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Well, I am disgusted that EMS continually gets left out of significant

legislation changes. However, I have never been the least bit disappointed

that Fire Departments and Police Departments gain through it.

M> Me too. My point is, there is no EMS community. Just a bunch of

EMS folks. We need a community. If you don't like EMSAT, do one of two

things... join and run for a seat on the board, or start your own

organization. At this point, even splintered organizations would be better

than nothing, as it would get people in the right frame of mind (and the

splinter groups would iron themselves out when memberships started changing

between groups, etc. - just ask the labor unions how *they* got started).

I joined EMSAT! I don't know how you could possibly get the 40,000 plus,

certified personnel to join..unless maybe you promised all the things that

the organization is supposed to work toward. You know, it is much easier to

get members once you are established and have some significant gains already

on the books. That is very much a problem.

M> Yes, it is. But we need *enough* of a group to get a foothold.

Need *enough* people being willing to take part, even if only to be a name

on a roster (if that's what they want to be). For Ron to be able to walk up

to a lawmaker and say " EMSAT represents 10% of EMS in Texas, which is more

than any other group ever has and we're still growing " would be a *HUGE*

step forward. So would 5%. Or 1%. Get the picture?

By the way Mike, are you a member? I don't think EMSAT holds much promise

for Fire Service Medics, since they are already generally supported by the

Fire Organizations. How do you get those medic to join?

M> Yes, I am. And you probably don't. What you get is those

organizations supporting you - having them " auto-join " their membership at

some affiliated rate, etc. Give them input into EMSAT, as they have valid

(albeit different, at times) concerns.

Don't know the answer, just voicing my disgust when the bus passes by

without so much as a honk!

M> Nothing wrong with that! :)

Tom

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Yes Tom, I am a Member.

Mike

EMSAT

Well, I am disgusted that EMS continually gets left out of significant

legislation changes. However, I have never been the least bit

disappointed

that Fire Departments and Police Departments gain through it.

I joined EMSAT! I don’t know how you could possibly get the 40,000 plus,

certified personnel to join….unless maybe you promised all the things that

the organization is supposed to work toward. You know, it is much easier

to

get members once you are established and have some significant gains

already

on the books. That is very much a problem.

By the way Mike, are you a member? I don’t think EMSAT holds much promise

for Fire Service Medics, since they are already generally supported by the

Fire Organizations. How do you get those medic to join?

Don’t know the answer, just voicing my disgust when the bus passes by

without so much as a honk!

Tom

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Just out of curiosity...what is the number of members joined in

EMSAT... This has probably been posted and I just haven't seen it..

Jeff EMT-I

(PS. sorry for not signing the last post before I get chastised by

someone)

> Yes Tom, I am a Member.

>

> Mike

> EMSAT

>

>

> Well, I am disgusted that EMS continually gets left out of

significant

> legislation changes. However, I have never been the least bit

> disappointed

> that Fire Departments and Police Departments gain through it.

>

> I joined EMSAT! I don't know how you could possibly get the

40,000 plus,

> certified personnel to join….unless maybe you promised all the

things that

> the organization is supposed to work toward. You know, it is

much easier

> to

> get members once you are established and have some significant

gains

> already

> on the books. That is very much a problem.

>

> By the way Mike, are you a member? I don't think EMSAT holds

much promise

> for Fire Service Medics, since they are already generally

supported by the

> Fire Organizations. How do you get those medic to join?

>

> Don't know the answer, just voicing my disgust when the bus

passes by

> without so much as a honk!

>

> Tom

>

>

>

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I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association Conference in

Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members, 176

instituitional members. They have a great web site (www.wisconsinems.com)

and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10 national

speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The conference was

opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40 exhibitors. We

could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than this in

Texas. Why don't we?

Bledsoe, DO

Midlothian, Texas

> Well, I am disgusted that EMS continually gets left out of significant

> legislation changes. However, I have never been the least bit

disappointed

> that Fire Departments and Police Departments gain through it.

