Re: Re: Help.... I'm a mess!

[Guest guest]

Janet... don't forget part of the problem with late day adrenals dumps is

that due to the fatigue the adrenals are not able to release in the

morning in answer to the normal morning call... they work like crazy to

produce enough to answer that call and that late day dump is when the

finally have enough to release.... by adding the proper adrenal support

in the morning hours to stifle that morning call.. the adrenals don't

have to fight to produce to comply and you stop getting that late day

dump...

Might want to ponder on that... I've been adding morning support for just

over a year... and no more of that late day surge/second wind stuff late

and night... I now am alert and functional from the second I get out of

bed, due to proper sleep... and function normally all day long... with

the normal late day wind down and being able to relax and fall asleep on

time.... no more laying in bad for hours to sleep... no more waking in a

panic at 2 am.....

Topper ()

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:44:52 -0000 " whitecap89 "

writes:

> Thanks Gossimer for responding.

>

> In your opinion, how high can I safely go per day? My dose of iron

> gives 150mg

> elemental. 3 ferrous sulfate tabs give 195mg. I take 500mg of VitC

> with each 75mg

> dose I take (twice a day.) Plus I take another 560 of VitC with

> other supps. Could

> probably take more. I also take 2000+ of B12 subling and an extra B

> complex in addition to the MVit.

> No, I don't take anything for adrenals, despite having symptoms of

> fatigue, because

> after I've been up for about 8-10 hours, I get a cortisol " dump "

> which exhibits itself

> by pounding heart (no real increase in rate), an increase in

> anxiety, and my lips burn

> like crazy. I'm really scared to take anything and when I first

> tried F to F, I actually

> felt worse. But who really knows if this was actually the F to F or

> just going hypo

> again, as I started the F to F about 2 weeks after starting Armour

> at 1 1/2 grain. Had

> previously been on Syn 75 and Cytomel 35. Quit the Cytomel right

> away, and the Syn 1 week later.

>

> I'm eating a lot of protein and am concentrating on the foods with

> high iron. Have

> quit drinking coffee and sodas completely. I have stopped all

> refined sugars, so the

> only sugars I get are in my food and then I shy away from carbs in

> general. Also each

> small meals (most balanced) about 5 times a day. Am very careful

> never to " feel " hunger.

>

> Will get out my walking shoes! Anything to help! What's the

> rationale for this? Do you remember?

>

> Thanks for your help and suggestions, Gossimer!

> Janet

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I found what you said about the cortisol dumping at night... very

interesting. When I had an adrenal profile done on a graph form, DHEA was

very low in the morning, rose a little in the after noon, down in the

eveneing .. and then at midnite .. it suddenly rose straight up in the air

and shot off the page!!

No wonder I start to come to life and start cooking, eating, speeding up and

can't sleep.

The cortisol started off low (normal under 5 mmol/L) at 2.5....,, within

normal range at 12 md and 4pm ... but slightly elevated at midnight.

I take

3 gr. Armour,

25 mg. of DHEA,

30 mg of Pregnenolone,

7.5 mg prednisolone,

and the following animal glandulars by Nutri ltd.

Pit-lyph,

Hypothal-lyph.

I have tried to take the Adreno-lyph80 in the past but it made me kind of

anxious and weird... so have cut one in 4 pieces and am trying a more gentle

approach.

My question is this, do you think I am doing enough for adrenal support, is

there anything else I could be doing... I don't feel too bad, I take

everything before about 2pm... a bit tired in the evenings..

Its hard to tell totally how I am because I a living with untreated Chronic

Lyme as well and am waiting to see specialist on the 5th of May.

Any comments you or anybody else may care to make about the adrenal support

will be welcomed... I have send off my adrenal profile (saliva) this week so

should get an update on whats happening .. the 'inside story' soon.

I hope to also get the thyroid panel done as well next week... sounds like

the ferritin is also a good idea to get checked too..

Jane

[Guest guest]

Doesn't it just whack you upside the head when it starts making sense?

When you understand why you are acting so much different then you used

to, or the other folks around you?

Once you are able to see, and understand, what your body is telling

you... then you can figure out what needs to be done to fix it.... our

bodies know what is wrong.. and what they need.. we just aren't able to

understand... Heck, look at the docs... health care is their business and

they do it everyday, train for years to do it... and they can't

understand the body anymore.... But once we learn, once we understand..

then we can fix it... for many, many of us... we have to what to do for

OUR body what it needs to allow it to function as it should... supplement

what is missing. Fill in for periods of time that the body needs an

assist.. and give it the tools that it needs to do it's job....

