Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 I totally agree!! One thing I can't stand is when people can't admit that their children are not perfect. I have a friend like that (we don't see them much anymore). Their favorite saying was , "not my child". It makes my skin crawl. I don't necessarily think parents should be held responsible for everything their kids do after a certain age but it is parents like that who will have the worst problems. It's too bad about the bully on the bus. My daughter has one in her gym class. She is so bothered about it that she hates going to gym. I feel bad for her because she is the one that is always defending the underdog. She even helped another girl in her after school daycare with her reading. No one liked this other girl because she was 'slow' and didn't dress the way the other kids did. I told kylie how sweet that was and she said "well, she can't help it". Just recently she put all her money- $20.00- into a collection at school to help a local pastor and his family who's moving van had been stolen. It had every last one of their belongings in it. I asked her how she ate lunch that day because some of that money was for her lunches. She said, "I didn't eat". I said "why didn't you save some for lunch?" She said "I can eat at home, but they don't have ANYTHING!" I don't think I have ever been more proud of her! I am not saying she is perfect and if someone told me she did something, I would give them the benefit of the doubt until I heard all sides. Take care, Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 In my last reply I stated that I didn't think parents should neccessarily be held accountable for everything that their kids do up to a certain age but what I neglected to mention is that I do strongly feel that EVERYONE, adults and children should be held accountable when they do wrong. My old friend who always said 'not my child' is the one whose child is always in trouble at school and she always makes up excuses. It must be the others kids influence, or someone framed him, etc.... RIDICULOUS! Schools are so different now. Kylie doesn't like junior high. She says that all the kids are swearing and there are far more bullies than at grade school. The only thing is the kids swear and no one says anything. She said that even one of her teacher aids told them to sit down and cut that s$@t out. And then she heard the same ta say the 'f' word under her breath. And they wonder why the kids are disrespectful these days!!!! Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Lynn Oh boy, did you hit a core in me. I live next door to the same problem. This kid was 9 when they moved in. He took over my property as if it were his own. His dad bought him a gun so he could go out and kill the wild animals. One day him and his buddies broke into someone's home, stole a gun and then went to our country post office and shot out the windows... there were people working in there and one was shot in the face. There son stood in front of the parents and lied up one side and down the other. They believed him, saying that he wouldn't do such a thing. Well, a neighbor saw the whole thing happen and testified that HE was the one who took the gun and shot at the postoffice. They took him away for 6 months... big deal. When he got out it was just a few short weeks before he shot my young dog with a shot gun. $550. later, of which I could not afford. I tried to get him convicted again... the father said HE shot the dog. I know different. They just didn't want him back in Juvenile home. Two weeks after that, he threw poisoned meat to her and she died that night. I tried to talk to the parents and there exact words were " HE WAS IN THE HOUSE THE WHOLE TIME...HE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING " ... Today he's twenty two and still NO job, lives at home, and takes the guns out and shoots at anything he wants to. I've asked why he's not working and she said that " It's hard to find a job when you live in the country " ... Hmmm, there are a ton of kids out here and they all have jobs. When my dog disappeared I thought of him right away and that he did something to her. Teasing in school or on the bus... parents have to learn to teach there kids differently. To defend a child only reinforces the bad behavior. To say " He/she doesn't know or understand what they were doing " is plan stupid. They not only know, they mean to make the other person hurt as much as possible, it gives them power. In todays schools you can't take the chance of something terrible happening. Parents need to be more responsible in teaching there children between right and wrong. It's not easy raising kids these days. But, if some parents let there kids run wild because it's easier on them... then the kids should go live with someone who can take better care of them.. My own opinion. We have a lot of great parents out there who are doing the right thing... then ny bad seed comes along to try to destroy the whole thing. Whew..told you that it really gets to me... Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Zanna... I don't know... what I saw at the conference Kylie is pretty close to being perfect. She reminded me so much of my daughter at that age. My daughter also stuck up for the underdogs all the time. Felt sorry for anyone and especially all animals. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 I agree Zanna... our schools are pitiful. One reason why people are starting to pull there kids out of public school an send them to private school. The public school allow swearing or they don't try to stop it.... freedom of speech ya know. But, let a child want to pray and look out. It's BAD for the school. My daughter attended experimental schools from K - 7th grade. When she hit jr high the world changed for her. The teachers were not only rude but the swearing was a bit much for me. When she entered the 10th grade I got her enrolled into another experimental school system and things were back to normal again. Rough two years though. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Vicki, I know exactly what you mean ...I taught high school English and I ran into so many parents who would just not take responsibility for their children and worse, they would not make their children take responsibility for themselves. I know why... It's because to accept that your children are to blame is to have to accept responsibility for them, and that's just too much work for some parents. Annette Re: Kids Today Lynn Oh boy, did you hit a core in me. I live next door to the same problem. This kid was 9 when they moved in. He took over my property as if it were his own. His dad bought him a gun so he could go out and kill the wild animals. One day him and his buddies broke into someone's home, stole a gun and then went to our country post office and shot out the windows... there were people working in there and one was shot in the face. There son stood in front of the parents and lied up one side and down the other. They believed him, saying that he wouldn't do such a thing. Well, a neighbor saw the whole thing happen and testified that HE was the one who took the gun and shot at the postoffice. They took him away for 6 months... big deal. When he got out it was just a few short weeks before he shot my young dog with a shot gun. $550. later, of which I could not afford. I tried to get him convicted again... the father said HE shot the dog. I know different. They just didn't want him back in Juvenile home. Two weeks after that, he threw poisoned meat to her and she died that night. I tried to talk to the parents and there exact words were " HE WAS IN THE HOUSE THE WHOLE TIME...HE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING " ... Today he's twenty two and still NO job, lives at home, and takes the guns out and shoots at anything he wants to. I've asked why he's not working and she said that " It's hard to find a job when you live in the country " ... Hmmm, there are a ton of kids out here and they all have jobs. When my dog disappeared I thought of him right away and that he did something to her. Teasing in school or on the bus... parents have to learn to teach there kids differently. To defend a child only reinforces the bad behavior. To say " He/she doesn't know or understand what they were doing " is plan stupid. They not only know, they mean to make the other person hurt as much as possible, it gives them power. In todays schools you can't take the chance of something terrible happening. Parents need to be more responsible in teaching there children between right and wrong. It's not easy raising kids these days. But, if some parents let there kids run wild because it's easier on them... then the kids should go live with someone who can take better care of them.. My own opinion. We have a lot of great parents out there who are doing the right thing... then ny bad seed comes along to try to destroy the whole thing. Whew..told you that it really gets to me... Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Hi Annette... Very correct... some parents don't want to believe that their kids are horrid because it would reflect on their parenting. Pretty sad I say. I don't expect all parents to be the best. I know parents who do all the right things but I can say the kids are just devils, and the parents of these kids admit it. I feel for them. A lot of parents just let the kids do whatever it is they want to do. I am so glad I'm not a parent today... I would be pulling my hair out of my head. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 OK, kind of on the same note. had a horrible experience last week. On Tuesday he got hit in the head with a rock from a little boy who's mom said that " boys will be boys " . Chase threw a rock at , threw one back, Chase threw a really big rock at and then an even bigger rock at , hit him in the head and the school nurse had to call me. I punished at home, he had to stay in for the afternoon but Chase didn't get in trouble at all. I explained why even 1 rock, was 1 rock too many. cried when the rock hit him but he didn't even have a bump on his head. On Thursday, was written up for " assault " on the school bus. Went something like this: was crying and when the driver asked him why, said because had hit him in the eye because had been laying on top of . When it all got worked out in the office, with sobbing because he was called into the principal's office, and not caring a less that he was called into the principals office, the story went something like this according to : kept ramming himself into . told that he had lots of boo-boo's so it hurt when did that, no that did not make stop (now you all know how much it hurt to hear that a boy kept ramming his whole body into and no one knows more then this group of people how much that would hurt !) then goes on to tell the principal that hit him in the eye with his elbow when put his arms down and that hit him on accident. didn't have a good answer as to why he didn't tell the bus driver all of this. walked out of the office and a correction was made on 's paperwork, that will now be a permanent part of his file. The bus driver actually wrote on the paper. " hit in the eye causing pain and