>

> M> Me too. My point is, there is no EMS community. Just a bunch of

> EMS folks. We need a community. If you don't like EMSAT, do one of two

> things... join and run for a seat on the board, or start your own

> organization. At this point, even splintered organizations would be

better

> than nothing, as it would get people in the right frame of mind (and the

> splinter groups would iron themselves out when memberships started

changing

> between groups, etc. - just ask the labor unions how *they* got started).

>

> I joined EMSAT! I don't know how you could possibly get the 40,000 plus,

> certified personnel to join..unless maybe you promised all the things that

> the organization is supposed to work toward. You know, it is much easier

to

> get members once you are established and have some significant gains

already

> on the books. That is very much a problem.

>

> M> Yes, it is. But we need *enough* of a group to get a foothold.

> Need *enough* people being willing to take part, even if only to be a name

> on a roster (if that's what they want to be). For Ron to be able to walk

up

> to a lawmaker and say " EMSAT represents 10% of EMS in Texas, which is more

> than any other group ever has and we're still growing " would be a *HUGE*

> step forward. So would 5%. Or 1%. Get the picture?

>

> By the way Mike, are you a member? I don't think EMSAT holds much promise

> for Fire Service Medics, since they are already generally supported by the

> Fire Organizations. How do you get those medic to join?

>

> M> Yes, I am. And you probably don't. What you get is those

> organizations supporting you - having them " auto-join " their membership at

> some affiliated rate, etc. Give them input into EMSAT, as they have valid

> (albeit different, at times) concerns.

>

> Don't know the answer, just voicing my disgust when the bus passes by

> without so much as a honk!

>

> M> Nothing wrong with that! :)

>

> Tom

>

>

>

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Tony:

Unclear about your " why. " Why did I post that story or why should Texas

have a good association and conference? The Texas EMS conference, God bless

em', doesn't offer much from out of state. We are the greatest state in the

Union, but we don't have the market on EMS methodology and systems cornered.

EMSAT

Excellent point..Why?

>>

I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association Conference in

Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members, 176

instituitional members. They have a great web site (www.wisconsinems.com)

and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10 national

speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The conference was

opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40 exhibitors. We

could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than this in

Texas. Why don't we?

>>

In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about the

importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first encounter

with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't care if he

helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with him. I

think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we mentor

those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try my best

to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to achieve an

organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession because I love

it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something else.

Tom

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Tony:

Unclear about your " why. " Why did I post that story or why should Texas

have a good association and conference? The Texas EMS conference, God bless

em', doesn't offer much from out of state. We are the greatest state in the

Union, but we don't have the market on EMS methodology and systems cornered.

EMSAT

Excellent point..Why?

>>

I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association Conference in

Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members, 176

instituitional members. They have a great web site (www.wisconsinems.com)

and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10 national

speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The conference was

opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40 exhibitors. We

could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than this in

Texas. Why don't we?

>>

In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about the

importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first encounter

with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't care if he

helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with him. I

think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we mentor

those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try my best

to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to achieve an

organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession because I love

it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something else.

Tom

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Geesh!! I knew what I was thinking, I don't know why you can't know what I

was thinking........

E-mail is great, but often leaves out my entire thought process.. I'm in

agreement about Texas having the biggest, best, " Potential " EMS organization

in the World. I know the secret, but I don't know how to get it done.

Automatic enrollment at certification. Can you imagine the strength of an

organization with 40,000 members? However, that automatic enrollment must

also be accompanied with the " Fee " and therein lies the problem.

Anytime you start trying to pry additional money away from an already poorly

paid profession, the fur starts flying. I am the director of a rural

service with 8 full-time and 12 part-time personnel. I am currently the

only member of EMSAT, even though I crow about the possible benefits of a

strong organization. We even pay fairly well.

