Re: First signs of hearing with HA; Phonak Novo F

[Guest guest]

Just a congrats to you and Dominic and your family. It is amazing to see kids

start using their expressive language after all the hard work that they have put

into 'learning to listen'. My son was two when he said his first word: mom (of

course). Good luck!

in TX

, 4 - deaf; and , almost 8 (still plays doggie, anyone else's kid

do that???)

PS: 's first sign was MORE as in " more to EAT, please " !!!!

> A week ago he started to babble ('ma-ma-ma-ma',

> 'ba-ba-ba-ba', 'va-va-va-va'). He also has three word approximations,

> for 'car', 'ball', and 'moo' (cow). He uses about 40 signs.

[Guest guest]

Hi Listmates..

I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help children with speech? My

son knows some sign lang. But he is being more verbal and is trying to talk

Do you think cued speech would be better for this situation? I dont want to

confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

Thank you for your time

Ruth

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

Cued Speech is great for gaining fluency in a spoken language, ease of

communication in the parents' native language, and for literacy. I've

heard and seen that it does help speech so far as it makes visual what

sound one is shooting for.

However, it is not some magical cure as far as producing clear speech.

So many factors contribute to that, but Cued Speech doesn't really

" clarify " speech other than to help the child see the sound he/she needs

to be making. It is a good tool for speech therapists to use during

speech therapy.

Darla

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:27:56 -0500 " Ruth Craddock "

writes:

> Hi Listmates..

>

> I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help children with

> speech? My

> son knows some sign lang. But he is being more verbal and is trying

> to talk

> Do you think cued speech would be better for this situation? I dont

> want to

> confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> Thank you for your time

> Ruth

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each

> post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore

> subject to copyright restrictions.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:47 PM 3/6/01 -0600, you wrote:

>Just a congrats to you and Dominic and your family. It is amazing to see kids

>start using their expressive language after all the hard work that they

>have put

>into 'learning to listen'. My son was two when he said his first word: mom (of

>course). Good luck!

> in TX

>, 4 - deaf; and , almost 8 (still plays doggie, anyone

>else's kid

>do that???)

>PS: 's first sign was MORE as in " more to EAT, please " !!!!

My 's was " light " , followed quickly by " more " , in the same context

as yours. Feed me!!!

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Ruth, my experience with cued speech is that it is a good reinforcer for speech.

When Darby drops sounds from her words I can cue them to her. I also use it to

introduce

new words to her. Darby had pretty good speech before we started to cue, her

loss is progressive, so I don't have experience using it to teach speech, but I

know that

all the " professionals " are always amazed that, not only has she not lost any of

her speech, she's actually improved. Sharon

Ruth Craddock wrote:

> Hi Listmates..

>

> I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help children with speech? My

> son knows some sign lang. But he is being more verbal and is trying to talk

> Do you think cued speech would be better for this situation? I dont want to

> confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> Thank you for your time

> Ruth

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

restrictions.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cueing is an EXCELLENT tool for speech development. It is basically

visual phonics. You use different hand shapes and movements to make the

sounds of speech with your hands and mouth movements. The child uses

the cues to improve his lipreading and help use residual hearing.

Sometimes, it used to take us 100 repetitions of a word with intense

frustration on 's part before he could say it correctly. Now, about

95 percent of the time, we require no more than two repetitions before

he can pronounce it exactly. Even including the correct syllable

emphasis. Once a child knows how to make the individual sounds, the

cues show him how to string them together for new words. For example,

if the child can say ch, ah, puh, you can have them say the word chop.

You cue the ch sound, then the ah sound, then the puh sound. This is

done very rapidly so you see the word ch-ah-p. Same with encyclopedia.

You cue the en, s, aye, k l uh pe de uh. You don't cue the spelling.

You cue the pronunciation. You use different hand shapes and touches

around the mouth to tell the child which of the sounds your making with

your voice/mouth. You string them together, and the child knows exactly

what sounds to reproduce. It's VERY different from sign language where

each sign is a word/concept and has nothing to do whats-so-ever with the

pronunciation of the word/concept. You don't cue words/concepts. You

cue the sounds of the words/concepts. You cue the sounds of the

words/concepts in any language. You're only visually representing the

sounds we hear. Because the concept is so different, it's very easy to

differentiate the two visual systems once the child understands this

fact. Just as in a bilingual family, there are different times when one

is more appropriate than the other. Many people have adapted sign

language to allow them to use it as a phonetic system. However, there

is no standard system in place for every child who signs which takes

sign and translates it into the sounds of speech. Thus, each person

implementing such a system does it differently. This is what we used to

first teach phonics. We adapted the signs along with written cues.

