Reading, Writting and signing????

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> That's me too! We use a mixed version of SEE2 and ASL that I have heard

> called CASE (Conceptually Accurate Signed English). My daughters loss is

> profound, so her speech may never be intelligible, and the world will not

> learn to sign for her, so she MUST be able to read and write well.

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> kelli

> Mom to Mysti, 10 y/o, deaf mainstreamed with an interpreter

> Oklahoma

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Forgive my ignorance here......is it common to not teach profound deaf children

to read and write? has a progressive loss and when he gets to the

profound level

is there a chance that in school they will suggest not reading and writting if

we switch to ASL?Again forgive my ignorance here.....I am sure with our diverse

group

there is someone out there who can clear this up for me!

Thanks!!!

~ and 's Mom

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Not at all. What I am saying is that while being verbal is important, it is

far more important to have good English writing skills, and be able to read.

My daughter's vocabulary in English is steadily increasing along with her

signing skills. At the school we go to, she is signed to in Signed English.

When she gets to the middle school level, she will increase her use of ASL.

She is in a program rich with books and vocabulary...English language is all

over the room.

Read Celeste's post of Sat...A bilingual/bicultural program where a child is

taught in ASL and learns English simultaneously by reading and speaking it.

The program I would like is up at Fremont, but too darn expensive to live up

there.

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>To: Listen-Upegroups

>Subject: Reading, Writting and signing????

>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:28:35 -0500

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> > That's me too! We use a mixed version of SEE2 and ASL that I have heard

> > called CASE (Conceptually Accurate Signed English). My daughters loss is

> > profound, so her speech may never be intelligible, and the world will

>not

> > learn to sign for her, so she MUST be able to read and write well.

> >

> > kelli

> > Mom to Mysti, 10 y/o, deaf mainstreamed with an interpreter

> > Oklahoma

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>Forgive my ignorance here......is it common to not teach profound deaf

>children to read and write? has a progressive loss and when he gets

>to the profound level

>is there a chance that in school they will suggest not reading and writting

>if we switch to ASL?Again forgive my ignorance here.....I am sure with our

>diverse group

>there is someone out there who can clear this up for me!

>Thanks!!!

>~ and 's Mom

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> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each

>post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

>copyright restrictions.

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Hi

Thank you for clearing that up for me. It makes more sense now...I can see how I

mis understood your other message.

~ and 's Mom

E. Mapa wrote:

> Not at all. What I am saying is that while being verbal is important, it is

> far more important to have good English writing skills, and be able to read.

>

> My daughter's vocabulary in English is steadily increasing along with her

> signing skills. At the school we go to, she is signed to in Signed English.

> When she gets to the middle school level, she will increase her use of ASL.

> She is in a program rich with books and vocabulary...English language is all

> over the room.

>

> Read Celeste's post of Sat...A bilingual/bicultural program where a child is

> taught in ASL and learns English simultaneously by reading and speaking it.

> The program I would like is up at Fremont, but too darn expensive to live up

> there.

>

>

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> >Reply-To: Listen-Upegroups

> >To: Listen-Upegroups

> >Subject: Reading, Writting and signing????

> >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:28:35 -0500

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> > > That's me too! We use a mixed version of SEE2 and ASL that I have heard

> > > called CASE (Conceptually Accurate Signed English). My daughters loss is

> > > profound, so her speech may never be intelligible, and the world will

> >not

> > > learn to sign for her, so she MUST be able to read and write well.

> > >

> > > kelli

> > > Mom to Mysti, 10 y/o, deaf mainstreamed with an interpreter

> > > Oklahoma

> > >

> >

> >Forgive my ignorance here......is it common to not teach profound deaf

> >children to read and write? has a progressive loss and when he gets

> >to the profound level

> >is there a chance that in school they will suggest not reading and writting

> >if we switch to ASL?Again forgive my ignorance here.....I am sure with our

> >diverse group

> >there is someone out there who can clear this up for me!

> >Thanks!!!

> >~ and 's Mom

> >

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> > > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each

> >post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

> >copyright restrictions.

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[Guest guest]

We are not in a bi-bi program but it's my understanding that programs like

this are at the land and Indiana School for the Deaf. Tripod in Burbank

CA has this type of program too...also in a public school where all the

kids learn ASL. I don't know if you would want an oral teacher...if the kids

are taught in ASL you'd want either a Deaf teacher or one fluent in

ASL...and they are taught to read and write English. Our teachers are

fluent in ASL and teach the kids to read and write English.

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>To: <Listen-Upegroups>

>Subject: Re: Reading, Writting and signing????

>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:27:25 -0800

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>So do I understand correctly that this program is taught in ASL but the

>children learn English by reading and speaking English. Do you mean the

>curriculum and narrative the teacher speaks is presented in ASL, but in

>social situations the children speak/sign English? I am asking in terms of

>a speaking teacher with an interpreter for the deaf child.

> > Read Celeste's post of Sat...A bilingual/bicultural program where a

>child

>is

> > taught in ASL and learns English simultaneously by reading and speaking

>it.

> > The program I would like is up at Fremont, but too darn expensive to

>live

>up

> > there.

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[Guest guest]

So do I understand correctly that this program is taught in ASL but the

children learn English by reading and speaking English. Do you mean the

curriculum and narrative the teacher speaks is presented in ASL, but in

social situations the children speak/sign English? I am asking in terms of

a speaking teacher with an interpreter for the deaf child.

> Read Celeste's post of Sat...A bilingual/bicultural program where a child

is

> taught in ASL and learns English simultaneously by reading and speaking

it.

> The program I would like is up at Fremont, but too darn expensive to live

up

> there.

>

>

>

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In a message dated 12/26/00 7:28:08 AM Central Standard Time,

amv00@... writes:

> Forgive my ignorance here......is it common to not teach profound deaf

> children to read and write? ------

> is there a chance that in school they will suggest not reading and writting

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It's not that the schools do not teach them to read and write, it is just

that children with a profound loss are most generally delayed behind their

peers in english skills, sometimes as much as completing the high school

level and only being able the read and write english as a third grader.

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In a message dated 12/26/00 9:31:23 AM Central Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

> So do I understand correctly that this program is taught in ASL but the

> children learn English by reading and speaking English. Do you mean the

> curriculum and narrative the teacher speaks is presented in ASL, but in

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My understanding of the bi-bi program, at least as it is implemented where I

live, is that the students are taught in a deaf-ed setting (not mainstreamed)

preferably by a deaf teacher in ASL and then later on (middle school level or

so) are taught english as a second language through the use of ASL.

kelli

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I don't have an answer (I don't know that anyone does, although there's a

lot of speculation), but this page/list might help.

http://www.ea.nl/Deaf2L/introduction.htm

At 05:28 PM 12/29/00 -0800, you wrote:

>Does anyone have any idea why this is?

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> > sometimes as much as completing the high school

> > level and only being able the read and write english as a third grader.

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In a message dated 12/29/00 10:26:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, MKLmom@...

writes:

My son was in a BiBi school and the language used at school was ASL but even

in Kindergarten English was used for reading and writing. Now, at 7, in

first grade, my son reads at a late third grade level.

Orla

> My understanding of the bi-bi program, at least as it is implemented where I

> live, is that the students are taught in a deaf-ed setting (not

> mainstreamed)

> preferably by a deaf teacher in ASL and then later on (middle school level

> or

> so) are taught english as a second language through the use of ASL.

>

> kelli

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[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any idea why this is?

> sometimes as much as completing the high school

> level and only being able the read and write english as a third grader.

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