EMT Basic $6.25/hour

EMT-I $7.25/hour

EMT-P $9.90/hour

Sorry about the confusion,

Tom

Re: EMSAT

Tony:

Unclear about your " why. " Why did I post that story or why should Texas

have a good association and conference? The Texas EMS conference, God bless

em', doesn't offer much from out of state. We are the greatest state in the

Union, but we don't have the market on EMS methodology and systems cornered.

EMSAT

Excellent point..Why?

>>

I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association Conference in

Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members, 176

instituitional members. They have a great web site (www.wisconsinems.com)

and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10 national

speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The conference was

opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40 exhibitors. We

could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than this in

Texas. Why don't we?

>>

In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about the

importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first encounter

with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't care if he

helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with him. I

think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we mentor

those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try my best

to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to achieve an

organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession because I love

it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something else.

Tom

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Geesh!! I knew what I was thinking, I don't know why you can't know what I

was thinking........

E-mail is great, but often leaves out my entire thought process.. I'm in

agreement about Texas having the biggest, best, " Potential " EMS organization

in the World. I know the secret, but I don't know how to get it done.

Automatic enrollment at certification. Can you imagine the strength of an

organization with 40,000 members? However, that automatic enrollment must

also be accompanied with the " Fee " and therein lies the problem.

Anytime you start trying to pry additional money away from an already poorly

paid profession, the fur starts flying. I am the director of a rural

service with 8 full-time and 12 part-time personnel. I am currently the

only member of EMSAT, even though I crow about the possible benefits of a

strong organization. We even pay fairly well.

EMT Basic $6.25/hour

EMT-I $7.25/hour

EMT-P $9.90/hour

Sorry about the confusion,

Tom

Re: EMSAT

Tony:

Unclear about your " why. " Why did I post that story or why should Texas

have a good association and conference? The Texas EMS conference, God bless

em', doesn't offer much from out of state. We are the greatest state in the

Union, but we don't have the market on EMS methodology and systems cornered.

EMSAT

Excellent point..Why?

>>

I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association Conference in

Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members, 176

instituitional members. They have a great web site (www.wisconsinems.com)

and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10 national

speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The conference was

opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40 exhibitors. We

could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than this in

Texas. Why don't we?

>>

In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about the

importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first encounter

with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't care if he

helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with him. I

think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we mentor

those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try my best

to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to achieve an

organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession because I love

it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something else.

Tom

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Why is the Bar powerful? Mandatory membership. Imagine how powerful EMSAT

would be if every EMT, EMT-I, EMT-P, LP, etc was REQUIRED to join. Of

course, it's coercive, but no one ever said life was fair.

-Wes Ogilvie

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Why is the Bar powerful? Mandatory membership. Imagine how powerful EMSAT

would be if every EMT, EMT-I, EMT-P, LP, etc was REQUIRED to join. Of

course, it's coercive, but no one ever said life was fair.

-Wes Ogilvie

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The reason the Bar Associations are powerful is, as Wes says, membership is

mandatory. If we were to get a Board of EMS Examiners and get a portion of

yearly dues set aside for such an organization, we would suddenly be one of

the most powerful lobbies in Austin.

Did you read that the Houston FF have endorsed a candidate in the Senate

election? Think that doesn't mean anything? Politicos seek out

organizations that can help them. Think the DPS officers don't have clout?

I happen to know that they actively campaign for people they like, in terms

of putting up yard signs and so forth. Soo who gets the ear of the lege?

Politics is all about money and power, and EMS ain't got none of either.

Gene

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The only reason DPS isn't more powerful is because they are split amongst

several associations.

If you don't think PD and FD associations are powerful - watch how

politicians scramble all over themselves to list endorsements from various PD

and FD associations.

Wonder why your FD is considered a group of local heroes and gets new engines

which never respond unless they're backing EMS up? Simple politics. They

have an association to endorse candidates and give money. EMS doesn't.

Sorry for any who are offended by tonight's bluntness. (Picking up Gene's No

Spin Zone)

-Wes

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Well lets see....$1.00 x 40,000 people/members.... lets see how that

figures up, I don't think people would complain too much about a

dollar fee per year although that wouldn't help a bunch but it would

be a start to funding a orginazation.

