you

are moving into hyper . This is my opinion.

[Guest guest]

----Really need the normal lab reference ranges here to compare because

different labs have different standard values. Did you start the 4 grains all

at once or gradually?

Lab interpretations

Hello All,

I have Hashi's and have just recently gone back on Armour (4

grains). I still feel terrible, aches and pains all over, feel like

I have the flu and stiff joints all the time. My lab results are

below and I do not have any idea what they mean. Any opinions would

be appreciated. Thanks,

TSH .004

T4 9.7

T3 uptake 32

Free Thyroxine Index 3.1

T3 379

Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) 31

Thyroid Antithyroglobulin Ab 53

[Guest guest]

Why did they think that you would be better off on T4 than on Armour because of

your preganancy? In other words, somewhere in their small little minds, they

STILL think that Armour is inferior. I can't believe that they did this right

in the middle of your pregnancy! Duhh!!

Re: Lab interpretations

I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken off

of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

[Guest guest]

---'Thank you for replying. I am nursing. I have hashi's. I have

continued to feel terrible since delivery in january. I went from 3

grains to four grains pretty fast. i felt wonderful on armour last

january, ended up pregnant with miracle baby and the doctors scared

me into going on synthroid. i felt fine during pregnancy but so sick

since delivery. I hurt all over.

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " d_timmsjosey "

<d_timmsjosey@y...> wrote:

> > I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken

off

> > of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

> > started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

> TSH .004 (.350 - 5.5)

> T4 9.7 (4.5 - 12.0)

> T3 Uptake 32 (24 - 39)

> Free Thyroxine Indes 3.1 (1.2 - 4.9)

> Triiodothyronine T3 379 (85 - 205)

> Reverse T3 286 (90 - 350)

> Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 31 (0 - 34)

> Thyroid Antithyroglobulin 53 (0 - 40)

>

> Hi,

>

> Okay, have you felt ANY significant decrease in symtpoms whatsoever

> while you were increasing? Have you been plotting your basal temps

in

> the morning as well as heart rate and blood pressure (if you have a

BP

> monitor)? How many months postpartum are you? Are you nursing? Do

you

> have Hashi's, or Hashi's and Graves's? Sorry if you posted this

> previous and I missed it. I think you said Hashi's, but your second

> thyroid antibody can also indicate Graves'. Just curious.

>

> After babies, your autoimmune function can go haywire, although I

> don't see high antibody titers - WEIRD! What did your doctor say

> about your results? The TSH is suppressed pretty low, so I would

think

> that you should be feeling good unless this suppressed TSH is too

low

> for you, which is what I suspect. The other gals are better on the

> other labs, but they look pretty good to me. It's the high T3 that

is

> worrying me. It's too high. Are you self dosing? Are you having any

> heart palps, anxiety etc...? Would you be willing to try cutting

back

> on the Armour? SOmeone else have an opinion on this???? I think you

> are moving into hyper . This is my opinion.

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Three different doctors scared me so much about the danger of

being pregnant and on armour so I listened to them. I was so afraid

to not listen to them as this pregnancy was a true miracle, nine

years of trying.

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " " <marin@q...>

wrote:

> Why did they think that you would be better off on T4 than on

Armour because of your preganancy? In other words, somewhere in

their small little minds, they STILL think that Armour is inferior.

I can't believe that they did this right in the middle of your

pregnancy! Duhh!!

