Re: Please help with Isocort

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Did you work up slowly with the Isocort? If not you may have had a

thyroid dump causing the insomnia. ALSO no matter what yoiur rythym

looks liek on paper when you takeANY substance containg cortiosl it

changes your rythym to how you take it. You should take 3 first thing in

the AM then 2 in four hours then 1 in four hours and one at bedtime.

This will mimic the natural cortisol rythym.

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> Re: Please help with Isocort

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> Did you work up slowly with the Isocort? If not you may have had a

> thyroid dump causing the insomnia. ALSO no matter what yoiur rythym

> looks liek on paper when you takeANY substance containg cortiosl it

> changes your rythym to how you take it. You should take 3

> first thing in

> the AM then 2 in four hours then 1 in four hours and one at bedtime.

> This will mimic the natural cortisol rythym.

>

Yes, I worked up slowly just like the recommendations here on the site.

Might it still have been a Thyroid dump? It felt like a strong shift.

Why would I want to take some of them in the evening when I'm actually high

normal at midnight and have trouble sleeping, and am taking phosphorylated

serine in the evening to try and LOWER the cortisol then (advice from Dr.

Neville of Clymer center, which ordered the ASI test)? And that also would

leave me less in the morning when I need it most...guess I don't understand

this.

Thanks,

NJ

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>>Why would I want to take some of them in the evening when I'm actually high

normal at midnight and have trouble sleeping, and am taking phosphorylated

serine in the evening to try and LOWER the cortisol then (advice from Dr.

Neville of Clymer center, which ordered the ASI test)? And that also would

leave me less in the morning when I need it most...guess I don't understand

this.<<

A common mistake! Many docs also make this mistake. When you add exogenous

(taken oby mouth) cortisol to the AM it lowers your ACTH which then lowers your

cortisol later in the day. The reason we GET high cortisol at night, and this is

a VERY common pattern in adrenal fatigue, is that we arent; making enough

cortiosl early in the day when we need the most so our ACTTH goes high beating

the adrenals for more cortiosl they can't produce. then the ACTH stays high all

day plummeting the adrenals so they never get a rest. Then in the evening when

cortisol needs are MUCH lower, the ACTH is still too high so this causes high

night time cortiosl inapropriately. BY adding to the AM cortiosl this

inapropriate high ACTh and resulting high ighttime cortisol is quickly GONE.

Usually people will need a tiny bit at night once they get the daytime levels

where they need to be fom this lowering of the ACTH.

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OK, Val, I've read this 3 times and it finally makes sense to my

mercury-soaked brain..

Do you think, from my test scores and your experience that 8 isocort

is enough HC for my situation? Or do i need to start Cortef? I have an

appointment with my doctor next week, but so far he's seemd reluctant

to prescribe it. He thinks it will shut down the adrenals and the

jury's out whether they will come back. He says he respects the

opinion of those who think this is giving the adrenals a rest, but

he's on the fence about whether or not it will be too much of a

'shut-down'. Also, he seems to be saying my goal for Armour is 1.5

grains (which I'm now up to, as of this week), which i wonder about in

light of my tests. What do you think?

many thanks,

NJ

>

> A common mistake! Many docs also make this mistake. When you add

exogenous (taken oby mouth) cortisol to the AM it lowers your ACTH

which then lowers your cortisol later in the day. The reason we GET

high cortisol at night, and this is a VERY common pattern in adrenal

fatigue, is that we arent; making enough cortiosl early in the day

when we need the most so our ACTTH goes high beating the adrenals for

more cortiosl they can't produce. then the ACTH stays high all day

plummeting the adrenals so they never get a rest. Then in the evening

when cortisol needs are MUCH lower, the ACTH is still too high so this

causes high night time cortiosl inapropriately. BY adding to the AM

cortiosl this inapropriate high ACTh and resulting high ighttime

cortisol is quickly GONE. Usually people will need a tiny bit at night

once they get the daytime levels where they need to be fom this

lowering of the ACTH.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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Sorry NJ I talk to hundreds of peopel every day and no way cna i

remember your labs. please post them agian wiht your question.. LOL Sorry!

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> Re: Please help with Isocort

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>

> Sorry NJ I talk to hundreds of peopel every day and no way cna i

> remember your labs. please post them agian wiht your

> question.. LOL Sorry!

>

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Sorry Val, I thought they were still clinging to the end of the email from

yesterday..

Here's the labs:

> Cortisol

>

> 07:00-08:00 7 Depressed 13-24 nM

> 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM

> 04:00 - 05:00 PM 4 Normal 3-8 nM

> 11:00 - Midnight 4 Normal 1-4 nM

>

> DHEA Pooled Value 3 Borderline Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml

>

> Also, I had a very low sIGA :

> Total Salivary SIgA 8 Depressed Normal: 25-60 mg/dl

> Borderline: 20-25 mg/dl

>

> Here are my thyroid specs, from before I started taking Armour, or

> Isocort:

> T3 = 81 (ref:85-205)

> TSH = 8.97 (ref:.35-5.5)

> Thyroid peroxidase = 1506 (ref:0-34)

> Antinuclear Antibodies Di = 202 (ref:0-99)

Here's the question again:

Do you think, from my test scores and your experience that 8 isocort

is enough HC for my situation? Or do i need to start Cortef? I have an

appointment with my doctor next week, but so far he's seemd reluctant

to prescribe it. He thinks it will shut down the adrenals and the

jury's out whether they will come back. He says he respects the

opinion of those who think this is giving the adrenals a rest, but

he's on the fence about whether or not it will be too much of a

'shut-down'. Also, he seems to be saying my goal for Armour is 1.5

grains (which I'm now up to, as of this week), which i wonder about in

light of my tests. What do you think?

many thanks,

NJ

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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07:00-08:00 7 Depressed 13-24 nM

> 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM

> 04:00 - 05:00 PM 4 Normal 3-8 nM

> 11:00 - Midnight 4 Normal 1-4 nM

I think you would do much better on HC. Have you given the Isocort time to give

it a good trial or a month or so? If you are unabel to raise thyroid to get rid

of symnpotoms on the Isocort that is all the proof you need it is not working

for you. I do not know anyone thta optimized thyroid on 1.5 grains. MOST need

3-5 grains.

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>

> 07:00-08:00 7 Depressed 13-24 nM

> > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM

> > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 4 Normal 3-8 nM

> > 11:00 - Midnight 4 Normal 1-4 nM

>

> I think you would do much better on HC. Have you given the Isocort

time to give it a good trial or a month or so? If you are unabel to

raise thyroid to get rid of symnpotoms on the Isocort that is all the

proof you need it is not working for you. I do not know anyone thta

optimized thyroid on 1.5 grains. MOST need 3-5 grains.

>

Well I've only been on the full dose of 8 Isocort a day for about 10

days. That did help me to raise the armour to 1.5. My doctor seems to

think i won't need more Armour than that. Which is strange because he

is good in so many ways. Prescribed Armour without my asking, has

respect for the saliva test, and prescribed Iodoral and other good

things. I'm lucky to find him, so I don't stand much chance of finding

anyone better around here, i've looked. I agree that i'll definitely

need more than the 1.5 grains, and maybe the HC. Hope he sees it that

way. If anyone here knows any doctors in land who work with Armour

and HC, please let me know.

thanks,

NJ