tears because was laying on top of and wouldn't get up " . Now goofing around on the bus can not be allowed but does that make sense that he would only write up ? I don't have a problem with being written up but I do have a problem with not being written up. I think sometimes this zero tolenance rule goes too far. That afternoon when the driver dropped off I made sure he understood that he had completely misunderstood the situation. You never take one child's word over another. When he realized he'd made a mistake he was too happy to point out that had hit again on the way home. Witnesses then told us that a boy had gotten under 's seat and was pulling on both of 's his legs. Ouch! Only 's calves, ankles and feet would be hanging off of the seat and a kid was pulling on them. got his legs up and then looked over the back of his seat and was reaching down for the kid. Sounds like was trying to hit him but right or wrong I didn't say anything to about him trying to hit the kids under his seat. I figured the had had enough and after some point you have to be able to defend yourself. It wasn't until Friday, on a field trip with my oldest that she informed me that on thurs. morning the bus driver had emptied the bus so that it was just him and on it. was crying and had said, " hit me in the eye " . No more questions were asked, the driver told everyone but to get off. When the driver was done letting have it, verbally, got off the bus hysterical he was so upset. won't even tell us what the driver said to him. I met with the principal to let her know how VERY inappropriate I thought it was for the bus driver to be on the bus, alone with . She agreed, especially since hadn't done anything wrong. I told her it was probably safe to assume, that he hadn't bothered get 's side of the story since was so distraught and on Friday morning was terrified to get on the bus. I would of never put him on it again if I'd of known he'd had been left on the bus, by himself, with this man. This is a 300 pound man who had always been very pleasant to me. How scary for a 5 year old. His sisters waited outside the bus, feeling very helpless and walked to his room. did tell us today that the time I had reported to the driver that a boy named Jordan had repeatedly been hitting , knocking his head into the window and calling him names, The driver had asked about it and said he was afraid to tell the driver yes so he told him that no, Jordan hadn't hit him. The driver then told to " get lost " . I asked if the driver was trying to be funny and said no he was scary. kept hiding under his blanket when he talked to us. The principal wants me to call the bus department on monday. You can bet I will. I am sorry this is so long winded but when I think of all the things this kid has overcome this far and what it takes for him to get through an 8 hour day to keep up with the other kids and it makes me furious that a 300lb bully is putting him through this. I don't know why. I don't want to be one of those parents that say, " My child would never... " but I do believe was treated very unfairly. My blood boils when I think of it. Had hit the child he would of had to have faced the punishment the school handed him. I would not have made excuses for him and bailed him out. I am glad the principal was so insightful. It breaks my heart to think of trapped on that bus with that man. How frightened he must of been. I know that in time will tell us what he said to him. How do you explain to that even though the driver is an adult, he is still wrong? Again, sorry to be so long but most of you have known since he was unable to even walk. An obstacle like this in his way, he doesn't need! Hugs, Cari zavic@... >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: OurMyositis >Subject: Re: Kids Today >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Lynn > >Oh boy, did you hit a core in me. I live next door to the same problem. >This kid was 9 when they moved in. He took over my property as if it >were his own. His dad bought him a gun so he could go out and kill the >wild animals. > >One day him and his buddies broke into someone's home, stole a gun and >then went to our country post office and shot out the windows... there >were people working in there and one was shot in the face. There son >stood in front of the parents and lied up one side and down the other. >They believed him, saying that he wouldn't do such a thing. Well, a >neighbor saw the whole thing happen and testified that HE was the one >who took the gun and shot at the postoffice. They took him away for 6 >months... big deal. When he got out it was just a few short weeks >before he shot my young dog with a shot gun. $550. later, of which I >could not afford. I tried to get him convicted again... the father said >HE shot the dog. I know different. They just didn't want him back in >Juvenile home. Two weeks after that, he threw poisoned meat to her >and she died that night. I tried to talk to the parents and there exact >words were " HE WAS IN THE HOUSE THE WHOLE TIME...HE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH >A THING " ... Today he's twenty two and still NO job, lives at home, and >takes the guns out and shoots at anything he wants to. I've asked why >he's not working and she said that " It's hard to find a job when you >live in the country " ... Hmmm, there are a ton of kids out here and they >all have jobs. When my dog disappeared I thought of him right away and >that he did something to her. > >Teasing in school or on the bus... parents have to learn to teach there >kids differently. To defend a child only reinforces the