It was so much easier to do when we all learned cueing. Cued speech has

a system in place which is designed for this very purpose.

Our son had no ability to lipread when he was 8. Since he began using

cued speech at age 8, he's become proficient at understanding cued

speech AND lipreading. It's worked a small miracle for him. We offered

him sign language from birth since I had already been involved in the

deaf community and signing (non-ASL) since 1972. He refused it at age 4

when he started to speak. He said, " Use mouth Mommy, no hands! " He

would close his eyes when we signed. Subsequently, we found out through

massive testing that he is an auditory learner who can't hear. He

struggles with visual processing so sign was very hard for him to

learn. It taught us one very important lesson. Just because you're

deaf, doesn't mean you're a visual learner. Thus, for him, cued speech

was his salvation because it gave him a visual system that was based

upon use of his hearing which is his primary modality for receiving

information, even though he's profoundly deaf in his only hearing ear.

His residual hearing wasn't enough to understand. Yet, combined with

cueing, he can understand almost anything. It has helped him learn and

develop excellent speech.

Each child is different. This is OUR experience.

Sharon and Darby Ireland wrote:

>

> Ruth, my experience with cued speech is that it is a good reinforcer for

speech. When Darby drops sounds from her words I can cue them to her. I also use

it to introduce

> new words to her. Darby had pretty good speech before we started to cue, her

loss is progressive, so I don't have experience using it to teach speech, but I

know that

> all the " professionals " are always amazed that, not only has she not lost any

of her speech, she's actually improved. Sharon

>

> Ruth Craddock wrote:

>

> > Hi Listmates..

> >

> > I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help children with speech? My

> > son knows some sign lang. But he is being more verbal and is trying to talk

> > Do you think cued speech would be better for this situation? I dont want to

> > confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> > Thank you for your time

> > Ruth

> >

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

restrictions.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't mean to sound ignorant, but can someone please

tell what the difference is between cued speech and

ASL, as well as the other sign languages that I have

heard about. Also, my son has moderate hearing loss

and wears hearing aids but sometimes when he comes

home from pre-school, he wants to take them out and

then I have to scream my words for him to undertand

anything that I am saying. Any recommendations on the

best way to communicate with him in this situation?

Thanks,

Blair

--- Darla Rance wrote:

> Ruth,

> Cued Speech is great for gaining fluency in a spoken

> language, ease of

> communication in the parents' native language, and

> for literacy. I've

> heard and seen that it does help speech so far as it

> makes visual what

> sound one is shooting for.

> However, it is not some magical cure as far as

> producing clear speech.

> So many factors contribute to that, but Cued Speech

> doesn't really

> " clarify " speech other than to help the child see

> the sound he/she needs

> to be making. It is a good tool for speech

> therapists to use during

> speech therapy.

>

> Darla

>

> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:27:56 -0500 " Ruth Craddock "

>

> writes:

> > Hi Listmates..

> >

> > I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help

> children with

> > speech? My

> > son knows some sign lang. But he is being more

> verbal and is trying

> > to talk

> > Do you think cued speech would be better for this

> situation? I dont

> > want to

> > confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> > Thank you for your time

> > Ruth

> >

> >

> > All messages posted to this list are private and

> confidential. Each

> > post is the intellectual property of the author

> and therefore

> > subject to copyright restrictions.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear :

Thanks for the information you sent me regarding the

cued speech and ASL. It was very informative. I want

to learn both as a way to help mys on learn and

comprehend better. Any ideas on the best way to go

about this?

Blair

--- Semesky wrote:

> Cueing is an EXCELLENT tool for speech development.

> It is basically

> visual phonics. You use different hand shapes and

> movements to make the

> sounds of speech with your hands and mouth

> movements. The child uses

> the cues to improve his lipreading and help use

> residual hearing.

> Sometimes, it used to take us 100 repetitions of a

> word with intense

> frustration on 's part before he could say it

> correctly. Now, about

> 95 percent of the time, we require no more than two

> repetitions before

> he can pronounce it exactly. Even including the

> correct syllable

> emphasis. Once a child knows how to make the

> individual sounds, the

> cues show him how to string them together for new

> words. For example,

> if the child can say ch, ah, puh, you can have them

> say the word chop.

