Re: Needing perspectives

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, Jen. This all sounds very mysterious! But at first glance, it

appears you are very underdosed. It's normal to start low at the

beginning, but you don't want to stay low for much longer than 3

weeks or your hypo will return with a vengeance. So though it

appeared correct to you to decrease to 30 mg because of the anger,

it may have been the worst thing to do. That anger may have been the

result of being underdosed, and the female hormones being a bit

worse because of it.

Now the nausea---that is odd. How many nights has this occurred?

There are several stomach viruses going around right now......

And feeling dehydrated...that could be because Armour works as a

diuretic, so it may be your body's way of telling you to drink more!

Your past adrenal problem could have been due to being on T4 meds. I

had the same problem while on them--weird adrenal reactions. But

that all ended on Armour.

SO...the above are thoughts for you to work with. I was on .125

Levoxyl and am now on an optimal dose of 3 grains Armour.

Janie aka ThyroDiva

> Okay, I've been doing the Armour regimen for about one month now.

I went

> from 150 mcg of levothyroxine to Armour 30 mg (split to take 1/2am

and

> 1/2pm), then 45 mg (split three ways) after about three weeks. I

then

> switched to 30 mg in am and 15 mg in pm last week. That led to

feelings of

> right below the surface " anger. " I was also premenstrual at the

time, so

> don't know if it was one or the other or the two working

together. I

> reduced back to 15 mg in am and 15 mg in pm.

>

> I am feeling nauseous in the evenings.

[Guest guest]

Needing perspectives

Okay, I've been doing the Armour regimen for about one month

now. I went

from 150 mcg of levothyroxine to Armour 30 mg (split to take

1/2am and

1/2pm), then 45 mg (split three ways) after about three weeks.

I then

switched to 30 mg in am and 15 mg in pm last week. That led to

feelings of

right below the surface " anger. " I was also premenstrual at the

time, so

don't know if it was one or the other or the two working

together. I

reduced back to 15 mg in am and 15 mg in pm.

I am feeling nauseous in the evenings. I have added the adrenal

supplement

now (having trouble remembering to take it) Having trouble

remembering a

lot of things. I liked how much energy I had at the 45 mg, but

someone was

going to lose an eye if I didn't quit being angry. Along with

the nausea in

the evenings I'm feeling dehydrated? Thirsty. Is this

something that

Armour causes. I feel like it is exacerbating the nausea. I

know I have

read that some that were experiencing edema prior to taking

Armour were

relieved of the edema once they got on the Armour. I haven't

really

suffered from edema in the past few years.

I was diagnosed with an adrenal problem (whacked fight or flight

system was

what I was told) the fall of 2002 and placed on Zoloft. I no

longer take

that drug (gained 35 pounds taking that). Do you think that the

adrenal

problem is what I'm experiencing that might be causing the

nausea in the

evenings. Adrenal dump? I'm taking the Fatigued to Fantastic

adrenal

cortex complex. Does anyone else take that, and how do you feel

about it?

Do you think Corti - can't remember the name of the product now,

how many

times have I read about it on this group, anyway do you think

that one is

better? I tried doing the matrix Adrenal vs Hypo in the links

section, but

I'm all over the chart. Anyway, I'm feeling down because I'm so

tired of

thinking about these things. Suggestions are welcomed.

Jen

Grain Valley, MO

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

I'm so sorry to hear how poorly you're feeling. I was taking the

Fatigued to Fantastic Adrenal Cortex complex but it kept making me

nauseous even when I took it with food. For the short time I took it, I

do think it helped. Why did they prescribe zoloft for an adrenal

problem? That doesn't seem right. I think the anger comes from not

feeling good for so long. Believe me, sometimes I have a lot of anger

bottled up inside me. Doctors misdiagnose, give the wrong medicine, or

worse, ignore you, then everyone tells you " you're fine, it's just in

your head - maybe you should take antidepressants " . It can really make

you angry.

