Re: Started HC and Insominia

March 27, 2007

In a message dated 27/03/2007 23:03:23 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

No sweets after 5pm??? I would totally crash without them. Or, I guess I

could compensate with other carbs. Thus, the reason why I need to tackle this

candida issue.......N

You could what I am doing Sammie i.e. protein regularly with just green

salads.

I doubt you would crash as long as you are eating every 2-3 hours.

I was in a terrible state with eating crap and craving more crap and then

Val suggested the Atkins Induction diet.

I could hardly believe it, the difference was so swift. Cravings went in one

day. Raging hunder ditto.

C'mon, join me in Atkinsland! lol

Mo

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March 27, 2007

Are you on thyroid meds?

SAMMIE

peachynga@... wrote:

I'm so confused.....I started HC and followed schedule for raises and

wonder if I need to back it down? I was at 5, 5, 2.5 and am continually having a

fast heartbeat and absolutely can't sleep. Last night I was up until 3 am and

finally resorted to taking a sleep aid, which only kept me asleep until 5:30.

I'm so exhausted!

Today I backed down my afternoon dose to 2.5 and will hold at that for week and

see what happens. It's so weird that I'm having symptoms of high cortisol

(haven't checked BP). When I had serum testing done my levels were high. Saliva

testing showed very depleted levels (stage 7). That's quite a discrepancy and

considering how I feel now, I wonder which is more accurate? Is it possible that

my adrenals are so weak that even raising dosage appropriately is causing

stress?

March 27, 2007

When you start taking HC often you will need a bedtime dose as it will

lower your ACTh too much and you will not be able to sleep from both

hypoglycemia and low cortisol. Try takeing a bit at bedtime and eating a

high protein snack then as well. No sweets after 5PM.

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March 27, 2007

No sweets after 5pm??? I would totally crash without them. Or, I guess I could

compensate with other carbs. Thus, the reason why I need to tackle this candida

issue........

SAMMIE

wrote:

When you start taking HC often you will need a bedtime dose as it will

lower your ACTh too much and you will not be able to sleep from both

hypoglycemia and low cortisol. Try takeing a bit at bedtime and eating a

high protein snack then as well. No sweets after 5PM.

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March 27, 2007

>>No sweets after 5pm??? I would totally crash without them. Or, I guess I

could compensate with other carbs. Thus, the reason why I need to tackle this

candida issue.......<<

But I thought you were trying to crash to SLEEP better? What happens is you get

a short rush of energy then the sugar is gone and you go VERY hypglycemic.. You

have found the reason for your insomnia. Eat protein instead of sweets and you

weill feel ALOT better and sleep better too.

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March 27, 2007

No, I haven't started thyroid due to adrenals being so weak.

> I'm so confused.....I started HC and followed schedule for

raises and wonder if I need to back it down? I was at 5, 5, 2.5 and am

continually having a fast heartbeat and absolutely can't sleep. Last

night I was up until 3 am and finally resorted to taking a sleep aid,

which only kept me asleep until 5:30. I'm so exhausted!

March 27, 2007

I tried 1 mg. at bedtime a few nights ago and it didn't help the

insomnia. I usually have a snack before bed: raw cheese or dairy with

a little whey protein, nuts. I rarely eat sweets due to candida, plus

I just try to eat healthy.

I don't want to stress my hormones by changing back and forth, and

since I lowered this afternoon dose (to 2.5) do you think I should

stick with that for a week?

Thanks,

(and sorry for the double post--I promise I only hit send once)

>

> When you start taking HC often you will need a bedtime dose as it will

> lower your ACTh too much and you will not be able to sleep from both

> hypoglycemia and low cortisol. Try takeing a bit at bedtime and

eating a

> high protein snack then as well. No sweets after 5PM.

>

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March 27, 2007

How on earth did you get a 1MG dose? LOL Let's see three crumbs.. LOL

sorry.. anyway it may be that wasn't enough. I have always needed 5MG at

bedtime but others seem to do OK on 2.5mg.

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March 27, 2007

It wasn't easy! I split a 5 mg. into 4's. Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll try 2.5 tonight and see if it helps. I know it will be a lot

easier to split!

>

> How on earth did you get a 1MG dose? LOL Let's see three crumbs.. LOL

> sorry.. anyway it may be that wasn't enough. I have always needed

5MG at

> bedtime but others seem to do OK on 2.5mg.