>

>

>

> Re: Lab interpretations

>

>

> I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken

off

> of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

> started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken off

> > of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

> > started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

> TSH .004 (.350 - 5.5)

> T4 9.7 (4.5 - 12.0)

> T3 Uptake 32 (24 - 39)

> Free Thyroxine Indes 3.1 (1.2 - 4.9)

> Triiodothyronine T3 379 (85 - 205)

> Reverse T3 286 (90 - 350)

> Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 31 (0 - 34)

> Thyroid Antithyroglobulin 53 (0 - 40)

>

Subclinical Hyperthyroidism

TSH = low

FT4 = normal

FT3 = low

TT4 = n/a

TT3 = high

FTI = normal

TPOAb = normal-high

TgAb = normal-high

TRAb = normal-high

T3 Thyrotoxicosis

TSH = normal

FT4 = normal-low

FT3 = high

TT4 = normal-low

TT3 = high

FTI = normal-low

TPOAb = normal-high

TgAb = normal-high

TRAb = normal-high

[Guest guest]

Didn't anybody think about the miracle you WERE pregnant BECAUSE you were on

ARMOUR????

_____

From: smcmille2002

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:23 PM

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Subject: Re: Lab interpretations

---Three different doctors scared me so much about the danger of

being pregnant and on armour so I listened to them. I was so afraid

to not listen to them as this pregnancy was a true miracle, nine

years of trying.

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " " <marin@q...>

wrote:

> Why did they think that you would be better off on T4 than on

Armour because of your preganancy? In other words, somewhere in

their small little minds, they STILL think that Armour is inferior.

I can't believe that they did this right in the middle of your

pregnancy! Duhh!!

>

>

>

> Re: Lab interpretations

>

>

> I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken

off

> of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

> started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> ---Three different doctors scared me so much about the danger of

> being pregnant and on armour so I listened to them. I was so afraid

> to not listen to them as this pregnancy was a true miracle, nine

> years of trying.

First off, congratulations on getting pregnant and having a beautiful

baby . It took me 3+ years so I can only imagine what nine years of

waiting for that precious baby could have been like.

I also just read that: Slightly elevated T3 levels may occur in

pregnancy or during estrogen therapy.

Listen , I would take your basal temps for the next few

mornings and your temps in the afternoon, plus heart rate and BP if

you can do it. This would give a better indication as to whether you

have too much thyroid hormone or if somthing else is going on. Does

rheumatoid arthritis run in your family? It is often tied with thyroid

disease also. I am not saying you have it, but your symptoms are

similar. I would talk to your doctor to rule it out.

WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS?

Morning Stiffness in the Joints

The hallmark symptom of rheumatoid arthritis is morning stiffness that

lasts for at least an hour. (Stiffness from osteoarthritis, for

instance, usually clears up within half an hour.) Even after remaining

motionless for a few moments, the body can stiffen. Movement becomes

easier again after loosening up.

Swelling and Pain

Swelling and pain in the joints must occur for at least six weeks

before a diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis is considered. The inflamed

joints are usually swollen and often feel warm and " boggy " when

touched. The pain often occurs symmetrically but may be more severe on

one side of the body, depending on which hand the person uses more often.

Specific Joints Affected

Although rheumatoid arthritis almost always develops in the wrists and

knuckles, the knees and joints of the ball of the foot are often

affected as well. Indeed, many joints may be involved, even causing

the spine to become misaligned. It does not usually show up in the

fingertips, where osteoarthritis is common, but joints at the base of

the fingers are often painful.

Nodules

In about 20% of people with RA, inflammation of small blood vessels

can cause nodules, or lumps, under the skin. They are about the size

of a pea or slightly larger, and are often located near the elbow,

although they can show up anywhere. Nodules can occur throughout the

course of the disease. Rarely, nodules may become sore and infected,

particularly if they are in locations where stress occurs, such as the

ankles. On rare occasions, nodules can reflect the presence of

rheumatoid vasculitis, a condition that can affect blood vessels in

the lungs, kidneys, or other organs.

Fluid Build-up

Fluid may accumulate, particularly in the ankles. In rare cases, the

joint sac behind the knee accumulates fluid and forms what is known as

a Baker cyst. This cyst feels like a tumor and sometimes extends down

the back of the calf causing pain.

Flu-Like Symptoms

Symptoms such as fatigue, weight loss, and fever may accompany early

rheumatoid arthritis. Some people describe them as being similar to

those of a cold or flu, except, of course, RA symptoms can last for

years.