bad behavior. >To say " He/she doesn't know or understand what they were doing " is plan >stupid. They not only know, they mean to make the other person hurt as >much as possible, it gives them power. > >In todays schools you can't take the chance of something terrible >happening. Parents need to be more responsible in teaching there >children between right and wrong. > >It's not easy raising kids these days. But, if some parents let there >kids run wild because it's easier on them... then the kids should go >live with someone who can take better care of them.. My own opinion. We >have a lot of great parents out there who are doing the right thing... >then ny bad seed comes along to try to destroy the whole thing. > >Whew..told you that it really gets to me... >Vicki > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Zanna, Kylie sounds like an amazing young lady. You sound like you have every right to be proud of her. Cari >From: wischic68@... >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: OurMyositis >Subject: Re: Kids Today >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:49:10 EDT > >I totally agree!! >One thing I can't stand is when people can't admit that their children are >not perfect. I have a friend like that (we don't see them much anymore). >Their favorite saying was , " not my child " . It makes my skin crawl. I >don't necessarily think parents should be held responsible for everything >their kids do after a certain age but it is parents like that who will have >the worst problems. >It's too bad about the bully on the bus. My daughter has one in her gym >class. She is so bothered about it that she hates going to gym. I feel >bad >for her because she is the one that is always defending the underdog. She >even helped another girl in her after school daycare with her reading. No >one liked this other girl because she was 'slow' and didn't dress the way >the >other kids did. I told kylie how sweet that was and she said " well, she >can't help it " . Just recently she put all her money- $20.00- into a >collection at school to help a local pastor and his family who's moving van >had been stolen. It had every last one of their belongings in it. I asked >her how she ate lunch that day because some of that money was for her >lunches. She said, " I didn't eat " . I said " why didn't you save some for >lunch? " She said " I can eat at home, but they don't have ANYTHING! " I >don't >think I have ever been more proud of her! I am not saying she is perfect >and >if someone told me she did something, I would give them the benefit of the >doubt until I heard all sides. >Take care, >Zanna _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Oh My gosh Cari... I certainly would call them about the bus driver. It's not a good thing to do at any time with any child. He has no right to detain a 5 yr old like that. We try to teach our kids to not talk to strangers and not let anyone hold or detain you. This is just as bad. Poor must have been so scared. Maybe the bus driver thought that would tell him the truth as to what really happened to him. But if that's the case he should have instructed your daughter to come on the bus and listen to what was going on. has been through so much in his young life that he doesn't need all this happening to him. I wonder though why so many kids are moving around on the bus. Maybe this bus driver should stop the bus and make everyone sit still. I think all kids should be strapped in yet I also know that our own buses don't have seat belts in them. Hugs for Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Vicki, I don't think the driver even asked what the truth was. He seemed to take 's word. I had never heard 's name before this past Thurs. I think outside the bus would of been a good time to have spoken to both boys. The last few weeks my daughters have been telling me of different incidences on the bus. All of a sudden, it seems that discipline has become a problem. My oldest is quite a rule follower and has no patience for others that don't follow the rules. No, our buses don't have seat belts either. My children are now car riders. I will drive them back and forth. I did it all last year and at the beginning of this year but I heard such high reports of this bus driver and how orderly the bus was. Everyone sat in assigned seats by age, etc.. The bus stops right in front of our house. I always enjoyed taking them and picking them up and hearing about their day on the way home before we have to jump into homework. Driving them will be better all around and I will be removing from any further verbal abuse from the driver. I want to shake out of him what the driver said to him but he seems almost afraid to tell us. is not acting any different. I will let you know how it goes on Monday! I don't want a phone meeting. I want this one to be face to face. Thanks for your understanding. Only you guys understand the journey this boy has been on. Hugs, Cari d heard >From: anzavic@... >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: OurMyositis >Subject: Re: Kids Today >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:11:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Oh My gosh Cari... I certainly would call them about the bus driver. >It's not a good thing to do at any time with any child. He has no right >to detain a 5 yr old like that. We try to teach our kids to not talk to >strangers and not let anyone hold or detain you. This is just as bad. >Poor must have been so scared. Maybe the bus driver thought that > would tell him the truth as to what really happened to him. But >if that's the case he