Re: Armour with supplements.......

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I am so glad that you asked this question. I have been taking several

supplements with my Armour, along with my psych meds. for the last three

days I have been very ill! Throwing up several times a day. I do take my

Armour sublingually and wait about an hour and a half then take a handful of

other meds and supplements all at the same time, including Lithium, Effexor,

Nuerontin, Calcium, Isocort, Dhea, Zocor, and a vitamin supplement. My doc

says these are all okay,but am I spacing them out correctly? I also am on

pain medication, which I have been trying not to take until my system has

calmed down. I suffer from chronic pain and these pain meds range from low

end pain meds to methadone (yes, this is used for effective pain management)

I have been so upset about this latest turn. I felt so good the first

week of taking Armour. This second week has been awful. I know this is not

due to the Armour but how and when I am taking these meds.

I second Janet's " HELP!! "

Have a blessed Resurrection Day~!

-- Armour with supplements.......

Hi All,

I've forgotten...... what supps should NOT be taken with Armour? And what

are the

ones that should be taken only after a certain amount of time has passed

since taking

one's Armour.

I still swallow my Armour and am going to start taking it 4-5 times a day,

if possible.

I also am taking several supps but still want to maximize my Armour doses.

Help!!

Thanks a million,

Janet

[Guest guest]

,

not sure about the other meds but calcium should be taken well away from armour

as it affects the absorbtion.

Lynda

Re: Armour with supplements.......

Janet,

I am so glad that you asked this question. I have been taking several

supplements with my Armour, along with my psych meds. for the last three

days I have been very ill! Throwing up several times a day. I do take my

Armour sublingually and wait about an hour and a half then take a handful of

other meds and supplements all at the same time, including Lithium, Effexor,

Nuerontin, Calcium, Isocort, Dhea, Zocor, and a vitamin supplement. My doc

says these are all okay,but am I spacing them out correctly? I also am on

pain medication, which I have been trying not to take until my system has

calmed down. I suffer from chronic pain and these pain meds range from low

end pain meds to methadone (yes, this is used for effective pain management)

I have been so upset about this latest turn. I felt so good the first

week of taking Armour. This second week has been awful. I know this is not

due to the Armour but how and when I am taking these meds.

I second Janet's " HELP!! "

Have a blessed Resurrection Day~!

[Guest guest]

> I've forgotten...... what supps should NOT be taken with Armour?

Hi Janet!! If you are swallowing, don't take iron, calcium or

estrogen at the same time.

Down the line, if you decide to do it sublingually, you will also

get the benefit of the calicitonin, which you may not be getting

from swallowing, unfortunately.

Janie

[Guest guest]

> I don't take my Armour sublingually, but my bone scans indicate

that the Calcitonin is getting there anyway.

My mother was on T4-only meds her entire life, but her bones were

fine anyway, too. But there may be individuals who don't have those

good genes like my mom or yourself, and may need the calicitonin to

help. And, there is evidence that stomach acids do a number on the

calcitonin.

>

> BTW, " Sublingual " is a mis-nomer. If it is in your mouth and

>dissolving, then it is going to your stomach.

Dianne, there are millions of little capallaries that line the

mouth, and the thyroid goes directly to the blood stream via these.

It's called direct systemic administration (vs. digestive

administration.) It's absorption by diffusion. It doesn't mean that

a little may make it's way down to the stomach via swallowing, but

the majority doesn't. Here's more about it:

http://tinyurl.com/358ru

Hope that helps.

Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi, Janie,

Nope! I have a 10-year-old bone scan showing that the bones were losing

density. The one taken in March '04 shows that the bone has increased in

density. By the time my bone scan was done, I had also been on T4 only

medication for three years and no Thyroid medication for more than 30

years. I was post-menopausal from 1982. The bone problem was halted and

reversed using Armour. The Calcitonin in the Armour is the only real

change that has been made since the first scan was performed. My doctor

didn't believe it either until he saw both sets of scans. He is the doctor

who changed me over to Armour, but won't increase the dose.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. So perhaps the problem of acids destroying the

calcitonin in the stomach is not as big an issue for some, and some

of it gets through. Or, the T3 helps. That's another change for you,

not just the calcitonin. I simply don't know! I would like to see

more studies on this so we can be more definitive!

