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I take Surmontil (also known as Rhotrimine) because it is one of the only two

antidepressants that raise REM (dream) sleep instead of lowering it. This is

because I have sleep apnea that happens in the REM sleep phases making me

severely REM sleep deprived. It is impossible to stay sane without dream sleep.

Before Surmontil, it took me a 4th of a bottle of l tryptophan a night and 16

hours to get enough sleep to avoid sleep deprivation caused migraines. I often

had them 24/7. The Surmontil cut my sleep needs down to 11 to 12 hours and I

can often get by with less. Since having two operations (throat and nose), and

getting a CPAP Machine I was able to cut way back on the Surmontil but never

have been able to eliminate it completely, and yes I do take magnesium and was

on feverfew. It does not help the migraines any.

To avoid temper tantrums and residual depression, I take 20 mg of Prozac too.

The hashis is probably responsible for at least some of the obstructive sleep

apnea. It causes the big, thick, fleshy throats that collapse and cut off the

air ways. But I have central sleep apnea too, (My brain forgets to breath and

that wakes me up out of many a nice dream). I'm blonde too! I wish it was just

a joke!

Unfortunately once one's throat is that big and thick, just going on Armour

or some other thyroid med doesn't make the throat shrink or the sleep apnea go

away, and sleep deprivation will big on depression BIG TIME. So, I would be in

trouble even if I hadn't obviously inherited bad genes from my parents.

I have learned to follow EVERYBODY'S advice to help myself. I stay prayed up.

I get enough rest and avoid stress. I take nutritional supplements, Armour

Thyroid and listen to relaxation tapes. I have people pray for me because there

is some evidence prayer actually works. I also take prescription meds to help

myself. It is like a three legged stool. I have learned if I fail to follow any

of all this good advice, my moods tip over like a stool with only two legs.

One of the theories for autism is that it is caused by a deficiency of a

hormone called oxytocin. (Don't confuse this with the pain killer oxicontin).

Oxytocin is produced by lactating Females. (My mother could not breast feed). It

also causes the bond between Mother and Child, and Husband and Wife. I never

bonded with my Mother and never felt the urge to pair up with a mate. The brain

also needs it to be able to recognize other people. I am very face blind

(prosopagnosia). Experiments with supplementing this hormone has helped

Autistic people socially interact better with people better and helps Face Blind

people do a better job of recognizing people, reading facial expressions and

telling them apart, but alas, the effect lasts only a few minutes, and it has a

terrible side effect, it makes people trust one another too much.

Obviously before Humans found they could hire " wet nurses " and/or bottle feed,

if you couldn't breast feed your offspring, he or she died. The huge numbers of

autistic people (not all of them children), that our society seems to be

producing lately may partially be caused by that. Autistic children just starved

to death in earlier generations because their Mothers (quite often with Autistic

tendencies themselves), could not feed them. Another factor is of course, if

you are deficient in one hormone you are probably deficient in more than one of

them. Lack of thyroid causes low body temperatures and the inability to run a

fever. If you can't run a fever you can't cook away bad germs. Before

antibiotics most people with weak glands just died of infections or the above

starvation from being unable to nurse. Now they live, and have kids, and often

those kids have hormone issues of their own including sometimes, low oxytocin.

If you can't love and your Mother could not bond with you, that is reason enough

to develop developmental depression. The pleasure centers of the brain do not

get stimulated, so they do not grow. One becomes emotionally stunted and there

is a limit of how much an adult brain can rewire itself to correct the problem,

but there is hope, some antidepressants, (Prozac included), have been found to

speed up brain cell formation, at least in the hippocampus where memory and

moods are regulated. I have noticed on Prozac I think better and can remember

better. If I go off of it this advantage goes away really quickly. Both my

Mother and my own life were saved several times by antibiotics. It is all well

and good to talk about doing things only the, " Natural way, " but Mother Nature

would have weeded me and my Mother out of the gene pool without considerable

help from Medical science. It is too late for my kind to go back to living only

naturally. I am childless by choice, by the way. I made the decision when I was

three years old (yes, THREE) not to pass it on.

In the future science may invent medications that even do a better job of

regrowing brain cells. Not only depression, but schizophrenia, autism, mental

retardation and various learning disabilities may be permanently reversible

after a temporary course of drugs. The future looks very promising, but only to

those that have the wisdom to make use of what is learned. If someone says

something will help, listen to them. If that same someone says something won't

help, be very cautious about believing that. It seems if a person has a hammer,

every problem looks like a nail. But a problem may not need a hammer, it may

need a screw driver or a pair of pliers. In fact it helps to have many different

kind of tools to build a house, or a Human.

