Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Jim, the reason that a lot of us limit our carbs is because they act as a sort of poison for diabetics. By testing, we determine what foods raise our BGs and if we want to keep good control, we avoid these foods. Generally speaking, all grain products will do this. This includes cereals, pasta, most breads, rice, most fruits and some veggies, especially potatos. It makes absolutely no sense to eat foods that raise our BGs then take meds to lower BGs. Much better to avoid these foods in the first place to get good BG control. Vicki . In a message dated 07/17/2002 5:55:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jimchristianhall@... writes: > Balance is best for diabetics as it is for most of the > general population. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Jim, the reason that a lot of us limit our carbs is because they act as a sort of poison for diabetics. By testing, we determine what foods raise our BGs and if we want to keep good control, we avoid these foods. Generally speaking, all grain products will do this. This includes cereals, pasta, most breads, rice, most fruits and some veggies, especially potatos. It makes absolutely no sense to eat foods that raise our BGs then take meds to lower BGs. Much better to avoid these foods in the first place to get good BG control. Vicki . In a message dated 07/17/2002 5:55:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jimchristianhall@... writes: > Balance is best for diabetics as it is for most of the > general population. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 I get plenty of fiber in my diet from raw veggies and salads...not to mention flax seed sprinkled on my foods. I eat a pretty healthy diet, albeit with very little grain products and fruit. I eat no fast foods and very little prepared foods either. As far as your apple example, calories are not the problem here...it's the carbs, again. One 100 gram applie has 15+ carbs and raise my BG LOTS. . I'm much more concerned with this rather than the possible cancer protective properties I do take supplements. Have you read Dr. Bernstein's book? He's a type 1 diabetic, and reversed well-entrenched diabetic complications by eating a lowcarb diet and completely eliminated fruits and most grain products. I believe he's in his 70s now and had diabetes from childhood but has eaten this way probably for only the last 30 years or so. Vicki In a message dated 07/17/2002 5:55:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jimchristianhall@... writes: > For example, whole grain products eaten in moderation are very helpful to a > diabetic because of the high fiber and nutrient content. Also, fruit is > very important. An apple is high in fiber content, has many anti-cancer > properties, and has only on average 50 calories. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 You can't fight with success, Jim. Eliminating carbs as much as possible produces lower BGs, pure and simple. And lower A1Cs. May I ask what system you follow? And what was your last A1C? And what meds do you take? Vicki In a message dated 07/17/2002 5:55:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jimchristianhall@... writes: > A few seem to advocate eliminating carbohydrates from the diabetic diet > almost > completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Hello, I have been a little concerned about some of the dietary ideas I have read over the past few days by a few well-intentioned folks in this group. I would term some of what I have read as " dietary absolutism. " For example, one person advised against eating ANY fruit. A few seem to advocate eliminating carbohydrates from the diabetic diet almost completely. I'm nobody important and I don't consider myself an " expert " on much of anything, but I do have an earned Ph.D. in nutrition and I authored a book on men's nutrition a few years ago for a major publishing company. Even diabetics (I am one and have been since 1987) need a well-balanced diet. For example, whole grain products eaten in moderation are very helpful to a diabetic because of the high fiber and nutrient content. Also, fruit is very important. An apple is high in fiber content, has many anti-cancer properties, and has only on average 50 calories. The key is, of course, moderation. I agree that diabetics generally need more protein than other folks, but still must be careful about fat content in animal and dairy products. Also, many animal and dairy products contain antibiotic residues, bovine growth hormones and other potentially harmful substances. Balance is best for diabetics as it is for most of the general population. Best wishes, Jim > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Jim, what you describe is exactly what I've been trying to achieve by taking bits and pieces of the various " plans " and applying the parts that seem to make sense to me. Thank you for your articulate presentation. I eat about 100 grams of carbs a day, and try to choose those that pack in nutrition and fiber, such as whole grains. I eat a little more protein than the ADA recommends, but less than the Bernstein/Atkins folk, and