Jeff

> Geesh!! I knew what I was thinking, I don't know why you can't

know what I

> was thinking........

>

> E-mail is great, but often leaves out my entire thought process..

I'm in

> agreement about Texas having the biggest, best, " Potential " EMS

organization

> in the World. I know the secret, but I don't know how to get it

done.

> Automatic enrollment at certification. Can you imagine the

strength of an

> organization with 40,000 members? However, that automatic

enrollment must

> also be accompanied with the " Fee " and therein lies the problem.

>

> Anytime you start trying to pry additional money away from an

already poorly

> paid profession, the fur starts flying. I am the director of a

rural

> service with 8 full-time and 12 part-time personnel. I am

currently the

> only member of EMSAT, even though I crow about the possible

benefits of a

> strong organization. We even pay fairly well.

>

> EMT Basic $6.25/hour

> EMT-I $7.25/hour

> EMT-P $9.90/hour

>

> Sorry about the confusion,

>

> Tom

>

> Re: EMSAT

>

> Tony:

>

> Unclear about your " why. " Why did I post that story or why should

Texas

> have a good association and conference? The Texas EMS conference,

God bless

> em', doesn't offer much from out of state. We are the greatest

state in the

> Union, but we don't have the market on EMS methodology and systems

cornered.

>

>

>

> EMSAT

>

>

> Excellent point..Why?

>

> >>

> I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association

Conference in

> Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members,

176

> instituitional members. They have a great web site

(www.wisconsinems.com)

> and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10

national

> speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The

conference was

> opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40

exhibitors. We

> could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than

this in

> Texas. Why don't we?

> >>

>

> In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about

the

> importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first

encounter

> with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't

care if he

> helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

>

> That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

> tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with

him. I

> think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we

mentor

> those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

>

> I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try

my best

> to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to

achieve an

> organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession

because I love

> it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something

else.

>

> Tom

>

>

>

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Well lets see....$1.00 x 40,000 people/members.... lets see how that

figures up, I don't think people would complain too much about a

dollar fee per year although that wouldn't help a bunch but it would

be a start to funding a orginazation.

Jeff

> Geesh!! I knew what I was thinking, I don't know why you can't

know what I

> was thinking........

>

> E-mail is great, but often leaves out my entire thought process..

I'm in

> agreement about Texas having the biggest, best, " Potential " EMS

organization

> in the World. I know the secret, but I don't know how to get it

done.

> Automatic enrollment at certification. Can you imagine the

strength of an

> organization with 40,000 members? However, that automatic

enrollment must

> also be accompanied with the " Fee " and therein lies the problem.

>

> Anytime you start trying to pry additional money away from an

already poorly

> paid profession, the fur starts flying. I am the director of a

rural

> service with 8 full-time and 12 part-time personnel. I am

currently the

> only member of EMSAT, even though I crow about the possible

benefits of a

> strong organization. We even pay fairly well.

>

> EMT Basic $6.25/hour

> EMT-I $7.25/hour

> EMT-P $9.90/hour

>

> Sorry about the confusion,

>

> Tom

>

> Re: EMSAT

>

> Tony:

>

> Unclear about your " why. " Why did I post that story or why should

Texas

> have a good association and conference? The Texas EMS conference,

God bless

> em', doesn't offer much from out of state. We are the greatest

state in the

> Union, but we don't have the market on EMS methodology and systems

cornered.

>

>

>

> EMSAT

>

>

> Excellent point..Why?

>

> >>

> I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association

Conference in

> Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members,

176

> instituitional members. They have a great web site

(www.wisconsinems.com)

> and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10

national

> speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The

conference was

> opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40

exhibitors. We

> could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than

this in

> Texas. Why don't we?

> >>

>

> In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about

the

> importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first

encounter

> with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't

care if he

> helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

>

> That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

> tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with

him. I

> think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we

mentor

> those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

>

> I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try

my best

> to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to

achieve an

> organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession

because I love

> it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something

else.