Hensley

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>>They have better ones now, or maybe she wasn't on a high enough dose.<<

NO she had untreated, undiagnosed HAshi's. She did nto have mental problems

and neither did I but I was on every drug under the dsun for years and they

nmmade me feel goos while tkaing them but they dod nto correct the problem. I

have been ckeabn and sober for 12 years now on the best drug there is, THYROID

hormone.This after 3 jail trips and 20 years of addictions. 5 attempted

siuicides. I did nto need drugs ai needed thyroid, so did my mother. If my

htyroid had been treated poroperly WAY back when I am betting I owuld not be

Diabetic right now either. The harm is not the drugs so much as them being used

in PLACE of the proper thyroid treatment people need.

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C'mon people, get off Liz's case. I am another person whose life was

saved by antidepressants. I took them for several years, until I was

able to function normally again without them.

The argument that nobody suffers from a lack of antidepressants is

akin to saying that nobody suffers from a lack of Cortef. That's

true; nobody has ever died because their body did not produce enough

brand-name Cortef. Do you say not to treat the adrenals with Cortef

because it's not really curing the cause of the adrenal fatigue? No,

of course not. The reason you take it is to give your adrenals a rest

and to let them mend themselves while you are artificially supporting

them. Well, for most people on antidepressants, it is exactly the

same thing--they are on them for anywhere from six months to 2 years

(most do not have to be on them for life), during which time they are

allowing their brain's chemistry to return to normal. Rather than

stressing and wearing out the synapses and receivers (depending on

which mechanisms you are having trouble with) fighting the stress and

depression and being in a vicious cycle, the antidepressants rest

those areas so that they can begin functioning normally again.

And that's okay. Someone who is very depressed probaby should not be

judged or told that they are weak or misinformed or not in touch with

their real emotions or that their doctor is a quack--if someone needs

Cortef you don't tell them they are weak or it's all in their heads.

If I hadn't taken antidepressants when I did, I would not be here now.

Period. And now I have been off of them for seven years--through

losing my house due to mold and declaring bankruptcy and being laid

off--because my brain was able to right itself during the time I was

on the antidepressants, so once I got off them I was able to handle

all the above stressors without slipping into The Abyss. It was

absolutely the right thing to do, and I would be horrified if someone

else who really really needs them does not get them because they fear

judgement on boards such as this one.

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Not to chime in on a debate here but I have been on several different

antidepressants at times in the past. This T3 that I am on now, has

uplifted my mood within days and I feel no depression, which is very nice.

So for me, it is working better than the antidepressants did.

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But Liz, don't you think the withdrawals have something to do with the

temper? Having been a former drug addict.. an yes you do compare, I KNOW

what withdrawals do to a person.. and the people around them. I have

been to the depths of depressors with a wicked temper than almost got me

killed and believe me antidepressants were never the answer. T3 was the

answer. That and getting my sex hormones leveled out as I used to have

Endometriosis and THAT little buggar can give you some personality

swings. I have never seen a person suffering from too low

antidepressants, just low brain chemicals they need to live. Had anyone

tested your cortiosl or DHEA then? HIGH DHEA can cause the kind of

things oyu are talking about as well.

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I would never be able to sleep on 15 mgs of melatonin. That is a high dose.

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I am on two different antidepressants, 3000 mg a day of fish oil, SAMe

(which is what TM makes), b vitamins, Armour thyroid, molybdenum, chromium,

tonilin, 15 mg a night of melatonin, htp tryptophan, and several other

supplements. All of them together help my depression about 80 percent. Of

all of this, the Surmontil and the Prozac help the most, but I notice very

quickly if I go off of ANY of them. I also get 11 hours sleep a night or

more to cope with my migraines and energy problems.

For some of us nutrition is just not enough. It helps, oh yes it does, but

it is not enough. I tried nutrition alone without meds for many years

because it was all I knew. Alas, I had been " educated " out of taking

medications. I had vicious temper tantrums, and crying jags that lasted

hours. At that time I was off of ALL sugar and not trying to work or

function at all, just trying to avoid melt downs. I was exhausted even more

than I am now. The antidepressants keep away the temper tantrums and the

crying jags. I have tried several times to go off of them and every time I

get vicious, almost psychotic temper tantrums. I do lose weight but it isn't

worth it because I lose all my friends too. I am still trying to repair the

social damage done by the last time I tried to quit just the Prozac. There

could be others out there reading these posts and having similar

difficulties. PLEASE don't discourage them! :-0

Hensley

Re: Re: Anybody try Adaptocrine?