> You cue the ch sound, then the ah sound, then the

> puh sound. This is

> done very rapidly so you see the word ch-ah-p. Same

> with encyclopedia.

> You cue the en, s, aye, k l uh pe de uh. You don't

> cue the spelling.

> You cue the pronunciation. You use different hand

> shapes and touches

> around the mouth to tell the child which of the

> sounds your making with

> your voice/mouth. You string them together, and the

> child knows exactly

> what sounds to reproduce. It's VERY different from

> sign language where

> each sign is a word/concept and has nothing to do

> whats-so-ever with the

> pronunciation of the word/concept. You don't cue

> words/concepts. You

> cue the sounds of the words/concepts. You cue the

> sounds of the

> words/concepts in any language. You're only

> visually representing the

> sounds we hear. Because the concept is so

> different, it's very easy to

> differentiate the two visual systems once the child

> understands this

> fact. Just as in a bilingual family, there are

> different times when one

> is more appropriate than the other. Many people

> have adapted sign

> language to allow them to use it as a phonetic

> system. However, there

> is no standard system in place for every child who

> signs which takes

> sign and translates it into the sounds of speech.

> Thus, each person

> implementing such a system does it differently.

> This is what we used to

> first teach phonics. We adapted the signs

> along with written cues.

> It was so much easier to do when we all learned

> cueing. Cued speech has

> a system in place which is designed for this very

> purpose.

>

> Our son had no ability to lipread when he was 8.

> Since he began using

> cued speech at age 8, he's become proficient at

> understanding cued

> speech AND lipreading. It's worked a small miracle

> for him. We offered

> him sign language from birth since I had already

> been involved in the

> deaf community and signing (non-ASL) since 1972. He

> refused it at age 4

> when he started to speak. He said, " Use mouth

> Mommy, no hands! " He

> would close his eyes when we signed. Subsequently,

> we found out through

> massive testing that he is an auditory learner who

> can't hear. He

> struggles with visual processing so sign was very

> hard for him to

> learn. It taught us one very important lesson.

> Just because you're

> deaf, doesn't mean you're a visual learner. Thus,

> for him, cued speech

> was his salvation because it gave him a visual

> system that was based

> upon use of his hearing which is his primary

> modality for receiving

> information, even though he's profoundly deaf in his

> only hearing ear.

> His residual hearing wasn't enough to understand.

> Yet, combined with

> cueing, he can understand almost anything. It has

> helped him learn and

> develop excellent speech.

>

> Each child is different. This is OUR experience.

>

>

> Sharon and Darby Ireland wrote:

> >

> > Ruth, my experience with cued speech is that it is

> a good reinforcer for speech. When Darby drops

> sounds from her words I can cue them to her. I also

> use it to introduce

> > new words to her. Darby had pretty good speech

> before we started to cue, her loss is progressive,

> so I don't have experience using it to teach speech,

> but I know that

> > all the " professionals " are always amazed that,

> not only has she not lost any of her speech, she's

> actually improved. Sharon

> >

> > Ruth Craddock wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Listmates..

> > >

> > > I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it

> help children with speech? My

> > > son knows some sign lang. But he is being more

> verbal and is trying to talk

> > > Do you think cued speech would be better for

> this situation? I dont want to

> > > confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> > > Thank you for your time

> > > Ruth

> > >

> > > All messages posted to this list are private and

> confidential. Each post is the intellectual

> property of the author and therefore subject to

> copyright restrictions.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

ASL is American Sign Language and cued speech is for helping pronounce words

more clearly. As for your son taking his hearing aids off after school, he

probably needs some " DOWN " time of not being bombarded with the

amplification of every sound. Try allowing him some time to relax, but then

decide when you want him to wear them again, such as at dinner time and when

getting ready for bed. My daughter used to want to take them off or not

want to put them on in the morning, but now she is used to them. We use a

little ASL when her hearing aids are off and for when my other kids are

sleeping, although my daughter is oral.

Good Luck, Randie

I don't mean to sound ignorant, but can someone please

tell what the difference is between cued speech and

ASL, as well as the other sign languages that I have

heard about. Also, my son has moderate hearing loss

and wears hearing aids but sometimes when he comes

home from pre-school, he wants to take them out and

then I have to scream my words for him to undertand

anything that I am saying. Any recommendations on the

best way to communicate with him in this situation?