>

> Tom

>

>

>

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There's an old adage that says, " Be careful what you wish for---you might get

it. "

That stated, I think the idea of an independent licensing agency for EMS

people deserves serious thought and study. It must be recognized that the

legislative climate is utterly hostile to the creation of new agencies unless

it can be shown that they will creat revenues over and above their expenses.

It MIGHT be possible to do this, but it will take much work and study.

There are many facets of such an organization that would have to be studied,

not the least of which would be the makeup of the Board and how members would

be appointed or elected. The Supreme Court of Texas essentially governs the

practice of law, but the Bar Association's Board is elected by the members.

Following the model of the Bar Association, the Board would hire an Executive

Director who would be the administrative CEO of the organization. The Board

would set the rules for licensing, practice, and so forth.

I think we ought to examine the concept that ALL EMS people from the EMT

level up should be licensed.

We must grow our profession according to some new models if we expect to ever

gain widespread acceptance as a profession rather than a technical vocation.

Many in EMS have no real understanding of the meaning of being a

professional, unfortunately. For starters, it assumes that the practitioner

assumes responsibility for her/his actions and competence, adheres to the

highest standards, and devotes professional life to continuous improvement

and re-education without having to be coerced into doing so.

All professions " coerce " their members to keep up their " continuing

education " to some degree, but the best in all professions don't have to be

coerced. My physicians and my accountants and my dentist and my lawyer and

even my stock broker and insurance person maintain the highest level of

proficiency that they can because, guess what? THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS!!!

They also happen to earn lots more than EMS professionals do, because they

have DEGREES and LICENSES.

Welcome to the REAL world. It takes a long time to become a licensed

journeyman plumber or electrician, and once achieved, that status pays off

big time.

We need to develop our profession along those lines. What we do is so vital

to the wellbeing of the public and so difficult and complex that we ought to

be among the biggest earners. Why are we not? Because we, ourselves, don't

respect our profession. We suffer those among us who treat what they do as a

" job " to be endured until retirement time. (Apologies to NY and NY where

that means " a run. " )

We must be the masochists of all time, because we constantly put up with

discomfort in the workplace, bad employment practices, abuse from other

medical professionals including ourselves, starvation wages, lack of

recognition, and a myriad of other stuff just to have the joy of carrying a

450 pounder down 6 flights of stairs and then get fired for complaining of

back trouble.

If we had ONE BODY we could rule the world. The world WANTS to love us. The

world DOES love us, but they don't know much about us. Up until 9-11 they

thought we all rode around in nice shiny trucks, ate lots of donuts and fried

chicken, and had it made. Now they're forgetting about us once again.

Taliban is bigger news than who delivered a baby today or defibrillated a

lady at the Mall. That's a yawn, now. It's expected. And the public STILL

hasn't been educated to the fact that we get paid wages that place us below

the poverty level in many instances.

And we won't band together to stop it. It's easier to herd tomcats

ahorseback across an open field than to get EMS people together. Here kitty.

Gene

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There's an old adage that says, " Be careful what you wish for---you might get

it. "

That stated, I think the idea of an independent licensing agency for EMS

people deserves serious thought and study. It must be recognized that the

legislative climate is utterly hostile to the creation of new agencies unless

it can be shown that they will creat revenues over and above their expenses.

It MIGHT be possible to do this, but it will take much work and study.

There are many facets of such an organization that would have to be studied,

not the least of which would be the makeup of the Board and how members would

be appointed or elected. The Supreme Court of Texas essentially governs the

practice of law, but the Bar Association's Board is elected by the members.

Following the model of the Bar Association, the Board would hire an Executive

Director who would be the administrative CEO of the organization. The Board

would set the rules for licensing, practice, and so forth.

I think we ought to examine the concept that ALL EMS people from the EMT

level up should be licensed.

We must grow our profession according to some new models if we expect to ever

gain widespread acceptance as a profession rather than a technical vocation.