should have instructed your daughter to come on >the bus and listen to what was going on. > has been through so much in his young life that he doesn't need >all this happening to him. I wonder though why so many kids are moving >around on the bus. Maybe this bus driver should stop the bus and make >everyone sit still. I think all kids should be strapped in yet I also >know that our own buses don't have seat belts in them. > >Hugs for >Vicki > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 My daughter rode the bus exactly twice and that was enough .... From that point on I drove her to and from school until she got her licence. Kids don't need that trauma especially . Take care, Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 She is a good kid. She could hardly get her head in the door when we got home!!! She had so many compliments!!!! She really didn't take it to her head too much. I enjoy her immensely. I just put braids all over her head tonight. 50 in all. I am surprised I can even type, my fingers are sooooooooo sore! By tomorrow I probably won't be able to move them. Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 I soooooooo wish we could afford private school. My disability has been approved but because of some ding bat at the office who has lost my form twice now stating that my short term disability had run out in june, I haven't received a payment for 3 months. We have been borrowing from savings just to pay the mortgage. I had thought about home schooling but some days I just lay in bed all day. She would never learn anything. It is frustrating. So, we pray a lot. It will all work out in the end. She is a strong kid. She loves animals too, even though she killed her first two pets. She had a goldfish that she took out of its bowl to pet and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't swim anymore. She was 4 then. At 6 we got her a hamster. He bit her and she reacted by squeezing him- a little harder than she thought because he died from internal bleeding. She was absolutely crushed. We got her another hamster who she adored and loved and he died of natural causes at 2 and a 1/2. We want to get a dog eventually but it will be little while. I am so tired. Gotta go. God bless everyone. Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Cari, This shows that adults often behave worse than the children they have under their charge. One good thing: I suspect that will get over this before YOU do! Kids are so resilient, and has been through so much in his young life, and with you offering your constant and loving care, will just grow stronger because of this incident. Annette Re: Kids Today >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Lynn > >Oh boy, did you hit a core in me. I live next door to the same problem. >This kid was 9 when they moved in. He took over my property as if it >were his own. His dad bought him a gun so he could go out and kill the >wild animals. > >One day him and his buddies broke into someone's home, stole a gun and >then went to our country post office and shot out the windows... there >were people working in there and one was shot in the face. There son >stood in front of the parents and lied up one side and down the other. >They believed him, saying that he wouldn't do such a thing. Well, a >neighbor saw the whole thing happen and testified that HE was the one >who took the gun and shot at the postoffice. They took him away for 6 >months... big deal. When he got out it was just a few short weeks >before he shot my young dog with a shot gun. $550. later, of which I >could not afford. I tried to get him convicted again... the father said >HE shot the dog. I know different. They just didn't want him back in >Juvenile home. Two weeks after that, he threw poisoned meat to her >and she died that night. I tried to talk to the parents and there exact >words were " HE WAS IN THE HOUSE THE WHOLE TIME...HE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH >A THING " ... Today he's twenty two and still NO job, lives at home, and >takes the guns out and shoots at anything he wants to. I've asked why >he's not working and she said that " It's hard to find a job when you >live in the country " ... Hmmm, there are a ton of kids out here and they >all have jobs. When my dog disappeared I thought of him right away and >that he did something to her. > >Teasing in school or on the bus... parents have to learn to teach there >kids differently. To defend a child only reinforces the bad behavior. >To say " He/she doesn't know or understand what they were doing " is plan >stupid. They not only know, they mean to make the other person hurt as >much as possible, it gives them power. > >In todays schools you can't take the chance of something terrible >happening. Parents need to be more responsible in teaching there >children between right and wrong. > >It's not easy raising kids these days. But, if some parents let there >kids run wild because it's easier on them... then the kids should go >live with someone who can take better care of them.. My own opinion. We >have a lot of great parents out there who are doing the right thing... >then ny bad seed comes along to try to destroy the whole thing. > >Whew..told you that it really gets to me... >Vicki > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Zanna, Unbelievable! We had almost the exact same situation last year. My Shelby was in the third grade and a boy in her class was sexually harrassing her. He would rub her bottom, say things that no 9 year old should have a vocabulary for and you don't even want to know what he did with a hot dog in front of her in