Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 In a message dated 10/05/2007 13:33:48 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: The dropping temps are a sign of adrenal stress. While I think your T3 dose is nearing the good spot it is stressing your adrenals a bit so may be a stress dose of HC for a couple days will help. Have you recently increased T3? Yes I increased to 100 mcg yesterday (12.5 raise) Val BUT I had a basal of 96.5 yesterday BEFORE the increase and the daily averages have been stable at 97.7 for the last three days. This would indicate OK adrenals wouldn't it? I am confused. thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 In a message dated 10/05/2007 14:21:28 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Yes it indicates adrenals WERE stable but th T3 is definitely stressing thewm today and that is what oyu have to go on. It os weird that T3 is stressing you like this but we are all unique. Yes it just occurred to me this second that the stable temps. are PAST tense, lol Is it so unusual for T3 increases to stress adrenals? Is this not the same Val as the stress (that I always experienced anyway) of Armour raises? Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 The dropping temps are a sign of adrenal stress. While I think your T3 dose is nearing the good spot it is stressing your adrenals a bit so may be a stress dose of HC for a couple days will help. Have you recently increased T3? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Yes it indicates adrenals WERE stable but th T3 is definitely stressing thewm today and that is what oyu have to go on. It os weird that T3 is stressing you like this but we are all unique. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I really don;t have alot of info to draw on for an answer. I just know the increases with T3 for me did not cause adrenal stress, in fact my HC needs dropped drastically when the T4 left my system. I really feel the T4 and HIGH RT3 was a huge adrenal stress for me. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Same here. I rarely use HC with the T3 although I do crash at times in the afternoon. But I am on a tiny dose of T3 and it is giving me more energy than I have and since upping my Armour to 3 grains. The Armour actually worked very well when I started on it but then perhaps my surgery started the rT3 cycle. -- Re: temps going mad...... I really don;t have alot of info to draw on for an answer. I just know the increases with T3 for me did not cause adrenal stress, in fact my HC needs dropped drastically when the T4 left my system. I really feel the T4 and HIGH RT3 was a huge adrenal stress for me. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 What about time of day dosing? I notice that I can double my morning dose of T3 (to 40 mcg from 20) and be fine but in the afternoon or early evening I get palps if I only take 20 mcg but am awake all night if I take more. I don't often know if the palps are from low T or low HC and have to take 5 mg HC to see if I improve and if not, more T3. -- Re: temps going mad...... In a message dated 10/05/2007 14:21:28 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Yes it indicates adrenals WERE stable but th T3 is definitely stressing thewm today and that is what oyu have to go on. It os weird that T3 is stressing you like this but we are all unique. Yes it just occurred to me this second that the stable temps. are PAST tense, lol Is it so unusual for T3 increases to stress adrenals? Is this not the same Val as the stress (that I always experienced anyway) of Armour raises? Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Isn't it interesting that I had what you are describing, but many people do not have this problem with Armour? -- Re: temps going mad...... I really don;t have alot of info to draw on for an answer. I just know the increases with T3 for me did not cause adrenal stress, in fact my HC needs dropped drastically when the T4 left my system. I really feel the T4 and HIGH RT3 was a huge adrenal stress for me. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 In a message dated 11/05/2007 03:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: What about time of day dosing? I notice that I can double my morning dose of T3 (to 40 mcg from 20) and be fine but in the afternoon or early evening I get palps if I only take 20 mcg but am awake all night if I take more. I don't often know if the palps are from low T or low HC and have to take 5 mg HC to see if I improve and if not, more T3. I found myself thinking exactly that thought last night. I mean about taking a higher dose earlier in the day because it could well set my heart off biog-time BUT it would be out of my system by bedtime. I am taking 20, 20, 20, 20 since day before yesterday. I read on Dr Lowe's site that he recommends (where there is cell resistance) to take ALL of the daily amounts of T3 in the morning because he feels this gives a surge that opens the receptors. He said yes there could be palps but that they were nothing to worry about, not dangerous in any way. Maybe I will take another 20 right now and see what happens, then 3rd dose 2pm of 40 also. I am getting desperate. Also I wonder if you know if the 100 mcgs I am now on is likely to be enough to turn off the feedback loop. It is about two weeks since I had my last piece of Armour and I am expecting to be feeling better right now, not worse. Thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 In a message dated 11/05/2007 03:10:23 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: Isn't it interesting that I had what you are describing, but many people do not have this problem with Armour? May I ask what you are referring to here? thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 In a message dated 11/05/2007 11:25:07 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: You are still losing the T4 from your system, and going MORE hypo from that. I do nto think 100MCG is going to be eneough, and your temps confirm that. Thanks Val, any idea WHY my temps. did not come up with this raise as with others? Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 In a message dated 11/05/2007 11:37:14 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Probably at a point wher losing the T4 lowered you more than the 12.5 T3 raised you. Oh OK, thanks for the explanation. I was hoping to be mobile today and clean up my flat. I am really short on h.c (another delayed order, what luck I am having Val) amd am terrified of running out completely so my question is: I have enough to double my dose and they will then last for five days but stress-dosing seems not to be making a dent into the reactions to the raise so what happens if I just stay on my usual dose? I DID take 40 mcg this morning instead of two and will repeat at 2 pm in the hope that this will enable me to be able to sleep later on. Mo Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 >>Also I wonder if you know if the 100 mcgs I am now on is likely to be enough to turn off the feedback loop. It is about two weeks since I had my last piece of Armour and I am expecting to be feeling better right now, not worse.<< You are still losing the T4 from your system, and going MORE hypo from that. I do nto think 100MCG is going to be eneough, and your temps confirm that. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Probably at a point wher losing the T4 lowered you more than the 12.5 T3 raised you. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Someone who was posting about their high reverse T3. I was saying that many people don't have that problem with Armour but I do. -- Re: temps going mad...... In a message dated 11/05/2007 03:10:23 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: Isn't it interesting that I had what you are describing, but many people do not have this problem with Armour? May I ask what you are referring to here? thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Are you saying you take 20 mcg of T3 every 4 or 5 hours? I dose twice a day 20 tp 40 mcg in the morning, depending on how i feel, and 20 in the evening. I was using a 20 mcg of SR extended release T2 for the second 20 in the morning but my doc won't let me have both. I would not take this T3 every 4 or 5 hours, thats just me. -- Re: temps going mad...... In a message dated 11/05/2007 03:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: What about time of day dosing? I notice that I can double my morning dose of T3 (to 40 mcg from 20) and be fine but in the afternoon or early evening I get palps if I only take 20 mcg but am awake all night if I take more. I don't often know if the palps are from low T or low HC and have to take 5 mg HC to see if I improve and if not, more T3. I found myself thinking exactly that thought last night. I mean about taking a higher dose earlier in the day because it could well set my heart off biog-time BUT it would be out of my system by bedtime. I am taking 20, 20, 20, 20 since day before yesterday. I read on Dr Lowe's site that he recommends (where there is cell resistance) to take ALL of the daily amounts of T3 in the morning because he feels this gives a surge that opens the receptors. He said yes there could be palps but that they were nothing to worry about, not dangerous in any way. Maybe I will take another 20 right now and see what happens, then 3rd dose 2pm of 40 also. I am getting desperate. Also I wonder if you know if the 100 mcgs I am now on is likely to be enough to turn off the feedback loop. It is about two weeks since I had my last piece of Armour and I am expecting to be feeling better right now, not worse. Thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 The first time I used extended release T3 I had to take 90 mcgs a day due to feeling hypo. Now I am fine on 40 to 50 or so mcg a day. I think you are taking too much! Just my opinion. I would be having palps too and do. I accidentally took an extra 20 for my pm dose and had palps. Can you try 30-40 mcg in the morning and 20 12 hours later? You could use a 10 mcg boost at lunch if you feel you need it. -- Re: temps going mad...... In a message dated 11/05/2007 03:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: What about time of day dosing? I notice that I can double my morning dose of T3 (to 40 mcg from 20) and be fine but in the afternoon or early evening I get palps if I only take 20 mcg but am awake all night if I take more. I don't often know if the palps are from low T or low HC and have to take 5 mg HC to see if I improve and if not, more T3. I found myself thinking exactly that thought last night. I mean about taking a higher dose earlier in the day because it could well set my heart off biog-time BUT it would be out of my system by bedtime. I am taking 20, 20, 20, 20 since day before yesterday. I read on Dr Lowe's site that he recommends (where there is cell resistance) to take ALL of the daily amounts of T3 in the morning because he feels this gives a surge that opens the receptors. He said yes there could be palps but that they were nothing to worry about, not dangerous in any way. Maybe I will take another 20 right now and see what happens, then 3rd dose 2pm of 40 also. I am getting desperate. Also I wonder if you know if the 100 mcgs I am now on is likely to be enough to turn off the feedback loop. It is about two weeks since I had my last piece of Armour and I am expecting to be feeling better right now, not worse. Thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I am at 167.5mcg daily! And it is not too much, my temps and puilse bnear this out. I have been at this dose for alpomst 2 weeks. and it seems just abotu perfect. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 But your thyroid gland does not work at all, correct? Would the dose be lower for people with intact thyroid glands? -- Re: temps going mad...... I am at 167.5mcg daily! And it is not too much, my temps and puilse bnear this out. I have been at this dose for alpomst 2 weeks. and it seems just abotu perfect. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 In a message dated 12/05/2007 00:13:50 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: Someone who was posting about their high reverse T3. I was saying that many people don't have that problem with Armour but I do. Oh thank you, my brain letting me down again no doubt! Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Hi again The first time I used extended release T3 I had to take 90 mcgs a day due to feeling hypo. Now I am fine on 40 to 50 or so mcg a day. That seems really low to me but then this is all v. new to me. I think you are taking too much! Just my opinion. I would be having palps too and do. I only get palps when making raises. Do you still think I am taking too much? I accidentally took an extra 20 for my pm dose and had palps. Can you try 30-40 mcg in the morning and 20 12 hours later? You could use a 10 mcg boost at lunch if you feel you need it. I have never really come out of hypo, that's the thing. The only times I have felt anything near to normal is when I make raises and then only for maybe one day or so. So it is not really a question of maybe needing a boost at lunchtime for me, it is a question of needing something radical to get body moving. I have been virtually housebound for over a week now, (some of those days bedbound mostly) maybe more because my brain goes south also and I lose track........ Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Hi again, again, Are you saying you take 20 mcg of T3 every 4 or 5 hours? No, what I did was take 50 mcg first dose and then 4/5 hours later another 50 mcg PLUS I added in an extra 12.5 so two doses totalling 112.5. I dose twice a day 20 tp 40 mcg in the morning, depending on how i feel, and 20 in the evening. I was using a 20 mcg of SR extended release T2 for the second 20 in the morning but my doc won't let me have both. I would not take this T3 every 4 or 5 hours, thats just me. You are frightening me now, do you want to say why? Thanks. Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 >>But your thyroid gland does not work at all, correct? Would the dose be lower for people with intact thyroid glands? << WHY? Most of us have Hashi's and need full replacement, I beieve the difference may be the amount of resistance I have, as I still had antibodies a year ago I assume I still have SOME thyroid activity. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Hi again I have never taken 100 mcg per day. That would cause palps for me all day. People are of different sizes and metabolic types. I think your dose is too high and I would not take it 4 times a day. Buy WHY do you think it is too high ? What is the reasoning behind your statement? This is what I am trying to understand. From what my doc said and reading about T3, it last 12 hours so if you are worried about not being covered all day with T3, it is not like HC. I would dose your higher dose a breakfast and a lower dose 8-12 hours later. Just my opinion. The problem is that I have palps from raising the T3. So if I do as you suggest I will have sleep disruption from the palps. The reason I decided to go to twice a day is because of the 12 hours the T3 stays in the body. By dosing twice a day, it means I am clear of the palps by bedtime. That is my main focus for now. And if I can keep myself free of bed-time palps I am a happy bunny as I get VERY debilitated by lack of sleep. I understand that I need to be covered 24 hours by the T3 but for NOW, I will settle for being able to make the necessary raises without twoo much trauma and THEN when I get where my temps and symptoms are improving, then I will revert to spreading the T3 out over the course of the 24 hours. That is the plan for now anyway. If you are not taking any T4, your reverse T3 will be reduced every day you are not taking the T4 or Armour. So you should be improving daily. The T3 is not making the rT3 diminish, the reduced T4 is. You can have both rT3 and T3 in your body at the same time, both being produced by T4. Yes I understand this. Have you not improved at all? If your dose is too high it may be stressing your adrenals. But more HC with a high dose T3 may not be the answer. Reducing both may be. Yes I have improved and my temps have risen but they did not hold. Which says 'more' to me. And I have been decreasing Armour at the same time so almost inevitable that I would keep swinging from feeling better to feeling worse I think, don't you? And I do not use temps anymore. I know we are supposed to but I could never correlate feeling better with any temp increase or decrease. I occasionally do my morning temp just to see. But I have not correlated higher temp with feeling better. But that is just me. Yes I have doubts about it but it is a case of suck it and see right now and the temps. DO seem to be reflecting my condition lately. And I have never correlated higher dose Armour with feeling better. I felt best at 2 grains a day but I blew it by increasing it to 3 then 4 and felt worse each time and I was on HC. I felt at my best on 2 grains of Armour also but I was still a v. long way from feeling well. So you just need to experiment and see what works for you. Yes that is what I am doing. When I see Val's high doses I cringe but if they work for her, that does not mean they will work for me. The T3 meds I take say the highest does for someone with an intact thyroid is 90 mcg per day. Where does it say this? On the patient information leaflet? I have not heard of this before. When I was on that level last year I did not feel better. Now on 30 to 4-0 per day I am much improved. I am not saying I KNOW, I am just telling my experience. Hope you feel better soon! Hope so.......... watch this space! Mo www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 In a message dated 12/05/2007 14:28:13 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: How much do you weigh Mo? I hear what Val is saying about your 100 mcg not being enough but geez, my 30 has been plenty, with no HC. 15 stone which in American is 15 x 14 whatever that is! LOL www.NOVACounselling.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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