Sorry I am not much help to you. I do feel for you. The postpartum

period is tough enough without having to deal extraneous stuff .

[Guest guest]

Take note of the nutritional deficiencies posts I just did, especially since you

have just had a baby AND already have thyroid disease. I did not realize to

what extent this disease and many other factors can have such a profound effect

on these nutrients, plus the symptoms that can be involved here, very rapidly, I

might add.

Re: Lab interpretations

---'Thank you for replying. I am nursing. I have hashi's. I have

continued to feel terrible since delivery in january. I went from 3

grains to four grains pretty fast. i felt wonderful on armour last

january, ended up pregnant with miracle baby and the doctors scared

me into going on synthroid. i felt fine during pregnancy but so sick

since delivery. I hurt all over.

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " d_timmsjosey "

<d_timmsjosey@y...> wrote:

> > I forgot to say that I was on 3 grains of armour last jan. taken

off

> > of it when found out i was pregnant and put on synthroid .137.

> > started back on armour 2 months ago 2 grains now 4 grains.

> TSH .004 (.350 - 5.5)

> T4 9.7 (4.5 - 12.0)

> T3 Uptake 32 (24 - 39)

> Free Thyroxine Indes 3.1 (1.2 - 4.9)

> Triiodothyronine T3 379 (85 - 205)

> Reverse T3 286 (90 - 350)

> Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 31 (0 - 34)

> Thyroid Antithyroglobulin 53 (0 - 40)

>

> Hi,

>

> Okay, have you felt ANY significant decrease in symtpoms whatsoever

> while you were increasing? Have you been plotting your basal temps

in

> the morning as well as heart rate and blood pressure (if you have a

BP

> monitor)? How many months postpartum are you? Are you nursing? Do

you

> have Hashi's, or Hashi's and Graves's? Sorry if you posted this

> previous and I missed it. I think you said Hashi's, but your second

> thyroid antibody can also indicate Graves'. Just curious.

>

> After babies, your autoimmune function can go haywire, although I

> don't see high antibody titers - WEIRD! What did your doctor say

> about your results? The TSH is suppressed pretty low, so I would

think

> that you should be feeling good unless this suppressed TSH is too

low

> for you, which is what I suspect. The other gals are better on the

> other labs, but they look pretty good to me. It's the high T3 that

is

> worrying me. It's too high. Are you self dosing? Are you having any

> heart palps, anxiety etc...? Would you be willing to try cutting

back

> on the Armour? SOmeone else have an opinion on this???? I think you

> are moving into hyper . This is my opinion.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You GO girl, you are right!!

RE: Re: Lab interpretations

Didn't anybody think about the miracle you WERE pregnant BECAUSE you were on

ARMOUR????

[Guest guest]

Hello d_timmsjosey,

d> WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS?

I was diagnosed as having rheumatoid arthritis 20 years ago. however i am

positive it was an early attack of hashiomotos -my TSH was 3.6 at

the time but that was 'normal'

i have exactly the

same arthritic-type symptoms now and i don't think its a co-incidence

that the pains are back now that I'm severely hypothyroid.

--

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Alison

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[Guest guest]

i have exactly the

> same arthritic-type symptoms now and i don't think its a

co-incidence

> that the pains are back now that I'm severely hypothyroid.