In a message dated 09/05/2007 19:16:33 GMT Daylight Time,

lhensley@... writes:

Please, you guys, they saved my sanity and my life! Oh how I wish I hadn't

been discouraged from trying them! I wasted years being depressed and unable

to function and it wasn't necessary and my parents went through unnecessary

hell because I wasn't on them. Don't knock them so much. You might

discourage

someone who needs to be on them to function as a normal person from taking

them.

I believe it is a question of getting all the available information before

making any decisions.

Yes, I benefitted from SSRI's and I consider myself one of the lucky few.

Check out TMG which has been shown in clinical trials to do better than

anti-ds without the worryng sides and withdrawal problems.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

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I know its a high dose, but I have sleep apnea very, very bad.

Re: Re: Anybody try Adaptocrine?

In a message dated 09/05/2007 19:16:33 GMT Daylight Time,

lhensley@... writes:

Please, you guys, they saved my sanity and my life! Oh how I wish I hadn't

been discouraged from trying them! I wasted years being depressed and unable

to function and it wasn't necessary and my parents went through unnecessary

hell because I wasn't on them. Don't knock them so much. You might

discourage

someone who needs to be on them to function as a normal person from taking

them.

I believe it is a question of getting all the available information before

making any decisions.

Yes, I benefitted from SSRI's and I consider myself one of the lucky few.

Check out TMG which has been shown in clinical trials to do better than

anti-ds without the worryng sides and withdrawal problems.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

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Thank you!!!!!! :)

Hensley

Re: Anybody try Adaptocrine?

C'mon people, get off Liz's case. I am another person whose life was

saved by antidepressants. I took them for several years, until I was

able to function normally again without them.

The argument that nobody suffers from a lack of antidepressants is

akin to saying that nobody suffers from a lack of Cortef. That's

true; nobody has ever died because their body did not produce enough

brand-name Cortef. Do you say not to treat the adrenals with Cortef

because it's not really curing the cause of the adrenal fatigue? No,

of course not. The reason you take it is to give your adrenals a rest

and to let them mend themselves while you are artificially supporting

them. Well, for most people on antidepressants, it is exactly the

same thing--they are on them for anywhere from six months to 2 years

(most do not have to be on them for life), during which time they are

allowing their brain's chemistry to return to normal. Rather than

stressing and wearing out the synapses and receivers (depending on

which mechanisms you are having trouble with) fighting the stress and

depression and being in a vicious cycle, the antidepressants rest

those areas so that they can begin functioning normally again.

And that's okay. Someone who is very depressed probaby should not be

judged or told that they are weak or misinformed or not in touch with

their real emotions or that their doctor is a quack--if someone needs

Cortef you don't tell them they are weak or it's all in their heads.

If I hadn't taken antidepressants when I did, I would not be here now.

Period. And now I have been off of them for seven years--through

losing my house due to mold and declaring bankruptcy and being laid

off--because my brain was able to right itself during the time I was

on the antidepressants, so once I got off them I was able to handle

all the above stressors without slipping into The Abyss. It was

absolutely the right thing to do, and I would be horrified if someone

else who really really needs them does not get them because they fear

judgement on boards such as this one.

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>>The argument that nobody suffers from a lack of antidepressants is

akin to saying that nobody suffers from a lack of Cortef.<<

Well I do nto agree with this because we ALL suffer from lack of cortisol which

is what Cortef is. But I agree this discussion is not productive so I shall drop

it.

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I was on T3 for a while. It stressed my adrenals very badly.

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But Liz, don't you think the withdrawals have something to do with the

temper? Having been a former drug addict.. an yes you do compare, I KNOW

what withdrawals do to a person.. and the people around them. I have

been to the depths of depressors with a wicked temper than almost got me

killed and believe me antidepressants were never the answer. T3 was the

answer. That and getting my sex hormones leveled out as I used to have

Endometriosis and THAT little buggar can give you some personality

swings. I have never seen a person suffering from too low

antidepressants, just low brain chemicals they need to live. Had anyone

tested your cortiosl or DHEA then? HIGH DHEA can cause the kind of

things oyu are talking about as well.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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