>

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March 27, 2007

Yeah, my experience with Atkins wasn't like that. Terrible terrible fatigue,

headaches, constipation, feeling horrid, then 30 days later woke up with Grave's

Eye disease, but wasn't diagnoses until month later. I still believe something

in that diet triggered it. Imagine, waking up with a disfigured face after

committing to a diet so strictly. I feel like I was punished.

SAMMIE

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 27/03/2007 23:03:23 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

No sweets after 5pm??? I would totally crash without them. Or, I guess I

could compensate with other carbs. Thus, the reason why I need to tackle this

candida issue.......N

You could what I am doing Sammie i.e. protein regularly with just green

salads.

I doubt you would crash as long as you are eating every 2-3 hours.

I was in a terrible state with eating crap and craving more crap and then

Val suggested the Atkins Induction diet.

I could hardly believe it, the difference was so swift. Cravings went in one

day. Raging hunder ditto.

C'mon, join me in Atkinsland! lol

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

March 27, 2007

I feel like I'm feeding the candida, otherwise I have severe die-off withdrawl

effects. It sucks because I know I have to stop, but the withdrawl is a horrid

nightmare, and of course the cravings are out of control.

I can totally relate to junkies. Without the sugar, I get headached and

fatigued and HypoT feeling, thus making the idea to change this lifestyle

difficult to manage. I plan on tackling it, but trying to find ways to compate

the candida withdrawl effects - hoping the Candigest Plus that Mo suggested does

the trick. But thinking that I can never eat sugar or sweets again is a sad

thing as well. I need to find the balance. That's why your excel spreadsheet

was interesting to me. I need to find sweets that will satisfy me that won't

trigger candida issues.

SAMMIE

wrote:

>>No sweets after 5pm??? I would totally crash without them. Or, I

guess I could compensate with other carbs. Thus, the reason why I need to tackle

this candida issue.......<<

But I thought you were trying to crash to SLEEP better? What happens is you get

a short rush of energy then the sugar is gone and you go VERY hypglycemic.. You

have found the reason for your insomnia. Eat protein instead of sweets and you

weill feel ALOT better and sleep better too.

--

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March 27, 2007

I would think that is part of the problem. Most of us had to cut back on the

thyroid meds when starting the HC. But to cut it out totally may be why you

feel so weak.

SAMMIE

wrote:

No, I haven't started thyroid due to adrenals being so weak.

> I'm so confused.....I started HC and followed schedule for

raises and wonder if I need to back it down? I was at 5, 5, 2.5 and am

continually having a fast heartbeat and absolutely can't sleep. Last

night I was up until 3 am and finally resorted to taking a sleep aid,

which only kept me asleep until 5:30. I'm so exhausted!

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March 27, 2007

I am a little confused on how I will be dosing HC so that I don't get insomnia.

Here is what is listed on the STTM site for the last adjustment:

" Day 17-20: 10 mg first thing; four hours 5 mg; four hours 2.5 mg; Bedtime 2.5

mg "

So, does this mean that even if I am doing my first a.m. dose at 6, I would

still do my 4th dose at bedtime? So my schedule might look like this, because I

am up early:

6 a.m. 10 mg

10 a.m. 5 mg

2 p.m. 2.5 mg

9-10 p.m. 2.5 mg

Does that look okay, even though I would be going from 2 until 9 in between

doses?

Thanks,

Olif

March 27, 2007

>>6 a.m. 10 mg

10 a.m. 5 mg

2 p.m. 2.5 mg

9-10 p.m. 2.5 mg

Does that look okay, even though I would be going from 2 until 9 in between

doses<<

Yes usually at that time of day we don;t need much cortisol and most people can

go through the evening hours without a dose.

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March 27, 2007

In a message dated 28/03/2007 00:08:06 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

Morning

Yeah, my experience with Atkins wasn't like that. Terrible terrible fatigue,

headaches, constipation, feeling horrid,

Sounds like your candida was dying off.

I am feeling so awful, anyway, at the moment, that I probably would not

notice.

But your response sounds severe which is why I would suspect candida

die-off. Certainly the fatigue and particularly the headache which speaks of

toxins

don't you think? I had aheadache for 6 weeks on the candida diet.

The constipation I think is warned about in the Atkins book. This is simply

a response to eat hardly any fibre in the first two weeks. I counter that with

lots of magnesium.

then 30 days later woke up with Grave's Eye disease, but wasn't diagnoses

until month later. I still believe something in that diet triggered it.

Imagine, waking up with a disfigured face after committing to a diet so

strictly. I

feel like I was punished.