Liz

Needing perspectives

Okay, I've been doing the Armour regimen for about one month

now. I went

from 150 mcg of levothyroxine to Armour 30 mg (split to take

1/2am and

1/2pm), then 45 mg (split three ways) after about three weeks.

I then

switched to 30 mg in am and 15 mg in pm last week. That led to

feelings of

right below the surface " anger. " I was also premenstrual at the

time, so

don't know if it was one or the other or the two working

together. I

reduced back to 15 mg in am and 15 mg in pm.

I am feeling nauseous in the evenings. I have added the adrenal

supplement

now (having trouble remembering to take it) Having trouble

remembering a

lot of things. I liked how much energy I had at the 45 mg, but

someone was

going to lose an eye if I didn't quit being angry. Along with

the nausea in

the evenings I'm feeling dehydrated? Thirsty. Is this

something that

Armour causes. I feel like it is exacerbating the nausea. I

know I have

read that some that were experiencing edema prior to taking

Armour were

relieved of the edema once they got on the Armour. I haven't

really

suffered from edema in the past few years.

I was diagnosed with an adrenal problem (whacked fight or flight

system was

what I was told) the fall of 2002 and placed on Zoloft. I no

longer take

that drug (gained 35 pounds taking that). Do you think that the

adrenal

problem is what I'm experiencing that might be causing the

nausea in the

evenings. Adrenal dump? I'm taking the Fatigued to Fantastic

adrenal

cortex complex. Does anyone else take that, and how do you feel

about it?

Do you think Corti - can't remember the name of the product now,

how many

times have I read about it on this group, anyway do you think

that one is

better? I tried doing the matrix Adrenal vs Hypo in the links

section, but

I'm all over the chart. Anyway, I'm feeling down because I'm so

tired of

thinking about these things. Suggestions are welcomed.

Jen

Grain Valley, MO

[Guest guest]

Well, it says that Zoloft is prescribed for depression, obsessive/compulsive

and panic disorders (etc). My fight or flight problem seemed to be

throwing me into anxiety attacks, so that is why the doc prescribed. It did

help. I hadn't felt that good in 10 years, BUT I was craving carbs so bad I

felt like an addict and ended up gaining the 35 pounds. This was after I

had just lost 55 pounds, began exercising regularly, and was feeling the

worst I had felt in my whole life. It is so frustrating. Of course, when I

found this sight I began reading that being only on T4 can cause the panic

disorders. I'm hoping the Armour gets rid of those life altering feelings.

It is bad enough that I miss things in life due to my weight, but when panic

sets in, to me, my life pretty much ends. I won't travel, I won't socialize

etc.

The feelings of anger were like extreme lack of patience. Everything I

involved myself with screwed up and made me want to throw things and squeeze

somebody's neck really hard. Nobody could do anything right, etc. It

really felt like extreme PMS. So I guess what Janie said made sense when I

read it. Underdosed=increased female hormone malfunction.

If I could remember my name and to take the supps and meds I need, life

might go better. I haven't been consistent enough with the Fatigued to

Fantastic to tell if it is helping, BUT I'm going to try harder. I've been

thinking maybe I need a watch with an alarm on it to remind me to take pills

when I want to take pills. Anybody else have good reminder system set up,

something that travels with them throughout the day. Since I work from home

my life is somewhat flexible so I get everybody's errands who work outside

the home, therefore, I'm all over the place from day to day.

Thank you Liz,

Jen

-- RE: Needing perspectives

Hi Jen,

I'm so sorry to hear how poorly you're feeling. I was taking the

Fatigued to Fantastic Adrenal Cortex complex but it kept making me

nauseous even when I took it with food. For the short time I took it, I

do think it helped. Why did they prescribe zoloft for an adrenal

problem? That doesn't seem right. I think the anger comes from not

feeling good for so long. Believe me, sometimes I have a lot of anger

bottled up inside me. Doctors misdiagnose, give the wrong medicine, or

worse, ignore you, then everyone tells you " you're fine, it's just in

your head - maybe you should take antidepressants " . It can really make

you angry.