But the issue with sublingual is still a good one. I hope you caught

the reference I made, plus the sublingual article that Bev printed,

which I think is the same. Right now, the bottom line is that

swallowing is great and works, and folks probably did it exclusively

for years, and it obviously works. And....sublingual might even be

better for more direct absorption.

I am very excited for you concerning your bones, whatever did it!!

Just another great plug for Armour!!

Since your doc won't increase your dose, how do you feel on the

current one? Are most of your symptoms gone? Are any still lingering?

Janie

>Nope! I have a 10-year-old bone scan showing that the bones were

losing

> density. The one taken in March '04 shows that the bone has

increased in

> density. By the time my bone scan was done, I had also been on T4

only

> medication for three years and no Thyroid medication for more than

30

> years. I was post-menopausal from 1982. The bone problem was

halted and

> reversed using Armour. The Calcitonin in the Armour is the only

real

> change that has been made since the first scan was performed. My

doctor

> didn't believe it either until he saw both sets of scans. He is

the doctor

> who changed me over to Armour, but won't increase the dose.

>

> Dianne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This is all IMHO...

My suggestions are to space your meds out accross the day so you're

not overloading your tummy with tablets.

Try taking your vitamins with or after food, make sure you take

calcium & iron at least 2 hours apart from your thyroid meds.

Maybe start the day with your Armour on an empty tummy.

Then after 1 hour have breakfast & take your lithium.

Then with lunch/dinner - take your other supplements.

This way you won't be hurling so much at your poor tummy lining.

And who knows, maybe when you're on an optimum dose of Armour you

might be able to reduce your psych meds, I've read of other people

being able to come off lithium once the thyroid is stabilised.

Remember not to always listen to what your doc says, you know how you

feel better than anyone & you need to try to listen to your body &

help it yourself too.

Take care sweetie,

Fee x

> From: Castle

> Subject: Re: Armour with

supplements.......

I have been taking several supplements with my Armour, along with my

psych meds. for the last three days I have been very ill! Throwing up

several times a day.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Janie,

Sorry for the late response! Both computers turned alien at the

same time and had to borrow one that died upon being hooked up to my cable

modem. Technician got here and everything is going okay now. Seems there

were problems with my network cards... I don't do hardware! Software is

my thing... Oh well! I am back up and running now!

For the present, I am experimenting with the way I take my Armour,

Cytomel, Isocort, and supplements. Although there was some initial

improvement in my symptoms, I seem to be back where I started. Don't know

what's up with that, but my own conclusion at this point is that I need

more Armour and/or more T3. Dr. B suspects T3 Resistance and a conversion

problem turning T4 into T3. In the meantime, however, I am taking 5 mg

Cytomel twice a day, plus Armour 2 Grains.

I will not be able to follow up with him for awhile, as there is a

problem with my insurance... Seems they cancelled hubby and I because the

employer's computers got messed up and simply never put us back on the

right list, but continued to deduct the $ from his checks. I won't create

more bills until I have written confirmation from the employer and the

insurance company that we are back in the loop.... We had no idea what had

happened until I visited the emergency room a week ago for a problem with

my upper back -- could not lift either arm without tremendous pain. Seems

I have a disc problem in the upper spine and more testing is needed. That

cannot be done until the insurance mess is straightened out, but the MRI is

scheduled for next Tuesday. May is my traditional month to travel on the

road with hubby and we will be leaving here on 5/1, so cannot make an

appointment with Dr. B until I get back here.

What surprises me is that I seem to be more reactive to weather

changes since starting the Cytomel. That may be due to the fact that T3 is

so short-acting. Don't know what to think there....

I have been taking a new multi-vit each night, but I combine it

with 1,000 mg of C. I take my Armour 2 Grains with 1,000 of Vit C, too. I

am more resistant to the typical colds that are going around, but my

allergies are going crazy -- probably due to more windiness and related

allergens. No great surprise there, but I really don't want to take my

Allegra while I am working out the situation with the Thyroid meds.

Overall, however, things seem to be just a bit better. There is

definitely less " brain fog " going on with me and that is a very good

thing! Fuzzy logic works with computers. I does not work for me! LOL!

Dianne

At 08:27 AM 4/13/04, you wrote:

>Since your doc won't increase your dose, how do you feel on the

>current one? Are most of your symptoms gone? Are any still lingering?

>

>Janie