Hi ,

I think that many of the symptoms of RA and Hypo overlap. I think that

if you have RA, then being hypo thyroid can certainly accentuate the

problem even more. My mother claims that she has arthritis in her

knees, hands, wrists etc... I JUST convinced her to get her thyroid

panel done with antibodies, since I am a Hashi's person, and I suspect

her mother (my Grammie) is also a Hashi's person (she has

hypothyroidism). This disease is very interesting because my Grammie

had some different symptoms from myself. She said her voice dropped

and that she sounded like a man. She also had a clogged artery taken

out of her brain (she has high cholesterol). We all do! My Great

Grandmother died young (54 I believe) of a heart attack. My

Grandmother's brother has had a few heart attacks and quadruple

by-pass. I have decided that if my mother proves to have Hashi's, then

I am going to bring up the idea of certain family members getting

their thyroid and antibodies checked. I have read that there are some

families that have strong autoimmune thryoid disease running through

them. Sadly, my husband's side of the family has autoimmune disease

running rampant as well with my mother-in-law and two sisters

(hypothryoid), neice (Lupus), great Aunt (suspect Lupus-she's dead

now), another niece (Lupus & died at 32 of an aneurism),

mother-in-law's mother (suspect-thyroid disease: died of stroke). The

brothers of my MIL have had heart attacks and are overweight (they are

all overweight). It's scary. I will have to watch my kids like a hawk.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

d_timmsjosey@... writes:

> She said her voice dropped

> and that she sounded like a man

This is one i didn't have...but have read in numerous places about it...how

the voice can deepen and get hoarse.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

d_timmsjosey@... writes:

> I have read that there are some

> families that have strong autoimmune thryoid disease running through

> them.

I am convinced that my aunt died of undiagnosed Hashi's...she was also

diabetic.

And I had sorta figured out my Mom had this and am convinced the resultant

depression is what caused her suicide. I hope this isn't too morbid for some

folks...but here's what her autopsy said about her thyroid:

Multiple nodules are formed by fibrous bands separting the gland into

colloid-filled follicies with focal degeneration and chronic inflammation.

There is

one small area of sense fibrous tissue and follicular epithelial cells with

hyperchromatic and pleomorphic nuclei.

I didn't understand all of that - but fibrous and inflammation and nodules

sounds like Hashi's to me.

Interestingly enough, her left adrenal gland had diffuse cortical

hyperplasia...which I think means there was like a mass growing on it.

And even the liver showed fibrosis and chronic inflammation (she never drank

alcohol) so I'm thinking there's something to the " sluggish liver " when one

has Hashi's.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Mine has been deep and hoarse for years,people are always asking me if I have a

bad cold.

Shirley

Re: Re: Lab interpretations

In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

d_timmsjosey@... writes:

> She said her voice dropped

> and that she sounded like a man

This is one i didn't have...but have read in numerous places about it...how

the voice can deepen and get hoarse.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

Interesting autopsy findings! Sounds like Hashi's to me, too.

" Interestingly enough, her left adrenal gland had diffuse cortical

hyperplasia...which I think means there was like a mass growing on it. "

This piece means the gland was overworked and had to increase in size to meet

the

demands placed on it by the body. Perhaps from trying to compensate for the

hypothyroid for so long.

And so sorry to hear about your mom and your aunt. Sisters?

Janet

> In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> d_timmsjosey@y... writes:

>

> > I have read that there are some

> > families that have strong autoimmune thryoid disease running through

> > them.

>

> I am convinced that my aunt died of undiagnosed Hashi's...she was also

> diabetic.

> And I had sorta figured out my Mom had this and am convinced the resultant

> depression is what caused her suicide. I hope this isn't too morbid for some

> folks...but here's what her autopsy said about her thyroid:

> Multiple nodules are formed by fibrous bands separting the gland into

> colloid-filled follicies with focal degeneration and chronic inflammation.

There is

> one small area of sense fibrous tissue and follicular epithelial cells with

> hyperchromatic and pleomorphic nuclei.

>

> I didn't understand all of that - but fibrous and inflammation and nodules

> sounds like Hashi's to me.

>

> Interestingly enough, her left adrenal gland had diffuse cortical

> hyperplasia...which I think means there was like a mass growing on it.

>

> And even the liver showed fibrosis and chronic inflammation (she never drank

> alcohol) so I'm thinking there's something to the " sluggish liver " when one

> has Hashi's.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My voice does flip flops, back and forth from lower to high, depending upon the

lower neck symptoms.