Many in EMS have no real understanding of the meaning of being a

professional, unfortunately. For starters, it assumes that the practitioner

assumes responsibility for her/his actions and competence, adheres to the

highest standards, and devotes professional life to continuous improvement

and re-education without having to be coerced into doing so.

All professions " coerce " their members to keep up their " continuing

education " to some degree, but the best in all professions don't have to be

coerced. My physicians and my accountants and my dentist and my lawyer and

even my stock broker and insurance person maintain the highest level of

proficiency that they can because, guess what? THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS!!!

They also happen to earn lots more than EMS professionals do, because they

have DEGREES and LICENSES.

Welcome to the REAL world. It takes a long time to become a licensed

journeyman plumber or electrician, and once achieved, that status pays off

big time.

We need to develop our profession along those lines. What we do is so vital

to the wellbeing of the public and so difficult and complex that we ought to

be among the biggest earners. Why are we not? Because we, ourselves, don't

respect our profession. We suffer those among us who treat what they do as a

" job " to be endured until retirement time. (Apologies to NY and NY where

that means " a run. " )

We must be the masochists of all time, because we constantly put up with

discomfort in the workplace, bad employment practices, abuse from other

medical professionals including ourselves, starvation wages, lack of

recognition, and a myriad of other stuff just to have the joy of carrying a

450 pounder down 6 flights of stairs and then get fired for complaining of

back trouble.

If we had ONE BODY we could rule the world. The world WANTS to love us. The

world DOES love us, but they don't know much about us. Up until 9-11 they

thought we all rode around in nice shiny trucks, ate lots of donuts and fried

chicken, and had it made. Now they're forgetting about us once again.

Taliban is bigger news than who delivered a baby today or defibrillated a

lady at the Mall. That's a yawn, now. It's expected. And the public STILL

hasn't been educated to the fact that we get paid wages that place us below

the poverty level in many instances.

And we won't band together to stop it. It's easier to herd tomcats

ahorseback across an open field than to get EMS people together. Here kitty.

Gene

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$35 isn't unreasonable, considering most professional orgs are 100+. $35 is

a dinner for two at a modest restaurant, or the cost of a computer game, or

$1 a day for a month, or a little under a dime a day for a year.

Mike ;)

EMSAT

> >

> >

> > Excellent point..Why?

> >

> > >>

> > I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association

> Conference in

> > Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members,

> 176

> > instituitional members. They have a great web site

> (www.wisconsinems.com)

> > and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10

> national

> > speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The

> conference was

> > opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40

> exhibitors. We

> > could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than

> this in

> > Texas. Why don't we?

> > >>

> >

> > In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about

> the

> > importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first

> encounter

> > with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't

> care if he

> > helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

> >

> > That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

> > tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with

> him. I

> > think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we

> mentor

> > those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

> >

> > I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try

> my best

> > to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to

> achieve an

> > organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession

> because I love

> > it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something

> else.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

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$35 isn't unreasonable, considering most professional orgs are 100+. $35 is

a dinner for two at a modest restaurant, or the cost of a computer game, or

$1 a day for a month, or a little under a dime a day for a year.

Mike ;)

EMSAT

> >

> >

> > Excellent point..Why?

> >

> > >>

> > I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association

> Conference in

> > Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members,

> 176

> > instituitional members. They have a great web site

> (www.wisconsinems.com)

> > and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10

> national

> > speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The

> conference was

> > opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40

> exhibitors. We

> > could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than

> this in

> > Texas. Why don't we?

> > >>

> >

> > In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about

> the

> > importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first

> encounter

> > with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't

> care if he

> > helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

> >

> > That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

> > tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with

> him. I

> > think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we

> mentor

> > those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

> >

> > I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try

> my best

> > to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to

> achieve an

> > organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession

> because I love

> > it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something

> else.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

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I think $ 35.00 is resonable. ACEP is $745.00 per year, Texas Medical

Association is about $ 450.00 per year. The National Association of EMS

Physicians is $ 250.00 per year.