Liz

[Guest guest]

why are you on such a low dose of Armour after what you were taking on other

meds?

Needing perspectives

Okay, I've been doing the Armour regimen for about one month now. I went

from 150 mcg of levothyroxine to Armour 30 mg (split to take 1/2am and

1/2pm), then 45 mg (split three ways) after about three weeks. I then

switched to 30 mg in am and 15 mg in pm last week. That led to feelings of

right below the surface " anger. " I was also premenstrual at the time, so

don't know if it was one or the other or the two working together. I

reduced back to 15 mg in am and 15 mg in pm.

I am feeling nauseous in the evenings. I have added the adrenal supplement

now (having trouble remembering to take it) Having trouble remembering a

lot of things. I liked how much energy I had at the 45 mg, but someone was

going to lose an eye if I didn't quit being angry. Along with the nausea in

the evenings I'm feeling dehydrated? Thirsty. Is this something that

Armour causes. I feel like it is exacerbating the nausea. I know I have

read that some that were experiencing edema prior to taking Armour were

relieved of the edema once they got on the Armour. I haven't really

suffered from edema in the past few years.

I was diagnosed with an adrenal problem (whacked fight or flight system was

what I was told) the fall of 2002 and placed on Zoloft. I no longer take

that drug (gained 35 pounds taking that). Do you think that the adrenal

problem is what I'm experiencing that might be causing the nausea in the

evenings. Adrenal dump? I'm taking the Fatigued to Fantastic adrenal

cortex complex. Does anyone else take that, and how do you feel about it?

Do you think Corti - can't remember the name of the product now, how many

times have I read about it on this group, anyway do you think that one is

better? I tried doing the matrix Adrenal vs Hypo in the links section, but

I'm all over the chart. Anyway, I'm feeling down because I'm so tired of

thinking about these things. Suggestions are welcomed.

Jen

Grain Valley, MO

[Guest guest]

Because I am self-medicating and was unsure as to how to start out. I didn

t want to start too high, so I chose the slow and easy going route.

Jen

-- Re: Needing perspectives

why are you on such a low dose of Armour after what you were taking on other

meds?

[Guest guest]

that was way too much of a drop in meds. You should have cut the original med in

half and added the equal in Amour, slowly after 4 weeks changing to less of the

original and adding more Armor. Playing with dose changes too fast is very hard

on the adrenals in my opinion.

Re: Needing perspectives

why are you on such a low dose of Armour after what you were taking on other

meds?

[Guest guest]

So at this time, I should take 75 mcg of levothyroxine and 45 mg of Armour

spread throughout the day, then after about 3 to 4 weeks cut the 75 mcg to

32 mcg and up the Armour to 60 mg. Does this sound like a good plan?

Jen

You know, I just realized (boy that's happening a lot to me today) that when

I said I felt dehydrated or thirsty that it isn't quite that feeling, it is

a weird tongue feeling. Then I just remembered people talking about a fat

tongue feeling. Mine doesn't feel fat, but it does feel sensitive, coated

or something like that. I still think there is a dehydration issue, but

wanted to mention that weird tongue feeling since I remembered reading about

on the group earlier.

-- Re: Needing perspectives

that was way too much of a drop in meds. You should have cut the original

med in half and added the equal in Amour, slowly after 4 weeks changing to

less of the original and adding more Armor. Playing with dose changes too

fast is very hard on the adrenals in my opinion.

Re: Needing perspectives

why are you on such a low dose of Armour after what you were taking on

other

meds?

[Guest guest]

Jen, a lot of folks, including myself, went from T4-only one day to

Armour the next with no problems. We just started on a safe dose of

Armour, and rose from there. And you are already on Armour with the

T3, so it may not be a problem for you, too, to make the switch like

that. But you listen to your gut.

Janie

> So at this time, I should take 75 mcg of levothyroxine and 45 mg of

Armour

> spread throughout the day, then after about 3 to 4 weeks cut the 75

mcg to

> 32 mcg and up the Armour to 60 mg. Does this sound like a good

plan?

>

> Jen