limit it to lean meats and lots of fish. I also avoid eating foods high in cholesterol. I include fats in my diet, but try to make them more the monounsaturated fats, and also try to limit preservatives, trans fats, nitrates, and too much sodium. I seem to be able to eat 1-2 servings of fruit a day, and the rest is veggies. It's working for me and I feel great. I know everyone is difference, but this is what I've come up with for myself because it makes sense to me. Christy > I'm nobody important and I don't consider myself an > " expert " on much of > anything, but I do have an earned Ph.D. in nutrition > and I authored a book > on men's nutrition a few years ago for a major > publishing company. > > Even diabetics (I am one and have been since 1987) > need a well-balanced > diet. For example, whole grain products eaten in > moderation are very > helpful to a diabetic because of the high fiber and > nutrient content. Also, > fruit is very important. An apple is high in fiber > content, has many > anti-cancer properties, and has only on average 50 > calories. > > The key is, of course, moderation. I agree that > diabetics generally need > more protein than other folks, but still must be > careful about fat content in > animal and dairy products. Also, many animal and > dairy products contain > antibiotic residues, bovine growth hormones and other > potentially > harmful substances. > > Balance is best for diabetics as it is for most of the > general population. > > Best wishes, Jim > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Jim, I am very interested in knowing what/how you eat, as well as if you use med's and your numbers. Would you be able to write something up for us? I know low carbing works to keep bg under control, however, I am at a time in my life (child bearing years) where I FEEL it is important to eat a more balanced diet. thank you Jacky, type 2, diet and exercise controlled - 60-90 carbs per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Jim, I am very interested in knowing what/how you eat, as well as if you use med's and your numbers. Would you be able to write something up for us? I know low carbing works to keep bg under control, however, I am at a time in my life (child bearing years) where I FEEL it is important to eat a more balanced diet. thank you Jacky, type 2, diet and exercise controlled - 60-90 carbs per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > > Hello, > > I have been a little concerned about some of the > dietary ideas I have read > over the past few days by a few well-intentioned folks > in this group. > > I would term some of what I have read as " dietary > absolutism. " For > example, one person advised against eating ANY fruit. > A few seem > to advocate eliminating carbohydrates from the > diabetic diet almost > completely. > > I'm nobody important and I don't consider myself an > " expert " on much of > anything, but I do have an earned Ph.D. in nutrition > and I authored a book > on men's nutrition a few years ago for a major > publishing company. > > Even diabetics (I am one and have been since 1987) > need a well-balanced > diet. For example, whole grain products eaten in > moderation are very > helpful to a diabetic because of the high fiber and > nutrient content. Also, > fruit is very important. An apple is high in fiber > content, has many > anti-cancer properties, and has only on average 50 > calories. > > The key is, of course, moderation. I agree that > diabetics generally need > more protein than other folks, but still must be > careful about fat content in > animal and dairy products. Also, many animal and > dairy products contain > antibiotic residues, bovine growth hormones and other > potentially > harmful substances. > > Balance is best for diabetics as it is for most of the > general population. > > Best wishes, Jim > > > Ahhhh another of the ADA belief system.... well Jim, i'm glad it works for you, it does not work for most people i know.. as you should know from your extensive background in nutrition carbohydrates - sugar in the body. I almost died on the ADA diet, for me i needed to go to very low carb, and here i feel great, its helped my mood, and my arthritis as well as my diabetes, i have several hba1c's in the 6.0 range... and am off my antidepresants as well as my arthritis drugs and my narcotics x 2 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I'm like you Jacky, I'm eating way too low carb for my comfort level..I am keeping my numbers down But my stomach is action up a bit.. I just personally feel that me leaving out fruit and whole grains is a good thing? Im very confused by the whole thing...sus -----Original Message----- From: Jacky Jim, I am very interested in knowing what/how you eat, as well as if you use med's and your numbers. Would you be able to write something up for us? I know low carbing works to keep bg under control, however, I am at a time in my life (child bearing years) where I FEEL it is important to eat a more balanced diet. thank you Jacky, type 2, diet and exercise controlled - 60-90 carbs per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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