B Bledsoe

EMSAT

> > >

> > >

> > > Excellent point..Why?

> > >

> > > >>

> > > I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association

> > Conference in

> > > Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members,

> > 176

> > > instituitional members. They have a great web site

> > (www.wisconsinems.com)

> > > and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10

> > national

> > > speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The

> > conference was

> > > opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40

> > exhibitors. We

> > > could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than

> > this in

> > > Texas. Why don't we?

> > > >>

> > >

> > > In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about

> > the

> > > importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first

> > encounter

> > > with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't

> > care if he

> > > helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

> > >

> > > That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

> > > tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with

> > him. I

> > > think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we

> > mentor

> > > those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

> > >

> > > I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try

> > my best

> > > to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to

> > achieve an

> > > organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession

> > because I love

> > > it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something

> > else.

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I think $ 35.00 is resonable. ACEP is $745.00 per year, Texas Medical

Association is about $ 450.00 per year. The National Association of EMS

Physicians is $ 250.00 per year.

B Bledsoe

EMSAT

> > >

> > >

> > > Excellent point..Why?

> > >

> > > >>

> > > I just returned from speaking at the Wisconsin EMS Association

> > Conference in

> > > Milwaukee. What an incredicle organization. Over 4,000 members,

> > 176

> > > instituitional members. They have a great web site

> > (www.wisconsinems.com)

> > > and a very good magazine. The conference drew 2,000 and had 10

> > national

> > > speakers (Baxter Larmon, Mike , Ken Bouvier, etc.). The

> > conference was

> > > opened with all you can drink champagne. There were 40

> > exhibitors. We

> > > could do a conference and have an organization 10 times better than

> > this in

> > > Texas. Why don't we?

> > > >>

> > >

> > > In my opinion, Texas EMS has become increasingly complacent about

> > the

> > > importance of our service to the public. As I recall my first

> > encounter

> > > with EMS training, my first preceptor was a burn-out. He didn't

> > care if he

> > > helped anyone, so long as he drew a paycheck.

> > >

> > > That lack of enthusiasm didn't affect me, but I'm sure it has had a

> > > tremendous affect on those personnel that have had to work with

> > him. I

> > > think we often forget that we mentor each other just as much as we

> > mentor

> > > those wide-eyed students that come to learn from us.

> > >

> > > I choose to be helpful. I choose to be friendly. I choose to try

> > my best

> > > to set a good example. I choose to join EMSAT in any attempt to

> > achieve an

> > > organized voice for MY profession. I choose this profession

> > because I love

> > > it and when I don't..God, give me the strength to choose something

> > else.

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> > >

> > >

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The bar issues what is essentially a license to practice.

If EMS had its own agency in Texas, that agency would be powerful in its own

right. Then, by proxy, EMSAT would be the " non-governmental "

representatives of those involved in EMS, like the IAFF is to fire fighters.

Mike :)

Re: Re: EMSAT

> Why is the Bar powerful? Mandatory membership. Imagine how powerful

EMSAT

> would be if every EMT, EMT-I, EMT-P, LP, etc was REQUIRED to join. Of

> course, it's coercive, but no one ever said life was fair.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

>

>

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The bar issues what is essentially a license to practice.

If EMS had its own agency in Texas, that agency would be powerful in its own

right. Then, by proxy, EMSAT would be the " non-governmental "

representatives of those involved in EMS, like the IAFF is to fire fighters.

Mike :)

Re: Re: EMSAT

> Why is the Bar powerful? Mandatory membership. Imagine how powerful

EMSAT

> would be if every EMT, EMT-I, EMT-P, LP, etc was REQUIRED to join. Of

> course, it's coercive, but no one ever said life was fair.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

>

>

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Gene:

Opportunity to be the brunt of lawyer jokes.... priceless

Re: Re: EMSAT

> I pay over $400.00 per year just to maintain " inactive " memberships in the

> two bar associations I belong to.

>

> Gene

>

>

>

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