It's all soo simple... once that little switch in your brain flips and it

makes sense to you... That's why it's so important that we share here...

you'll never know what you might say that will flip the switch of

understanding in someone's head... and let them SEE what they need to

work on.....

Lets wait and see what your test results show... how they've changed

since your last one... that will give a clue as to how your current

dosing is working for you....

Topper ()

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:12:09 +0100 " Jane White "

writes:

> Dear ,

> I found what you said about the cortisol dumping at night... very

> interesting. When I had an adrenal profile done on a graph form,

> DHEA was

> very low in the morning, rose a little in the after noon, down in

> the

> eveneing .. and then at midnite .. it suddenly rose straight up in

> the air and shot off the page!!

> No wonder I start to come to life and start cooking, eating,

> speeding up and can't sleep.

> The cortisol started off low (normal under 5 mmol/L) at 2.5....,,

> within

> normal range at 12 md and 4pm ... but slightly elevated at

> midnight.

> I take

> 3 gr. Armour,

> 25 mg. of DHEA,

> 30 mg of Pregnenolone,

> 7.5 mg prednisolone,

> and the following animal glandulars by Nutri ltd.

> Pit-lyph,

> Hypothal-lyph.

> I have tried to take the Adreno-lyph80 in the past but it made me

> kind of

> anxious and weird... so have cut one in 4 pieces and am trying a

> more gentle approach.

> My question is this, do you think I am doing enough for adrenal

> support, is

> there anything else I could be doing... I don't feel too bad, I

> take

> everything before about 2pm... a bit tired in the evenings..

> Its hard to tell totally how I am because I a living with untreated

> Chronic

> Lyme as well and am waiting to see specialist on the 5th of May.

> Any comments you or anybody else may care to make about the adrenal

> support

> will be welcomed... I have send off my adrenal profile (saliva) this

> week so

> should get an update on whats happening .. the 'inside story' soon.

> I hope to also get the thyroid panel done as well next week...

> sounds like

> the ferritin is also a good idea to get checked too..

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

Brava, !!!!!!!!!

hugs

Feistywendy

Re: Help.... I'm a mess!

> Topper, I'm going to reply to your post, but could reply to most of

> the topics in the other posts...I started on Armour about 8 weeks

> ago after totally bottoming out because my doc changed me from

> thyrolar to t-4 only a year ago and of course I didn't have a clue

> until I was so sick that I could hardly get up in the morning. I

> thought the same thing that everyone does; ageing My skin was so bad

> that one of the children at work(I work for the Boys & Girls Clubs)

> told another child in a whisper that I had Aids. I had had a bloody

> spot on my eye for 5 months and my primary doc said sometimes it

> takes " pink eye " a long time to heal up and that my skin was a

> result of adult onset acne. Well the childs whisper is what got me

> to the derma-guy. He wa a real jerk but had sense enough to send me

> to the eye guy that day and HE was the one that got me going... He

> told me I had thyroid eye disease. That got me moving. I started

> researching everything I could find on the net and found this group.

> Praise God and pass the ammunition!!! I ordered Armour from Rx for

> Less and I am now up to 3 grains. I felt better immediately! I

> continue to improve but feel that I am at a plateau. Oh, I have no

> thyroid. Went hyper with huge goiter, removed malignant thyroid

> and had RAI therapy for 5 years 30 years ago. After I left my Endo

> (I moved)2 years after surgery NO doc in all this time has

> considered my lack of thyroid or tested for such so I was under the

> mistaken impression that I was fine with the medication that I was

> on. So, here's where I am today: I am up to 3 grains-I take 2 at

> waking, 1 at noon and 1 at bedtime.(SL) I'm taking 10 mcg DHEA about

> 10 am with my effexor and vioxx (I'm weaning off of), 1 emergenC

> packet daily. What do I need? I have sorta crashed this week with

> foot/leg and hand pain, and a pain in my lower back about 3 " below

> waist and 3 " to righ of center. My hands feet and legs are sore to

> touch. It feels like the bones are sore and I feel the need to rub

> them(therefore I'm moving my legs a lot) I feel some heaviness in

> the chest at night and can feel my heart but not real palps. I know

> that I am much better than I was 8 weeks ago but I want to continue

> to improve. Any and all suggestions are welcomed...Do I need more

> adrenal help? Topper, we must find more ways to educate! People

> DO think we are crazy slackers. They don't understand. I too have

> cut my work load (with much guilt as I have been cursed with an

> incredibly perfectionistic work ethic) I still try to find excuses

> not to participate in social functions that people can understand as

> they sure don't get " thyroid illnesses " . Anyway, I ramble.

> My mind is open- send suggestions...

>