Thanks,

Blair

--- Darla Rance wrote:

> Ruth,

> Cued Speech is great for gaining fluency in a spoken

> language, ease of

> communication in the parents' native language, and

> for literacy. I've

> heard and seen that it does help speech so far as it

> makes visual what

> sound one is shooting for.

> However, it is not some magical cure as far as

> producing clear speech.

> So many factors contribute to that, but Cued Speech

> doesn't really

> " clarify " speech other than to help the child see

> the sound he/she needs

> to be making. It is a good tool for speech

> therapists to use during

> speech therapy.

>

> Darla

>

> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:27:56 -0500 " Ruth Craddock "

>

> writes:

> > Hi Listmates..

> >

> > I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help

> children with

> > speech? My

> > son knows some sign lang. But he is being more

> verbal and is trying

> > to talk

> > Do you think cued speech would be better for this

> situation? I dont

> > want to

> > confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> > Thank you for your time

> > Ruth

> >

> >

> > All messages posted to this list are private and

> confidential. Each

> > post is the intellectual property of the author

> and therefore

> > subject to copyright restrictions.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The main difference is that ASL is a language on its own, and Cued Speech

isn't. Cued Speech is a closed set of consonant handshapes and face

vowel placements that can be adapted to about any language that is

spoken. It's phonemic.

Darla

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:56:18 -0800 (PST) blair harty

writes:

> I don't mean to sound ignorant, but can someone please

> tell what the difference is between cued speech and

> ASL, as well as the other sign languages that I have

> heard about. Also, my son has moderate hearing loss

> and wears hearing aids but sometimes when he comes

> home from pre-school, he wants to take them out and

> then I have to scream my words for him to undertand

> anything that I am saying. Any recommendations on the

> best way to communicate with him in this situation?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Blair

>

>

>

> --- Darla Rance wrote:

> > Ruth,

> > Cued Speech is great for gaining fluency in a spoken

> > language, ease of

> > communication in the parents' native language, and

> > for literacy. I've

> > heard and seen that it does help speech so far as it

> > makes visual what

> > sound one is shooting for.

> > However, it is not some magical cure as far as

> > producing clear speech.

> > So many factors contribute to that, but Cued Speech

> > doesn't really

> > " clarify " speech other than to help the child see

> > the sound he/she needs

> > to be making. It is a good tool for speech

> > therapists to use during

> > speech therapy.

> >

> > Darla

> >

> > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:27:56 -0500 " Ruth Craddock "

> >

> > writes:

> > > Hi Listmates..

> > >

> > > I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help

> > children with

> > > speech? My

> > > son knows some sign lang. But he is being more

> > verbal and is trying

> > > to talk

> > > Do you think cued speech would be better for this

> > situation? I dont

> > > want to

> > > confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> > > Thank you for your time

> > > Ruth

> > >

> > >

> > > All messages posted to this list are private and

> > confidential. Each

> > > post is the intellectual property of the author

> > and therefore

> > > subject to copyright restrictions.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I just want to clarify that Cued speech is not just to help pronounce

words correctly. It is actually a visible modality of communication

too. My son does not sign. He uses cued speech to understand what

people are saying. He uses the cued speech to cue him as to what sounds

he actually heard. He actually had an interpreter in school who cued

what the teacher said....interpreters for cued speech are called

transliterators.

The best place to learn cued speech is at a family camp where the entire

family, including the child with hearing loss go. It shows you cued

speech in action and illustrates how successful these kids can be. It's

best if your child is old enough to request that they receive specific

instruction in Cued Speech. When was 7, he went to his first

camp. He did not learn much because he was only " around " cued speech.

The next camp, when he was eight, they offered him specific instruction

in the cued speech system and he immediately understood the concept and

began using it receptively. He then received direct instruction on a

weekly basis at school since visual systems are not his forte. Within a

year, he was relatively fluent and able to understand anyone who cued

while they spoke. He is now able to use a transliterator effectively

though it's still alot harder because with a transliterator, the

auditory signal is already gone before the information is cued, so the

child must rely totally on lipreading since the transliterator can not

orally repeat what the person talking said without talking over them.

My son is highly allergic to ear molds. For the last two-three weeks

he's been unable to wear a hearing aid and right now, his hearing is

virtually non-existent. Yet, I can communicate with him because I cue

everything I say and he uses the LITTLE he can hear combined with the

cueing to lipread what I'm saying. He says he's really scared because

he can't hear anything but that at least he can understand when we cue.