the lunch room. Which was seen by an adult. The school did take action, immediately, and yet it was a battle for a few months. They gave Shelby the option to switch rooms and she said she shouldn't have to so they moved him. That caused Shelby a lot of stress because now another girl would be his target. I explained that wasn't her responsibility to worry about but I'm afraid she was right. No parents wanted that boy in their room. We tried to go to bat for the boy too. Obviously the home life was a problem but without the parents cooperation the school isn't authorized to get the boy counceling. The parents are extremely wealthy and therefore threatened with lawyers, etc. etc. I cried often for what he had taken from Shelby. She now had far more knowledge of a sexual nature then any 9 year old should have. Everytime we thought the situation was under control the boy would do something else to her. He was very clever, manipulative and sneaky. Shelby consistently held her ground with him and stood up to him when he would lie about what he had done. We had many parents criticize us for not having had the boy arrested. That was my first instinct, but Shelby would of ultimately paid the highest price in the court room. She wasn't up for that battle. After our story got around, many parents called us or came up and introduced themselves to share their own unbelieveable story of their own experience with this family. The county has gone in and tried to remove the children. They are in a private school this year but I fear how long that will last. Not hard to kick someone out of a private school. We can never undo the damage these boys have done and I know exactly how your felt about this situation. Maybe Kylie and Shelby could be e-mail pals. Shelby had friends tell their parents that they didn't want to play with Shelby anymore at school because they didn't want to have to deal with this boy too. Broke my heart. Shelby is having a fantastic year this year. Thank goodness. We stood by her and fought as much of the battle for her as we could. My heart goes out to you Zanna. Hugs, Cari >From: wischic68@... >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: OurMyositis >Subject: Re: Kids Today >Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:57:55 EDT > >You should not have to remove . He is the victim. The bus driver >needs >to be severly reprimanded, if not fired, and sent to highway cleanup duty >or >what ever they do to punish them. Lord knows, they are afraid to fire >anyone >anymore. >My daughter was being sexually harrassed by a boy in 3rd grade. Never >thought I would have to use those words about a 3rd grader but he was an 8 >year old slime ball. He got suspended. the principal didn't bother to >call >me. my daughter told me. I called the principal and asked why she didn't >call me. I wnat to know when my daughter is the victim of harrassement. >She >said it is not her policy to tell the other parent when a child is >punished. >I said 'punished?' I want ot know that it happened to my daughter first of >all and I should be told that he was punished. Well she finally agreed >with >me and assured me that in the future, she would call. Guess what? 3 >months >later, he did it again. No call. I called district office immediately. >He >told me that I should have received a phone call and have every right to >know >that he was punished. The next year they put her in the same class as him. >The principal said she would be glad to move Kylie to another class but she >would not move him. All her friends were in that class. Kylie didn't want >to leave but the principal wouldn't budge. The teacher said that she would >put kylie on the other side of the room and watch them. Things were ok for >a >while then he started harrassing one of kylies friends and when HIS mom >called and asked him to be moved he was moved that day. Go figure, huh? >We >ask to have the problem moved and they say no way and the problem asked to >be >moved and its done immediately. >Zanna _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 You are right Annette. will probably get over this faster then I will. I had to laugh out loud when I read that. Just can't stand the thought of an adult scaring my child like that. I was looking at the report and he checked the box by " Fighting/Assault/Physical Abuse " and he had crossed out " Fighting " . What was the man thinking? He even put in the report that the boy had been laying on . Good grief. I am looking forward to my meeting tomorrow. Got a lot to get off my chest. Hugs, Cari > >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: <OurMyositis > >Subject: RE: Kids Today >Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:16:47 -0400 > >Cari, > This shows that adults often behave worse than the children they have >under their charge. One good thing: I suspect that will get over >this >before YOU do! Kids are so resilient, and has been through so much >in >his young life, and with you offering your constant and loving care, >will just grow stronger because of this incident. Annette > > Re: Kids Today > >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >Lynn > > > >Oh boy, did you hit a core in me. I live next door to the same problem. > >This kid was 9 when they moved in. He took over my property as if it > >were his own. His dad bought him a gun so he could go out and kill the > >wild animals. > > > >One day him and his buddies broke into someone's home, stole a gun and > >then went to our country post office and shot out the windows... there > >were people working in there and one was shot in the face. There son > >stood in