Re: Re: Lab interpretations

In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

d_timmsjosey@... writes:

> She said her voice dropped

> and that she sounded like a man

This is one i didn't have...but have read in numerous places about it...how

the voice can deepen and get hoarse.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Chronic Lymphocytic Thyroiditis, which is Hashimoto's and an adrenal that

swelled so much that it played out, i.e., adrenal exhaustion. She suffered

through this without ever knowing what it was. This is why we have to broadcast

to others (without anguishing over what could have been, and I know that's hard

to do). Somewhere I read that many people, when cut open at autopsy, were found

to have either very small shrunken adrenals, or very puffed up enlarged ones.

This tells us something about how much poison and stress that the adrenls take

upon them. I believe that the thyroid and adrenals truly reflect the life and

personality of that person. Did anyone read that article back last year about

that Indian woman (I THINK she was from India) who burned herself to death

because of severe depression from long ongoing hypothyroidism, that no doctor

would treat? She set herself on fire.

Re: Re: Lab interpretations

In a message dated 5/16/2004 11:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

d_timmsjosey@... writes:

> I have read that there are some

> families that have strong autoimmune thryoid disease running through

> them.

I am convinced that my aunt died of undiagnosed Hashi's...she was also

diabetic.

And I had sorta figured out my Mom had this and am convinced the resultant

depression is what caused her suicide. I hope this isn't too morbid for some

folks...but here's what her autopsy said about her thyroid:

Multiple nodules are formed by fibrous bands separting the gland into

colloid-filled follicies with focal degeneration and chronic inflammation.

There is

one small area of sense fibrous tissue and follicular epithelial cells with

hyperchromatic and pleomorphic nuclei.

I didn't understand all of that - but fibrous and inflammation and nodules

sounds like Hashi's to me.

Interestingly enough, her left adrenal gland had diffuse cortical

hyperplasia...which I think means there was like a mass growing on it.

And even the liver showed fibrosis and chronic inflammation (she never drank

alcohol) so I'm thinking there's something to the " sluggish liver " when one

has Hashi's.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/17/2004 2:51:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ggmts@... writes:

> This piece means the gland was overworked and had to increase in size to

> meet the

> demands placed on it by the body. Perhaps from trying to compensate for the

>

> hypothyroid for so long.

>

>

Thank you for this info. I have worried about what that adrenal language

really meant. I have recently ordered Isocort to help my adrenals.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/17/2004 2:51:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ggmts@... writes:

> And so sorry to hear about your mom and your aunt. Sisters?

>

No - I'm the only child. I have one daughter age 25. I made her go last

month to have thyroid testing and antibodies testing. So far, TSH is 1.3 and

she

had no antibodies. But I'm gonna make her get testing at regular intervals.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/17/2004 2:51:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ggmts@... writes:

> And so sorry to hear about your mom and your aunt. Sisters?

>

Oh - you meant were they sisters? Yes. And there was another sister who

died in her early 40s of breast cancer...I have run across some info about a

link

between breast cancer and thyroid disease. AND...there was another brother

who committed suicide in his 30s. He was short in statue...and his daughter

took thyroid meds in her childhood. She is currently having severe mental

problems but won't listen to me about getting her thyroid checked. Why don't

folks

listen?

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/17/2004 3:48:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@...

writes:

> Did anyone read that article back last year about that Indian woman (I

> THINK she was from India) who burned herself to death because of severe

> depression from long ongoing hypothyroidism, that no doctor would treat? She

set

> herself on fire.

>

Yes, I read it. Sad thing is that after I saw my mother's autopsy with the

thyroid stuff...I told two separate doctors about what it said when I was

asking to have my thyroid checked during a physical. And even though i tested

with a TSH about 2.6 they never checked for Hashimoto's or warned me of future

hypothyroidism. I swear I think docs are clueless about thyroid disease. So

it took me 10 years to finally get diagnosed...but i had to go severely hypo

to get the diagnosis.

Cindi