Guess the point I'm trying to make is that cueing is MUCH MORE than just

a means of helping kids speak more clearly. It's a means of allowing

them equal access to communication...in my son's case, it allows him

equal access to the modality of communication that he needs. Oral

speech.

randie chubin wrote:

>

> ASL is American Sign Language and cued speech is for helping pronounce words

> more clearly. As for your son taking his hearing aids off after school, he

> probably needs some " DOWN " time of not being bombarded with the

> amplification of every sound. Try allowing him some time to relax, but then

> decide when you want him to wear them again, such as at dinner time and when

> getting ready for bed. My daughter used to want to take them off or not

> want to put them on in the morning, but now she is used to them. We use a

> little ASL when her hearing aids are off and for when my other kids are

> sleeping, although my daughter is oral.

> Good Luck, Randie

>

>

>

> I don't mean to sound ignorant, but can someone please

> tell what the difference is between cued speech and

> ASL, as well as the other sign languages that I have

> heard about. Also, my son has moderate hearing loss

> and wears hearing aids but sometimes when he comes

> home from pre-school, he wants to take them out and

> then I have to scream my words for him to undertand

> anything that I am saying. Any recommendations on the

> best way to communicate with him in this situation?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Blair

>

> --- Darla Rance wrote:

> > Ruth,

> > Cued Speech is great for gaining fluency in a spoken

> > language, ease of

> > communication in the parents' native language, and

> > for literacy. I've

> > heard and seen that it does help speech so far as it

> > makes visual what

> > sound one is shooting for.

> > However, it is not some magical cure as far as

> > producing clear speech.

> > So many factors contribute to that, but Cued Speech

> > doesn't really

> > " clarify " speech other than to help the child see

> > the sound he/she needs

> > to be making. It is a good tool for speech

> > therapists to use during

> > speech therapy.

> >

> > Darla

> >

> > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:27:56 -0500 " Ruth Craddock "

> >

> > writes:

> > > Hi Listmates..

> > >

> > > I am asking opinions on cued speech. Does it help

> > children with

> > > speech? My

> > > son knows some sign lang. But he is being more

> > verbal and is trying

> > > to talk

> > > Do you think cued speech would be better for this

> > situation? I dont

> > > want to

> > > confuse him. He also may have apraxia.

> > > Thank you for your time

> > > Ruth

> > >

> > >

> > > All messages posted to this list are private and

> > confidential. Each

> > > post is the intellectual property of the author

> > and therefore

> > > subject to copyright restrictions.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Actually, my son didn't have to " learn " Cued Speech at all, because we

started cueing to him when he was about 3 years old. If you start with a

really young child, the system of Cued Speech doesn't have to be

taught--just used in communication. It took a couple of months, or less,

for my son to internalize everything and put it all together to

understand everything I was communicating. However, the difference it

made in the need to repeat words over and over was immediate. I no

longer had to do that. The visual cue made the difference. Older kids

do need to learn the system through instruction.

On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:05:35 -0500 Semesky

writes:

> It's

> best if your child is old enough to request that they receive

> specific

> instruction in Cued Speech. When was 7, he went to his first

> camp. He did not learn much because he was only " around " cued

> speech.

> The next camp, when he was eight, they offered him specific

> instruction

> in the cued speech system and he immediately understood the concept

> and

> began using it receptively.

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[Guest guest]

Yep, the earlier you start using it, the better. Like any language, the

earlier a child learns, the more " natural " that language is. Although

technically it is NOT a language by itself, the learning process is

basically the same. The later you learn it, the more specific

instruction you need. Kids who grow up with it automatically assimilate

it into their language system. Regrettably, we didn't even know about

Cued Speech until was 6, and it took us two years to realize that

it wasn't some off-the-wall concept. Then, we went to our first cued

speech class and knew it was for . Our biggest worry was whether he

could learn it and understand that it was different from sign. He took

to it like a fish out of water and we've never looked back. As 's

loss has progressed, his reliance on the cueing has increased.

Darla Rance wrote:

>

> Actually, my son didn't have to " learn " Cued Speech at all, because we

> started cueing to him when he was about 3 years old. If you start with a

> really young child, the system of Cued Speech doesn't have to be

> taught--just used in communication. It took a couple of months, or less,

> for my son to internalize everything and put it all together to

> understand everything I was communicating. However, the difference it

> made in the need to repeat words over and over was immediate. I no

> longer had to do that. The visual cue made the difference. Older kids

> do need to learn the system through instruction.