front of the parents and lied up one side and down the other. > >They believed him, saying that he wouldn't do such a thing. Well, a > >neighbor saw the whole thing happen and testified that HE was the one > >who took the gun and shot at the postoffice. They took him away for 6 > >months... big deal. When he got out it was just a few short weeks > >before he shot my young dog with a shot gun. $550. later, of which I > >could not afford. I tried to get him convicted again... the father said > >HE shot the dog. I know different. They just didn't want him back in > >Juvenile home. Two weeks after that, he threw poisoned meat to her > >and she died that night. I tried to talk to the parents and there exact > >words were " HE WAS IN THE HOUSE THE WHOLE TIME...HE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH > >A THING " ... Today he's twenty two and still NO job, lives at home, and > >takes the guns out and shoots at anything he wants to. I've asked why > >he's not working and she said that " It's hard to find a job when you > >live in the country " ... Hmmm, there are a ton of kids out here and they > >all have jobs. When my dog disappeared I thought of him right away and > >that he did something to her. > > > >Teasing in school or on the bus... parents have to learn to teach there > >kids differently. To defend a child only reinforces the bad behavior. > >To say " He/she doesn't know or understand what they were doing " is plan > >stupid. They not only know, they mean to make the other person hurt as > >much as possible, it gives them power. > > > >In todays schools you can't take the chance of something terrible > >happening. Parents need to be more responsible in teaching there > >children between right and wrong. > > > >It's not easy raising kids these days. But, if some parents let there > >kids run wild because it's easier on them... then the kids should go > >live with someone who can take better care of them.. My own opinion. We > >have a lot of great parents out there who are doing the right thing... > >then ny bad seed comes along to try to destroy the whole thing. > > > >Whew..told you that it really gets to me... > >Vicki > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hi Zanna, We are a hamster family too. My husband is extremely allergic to cats and dogs. lost his hamster of 2 1/2 years a few weeks ago. She is buried in the backyard with a mum for a headstone. May " Flower " rest in peace. Now he has an albino hamster named " Frosty " . I prefer the fluffy brown ones myself. Can't cuddle a hamster very well! Hugs, Cari >From: wischic68@... >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: OurMyositis >Subject: Re: Kids Today >Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:31:29 EDT > >I soooooooo wish we could afford private school. My disability has been >approved but because of some ding bat at the office who has lost my form >twice now stating that my short term disability had run out in june, I >haven't received a payment for 3 months. We have been borrowing from >savings >just to pay the mortgage. I had thought about home schooling but some days >I >just lay in bed all day. She would never learn anything. It is >frustrating. > So, we pray a lot. It will all work out in the end. She is a strong >kid. >She loves animals too, even though she killed her first two pets. She had >a >goldfish that she took out of its bowl to pet and couldn't figure out why >it >wouldn't swim anymore. She was 4 then. At 6 we got her a hamster. He bit >her and she reacted by squeezing him- a little harder than she thought >because he died from internal bleeding. She was absolutely crushed. We >got >her another hamster who she adored and loved and he died of natural causes >at >2 and a 1/2. We want to get a dog eventually but it will be little while. >I am so tired. >Gotta go. >God bless everyone. >Zanna _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Zanna..... Didn't mean to make her head big... :~) but I enjoyed her company so much at the conference. She has the knack of making a person feel very comfortable around her. Now, how on earth did you manage to put braids in her hair? It hurt my hands just thinking about it. I bet she looks cute with all the braids although she was pretty cute without them. By the way I emailed , the hairdresser, the other night and still haven't heard from her. I'm hoping she remembers me and doesn't think I'm some flake wanting to talk trash to her...lol I never got Dorothy's email addy but I gave her mine. Hope she email's me... would like to keep in touch with both. Take care, Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Gosh, I wish you had a picture of her! 50 braids, eh? Sounds cute. Lynn --- wischic68@... wrote: > She is a good kid. She could hardly get her head in > the door when we got > home!!! She had so many compliments!!!! She really > didn't take it to her > head too much. I enjoy her immensely. I just put > braids all over her head > tonight. 50 in all. I am surprised I can even > type, my fingers are > sooooooooo sore! By tomorrow I probably won't be > able to move them. > Zanna > ===== ~*~*~Each mighty oak at one time was a nut who stood her ground.*~*~*~*~ __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 I really don't know how I managed. Some days I can't even manage to brush her hair. It is very cute and she said that kids she didn't even know came up to her and said so. She was beaming. She had a good day. I haven't heard from either one either. I know that both of them have my email though. Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 I was on short term from the state for one year. It ended on june 27th. I was also on federal with a partial payment. At the time my short term ended, they were supposed to send me an increase. They said they wanted the statement from short term that said it was my last payment. I sent them a copy and they sent it back because they only deal with originals. I sent the original. I got it back. 2 months later I call because they said it could take 2 months. They say they never received it and then the guy accused my of probably sending it to the wrong place. I didn't send it wrong I sent it to his office. So anyway, I called short term and got a payment history and found my other statement and this time I am sending them certified. Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 I do need to take a picture. Lord knows when I will ever do this again! Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Hi Zanna..... I remember you telling me that you worked for Home Depot, right? Didn't they have Short and Long term disability for you? Most large companies do but don't tell there employees... go figure. Now I'm confused, but that's pretty easy for me to do, what do you mean you're on Federal with a partial payment???? What type of federal? I learned a long time ago that any time you send to a government or state agency.... send it certified. It's a pain, but it quickly stops the " You sent it to the wrong address " ... IRS does the very same thing. It's just because there to lazy to look for it. Hope you had a great day and I'm so happy to hear Kylies braids were a big hit at school.... Take care, Vicki I was on short term from the state for one year. It ended on june 27th. I was also on federal with a partial payment. At the time my short term ended, they were supposed to send me an increase. They said they wanted the statement from short term that said it was my last payment. I sent them a copy and they sent it back because they only deal with originals. I sent the original. I got it back. 2 months later I call because they said it could take 2 months. They say they never received it and then the guy accused my of probably sending it to the wrong place. I didn't send it wrong I sent it to his office. So anyway, I called short term and got a payment history and found my other statement and this time I am sending them certified. Zanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 Zanna, Shelby is 9. Will be 10 in Jan and in the 4th grade. She is like Kylie and checks her e-mail every now and then but loves to correspond with her cousins etc. We looked into finding her an e-mail pal about a year ago but I just never found a sight that I felt comfortable with her sharing information. This situation may just work out great. Our school has counselors but they dropped the ball with Shelby. I am sure she didn't open up right away and I think they thought she was just fine. I just wanted her to have someone she could say anything to. Her parents and teacher had to take action, a counselor could of just been sympathetic. During the middle of all of this Shelby remarked to me that this boy must always be in trouble at home. I explained to her that I think the problem is that he is NEVER in trouble. No one holds him accountable for his actions or makes him face responsibility for anything he does. That's why he is going out of his way to be in so much trouble. Trying to get his parents attention. We have found that Shelby is a much stronger person and doesn't put up with too much from anyone. If someone is invading her space or making her feel uncomfortable she stands her ground. I guess that is a good thing but I hate what she had to go through. I am glad Kylie wasn't in trouble for kicking that boy. Our girls have to know they can defend themselves when they feel threatened. I will pass on Kylie's e-mail address when Shelby gets home from school. Hopefully they will strike a friendship. Hugs, Cari >From: wischic68@... >Reply-To: OurMyositis >To: OurMyositis >Subject: Re: Kids Today >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:59:07 EDT > >I agree with the not going to court. Kylie had a boy at her new school >that >was saying sexual things to her and she kicked him. I asked her why and >she >said that all she could think of was what the other boy did to her and she >was afraid of him. They didn't punish her for kicking him because the >stuff >he said was pretty bad but, I wish they had a better counseling system in >schools (her grade school had none) because almost 3 years later, this is >still bothering her. And, I have stressed to her that not all guys are >like >that and not to treat them all like they are!!! > >This boy's home life was horrible. He doesn't know his dad and his mom was >pretty wild. His grandma was raising him and I heard him yelling at her at >school one day and she did exactly what he told her to do. That's where >the >problem is, he was telling the adults what to do. And they let him. He >was >a little scheister anyway. We are no longer at that school because we >moved >to another city when we bought our house. But now she is in junior high >and >not liking that. How old is Shelby? Kylie is 11 now. I am sure she would >love to be email pals with shelby. Although, tell shelby not to be >discouraged because Kylie sometimes goes a couple of weeks without checking >her mail. But when she does, she always answers everyone. I will email >you >with her address. Oh, our 3 year old son was going to be named shelby had >he >been a girl. I love that name! >Zanna > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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