I don't know anything I am afraid abiut Graves. How did you think the diet

triggered this Sammie?

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

March 27, 2007

In a message dated 28/03/2007 00:08:06 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

Morning

Yeah, my experience with Atkins wasn't like that. Terrible terrible fatigue,

headaches, constipation, feeling horrid,

Sounds like your candida was dying off.

I am feeling so awful, anyway, at the moment, that I probably would not

notice.

But your response sounds severe which is why I would suspect candida

die-off. Certainly the fatigue and particularly the headache which speaks of

toxins

don't you think? I had aheadache for 6 weeks on the candida diet.

The constipation I think is warned about in the Atkins book. This is simply

a response to eat hardly any fibre in the first two weeks. I counter that with

lots of magnesium.

then 30 days later woke up with Grave's Eye disease, but wasn't diagnoses

until month later. I still believe something in that diet triggered it.

Imagine, waking up with a disfigured face after committing to a diet so

strictly. I

feel like I was punished.

I don't know anything I am afraid abiut Graves. How did you think the diet

triggered this Sammie?

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

March 27, 2007

In a message dated 28/03/2007 00:08:06 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

Morning

Yeah, my experience with Atkins wasn't like that. Terrible terrible fatigue,

headaches, constipation, feeling horrid,

Sounds like your candida was dying off.

I am feeling so awful, anyway, at the moment, that I probably would not

notice.

But your response sounds severe which is why I would suspect candida

die-off. Certainly the fatigue and particularly the headache which speaks of

toxins

don't you think? I had aheadache for 6 weeks on the candida diet.

The constipation I think is warned about in the Atkins book. This is simply

a response to eat hardly any fibre in the first two weeks. I counter that with

lots of magnesium.

then 30 days later woke up with Grave's Eye disease, but wasn't diagnoses

until month later. I still believe something in that diet triggered it.

Imagine, waking up with a disfigured face after committing to a diet so

strictly. I

feel like I was punished.

I don't know anything I am afraid abiut Graves. How did you think the diet

triggered this Sammie?

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

March 27, 2007

In a message dated 28/03/2007 00:16:21 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

But thinking that I can never eat sugar or sweets again is a sad thing as

well. I need to find the balance. That's why your excel spreadsheet was

interesting to me. I need to find sweets that will satisfy me that won't

trigger

candida issues.

Sammie

You must get the idea out of your head that you can NEVER eat sugar or

sweets again. This is simply not the case and thinking it will only get in the

way

of you moving forward with this problem I feel.

You need a balanced diet and that allows for occasional sugary things. We

are, of course, all way better off not to go near the stuff but, this being the

real world, we often want to.

One good way of doing this is to use fruit as much as you possibly can,

Nature's sweets as my son called them the other day.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

March 28, 2007

I didn't know people with adrenal fatigue could get up at 6 am--LOL! I

don't start my first dose until 8:30-9:00, because that's when I get

up. Could that be causing a problem with my cortisol rhythm?

>

> >>6 a.m. 10 mg

> 10 a.m. 5 mg

> 2 p.m. 2.5 mg

> 9-10 p.m. 2.5 mg

>

> Does that look okay, even though I would be going from 2 until 9 in

between doses<<

>

> Yes usually at that time of day we don;t need much cortisol and most

people can go through the evening hours without a dose.

March 28, 2007

I didn't know people with adrenal fatigue could get up at 6 am--LOL! I

don't start my first dose until 8:30-9:00, because that's when I get

up. Could that be causing a problem with my cortisol rhythm?

>

> >>6 a.m. 10 mg

> 10 a.m. 5 mg

> 2 p.m. 2.5 mg

> 9-10 p.m. 2.5 mg

>

> Does that look okay, even though I would be going from 2 until 9 in

between doses<<

>

> Yes usually at that time of day we don;t need much cortisol and most

people can go through the evening hours without a dose.

March 28, 2007

" I didn't know people with adrenal fatigue could get up at 6 am--LOL! I

don't start my first dose until 8:30-9:00, because that's when I get

up. Could that be causing a problem with my cortisol rhythm? "

I think actually recommends sleeping in that late, so that your adrenals

can recoup while your cortisol is the highest- same for 11-1 at night.

I just get up so early, because I have a difficult time staying awake past 8-9

p.m. If I sleep 10 hours or more, I feel even worse, because I " overslept. " My

natural sleeping schedule seems to be 9:30-5:30, or so. If I am up much past 10,

I have a very difficult time falling asleep.

-Olif

March 28, 2007