Re: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system?

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, I wonder about it to also as to why the mainstream medical community doesn't openly discuss it even if they know. I think the possibility of link to vaccination in an immune dysfunction is probably one reasons that keep even well meaning doctors to keep away from this (at the expense of the children who should be getting the right care). The establishment is very harsh on physicians who try to link these things so I think folks just don't want to go there. I think the angle I have heard recently is that a genetic predisposition to immune dysfunction exacerbated by toxic environment as evidenced in the Senate testimony last week. Did you read about this hearing last week?http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing & Hearing_ID=1ab3cf42-802a-23ad-4a3a-686da83bf6d0(video also available at http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294878-1From: To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 10:34:33 AMSubject: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system?

I honestly don't get it. So many autistic children with suffering from so many infections, HHV6 (Stan can tell you all about it) and so many with medical symptoms that can only be explained by having a dysfunctional immune system. How can these children be so neglected by the medical systems if their symptoms are so clear????

The HHV6 virus can kill the natural killer cells which are a very important component of our innate immune systems. Natural killer cells play a major role in the rejection of tumors and cells infected by viruses. No wonder why children with autism suffer from so many infections! Doesn't it make sense to treat what is damaging the immune system (Stan can tell you all about this too) and as a result the other symptoms caused by the immune system dysfunction will go away? It makes too much sense, but why our medical system doesn't recognize it?

I don't know and it puzzles me...

Regards,

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Anyone with an active HHV-6 infection may be suffering some form of AIDS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism, Morgellons, or some other serious disease of immune dysfunction. All people with active HHV-6 infections may be at an increased risk of developing a variety of cancers. In addition to destroying cells that protect us from cancer, HHV-6 is itself oncogenic. It may be the most dangerous cancer virus on the planet.

http://hhv6.jottit.com/4._hhv-6_and_natural_killer_cells

"Nothing suggests that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are part of the same HHV-6 Spectrum Pandemic more than the research on what HHV-6 does to Natural Killer Cells."

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> > > Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from immune system causing lifelong infections? I am just trying to figure out if this is why some autistic children don't show deregulated immune markers or elevated hhv6 viral titers until after they start antiviral treatments. I have had doctors tell me that in the past.

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> > > Herpes Virus Trashes Detection Mechanism to Hide from Immune System

> > > http://scienceblog.com/739/herpes-virus-trashes-detection-mechanism-to-hide-from-immune-system/

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> > > St. Louis, Jan. 14, 2003 ? Herpes viruses are notorious for their ability to hide from the immune system and establish lifelong infections. Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have discovered how one mouse herpes virus escapes detection. The study appears in the January issue of the journal Immunity.

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> > > Researchers Discover how Herpes Tricks the Immune System

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> > > St. Louis, August 20, 2002 — Herpes viruses enter the body and hide away in cells, often re-emerging later to cause illnesses such as shingles, genital herpes and cancer. How these viruses evade the immune system remains poorly understood, but researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis discovered that a mouse herpes virus uses molecules that mimic a cell's own proteins to help thwart an immune attack.

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Is it suggested that even if a child doesn't show high on HHV6 testing they could still be immune compromised? My son isn't always sick or suffering from infections, he seems to have a "typical" amount of colds etc. However, he has warts on his feet and for the past 2 years has gotten herpes like leisions break out randomly on his body (maybe 2 or 3 at one given time). We tried Valtrex and nothing. I've always wondered if the herpes virus I carry couldn't have been passed to him and it's an underlying condition that even my DAN doesn't seem to concerned about.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:34:33 PMSubject: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system?

I honestly don't get it. So many autistic children with suffering from so many infections, HHV6 (Stan can tell you all about it) and so many with medical symptoms that can only be explained by having a dysfunctional immune system. How can these children be so neglected by the medical systems if their symptoms are so clear????The HHV6 virus can kill the natural killer cells which are a very important component of our innate immune systems. Natural killer cells play a major role in the rejection of tumors and cells infected by viruses. No wonder why children with autism suffer from so many infections! Doesn't it make sense to treat what is damaging the immune system (Stan can tell you all about this too) and as a result the other symptoms caused by the immune system dysfunction will go away? It makes too much sense, but why our medical system doesn't recognize it? I don't know and it puzzles me...Regards,

's Story - Stop Calling It Autism!http://www.stopcallingitautism.nethttp://hhv6.jottit.com/Anyone with an active HHV-6 infection may be suffering some form of AIDS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism, Morgellons, or some other serious disease of immune dysfunction. All people with active HHV-6 infections may be at an increased risk of developing a variety of cancers. In addition to destroying cells that protect us from cancer, HHV-6 is itself oncogenic. It may be the most dangerous cancer virus on the planet.http://hhv6.jottit.com/4._hhv-6_and_natural_killer_cells"Nothing suggests that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are part of the same HHV-6 Spectrum Pandemic more than the research on what HHV-6 does to Natural Killer Cells."> > > > > Dear friends,> > > Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from immune system causing lifelong infections? I am just trying to figure out if this is why some autistic children don't show deregulated immune markers or elevated hhv6 viral titers until after they start antiviral treatments. I have had doctors tell me that in the past.> > > >

> > Regards,> > > > > > 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism> > > http://www.stopcallingitautism.net> > > > > > Herpes Virus Trashes Detection Mechanism to Hide from Immune System> > > http://scienceblog.com/739/herpes-virus-trashes-detection-mechanism-to-hide-from-immune-system/> > > > > > St. Louis, Jan. 14, 2003 ? Herpes viruses are notorious for their ability to hide from the immune system and establish lifelong infections. Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have discovered how one mouse herpes virus escapes detection. The study appears in the January issue of the journal Immunity. > > > > > > Researchers Discover how Herpes Tricks the Immune System> > >

http://www.siteman.wustl.edu/internal.aspx?id=567> > > St. Louis, August 20, 2002 — Herpes viruses enter the body and hide away in cells, often re-emerging later to cause illnesses such as shingles, genital herpes and cancer. How these viruses evade the immune system remains poorly understood, but researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis discovered that a mouse herpes virus uses molecules that mimic a cell's own proteins to help thwart an immune attack.> > > > > >> >>

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Yes, many find that although they come up negative in titers, once they start an antiviral, within a few months, the titers show up. That's why it's best to give at least a 6 month trial, although I know of at least one person that had the titers show up after 9 months.If the Valtrex did nothing, then there are still 2 more antivirals to try. And you need to be monitoring titers throughout. Just because you aren't seeing something on the outside, doesn't mean it's not doing something on the inside.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

Is it suggested that even if a child doesn't show high on HHV6 testing they could still be immune compromised? My son isn't always sick or suffering from infections, he seems to have a "typical" amount of colds etc. However, he has warts on his feet and for the past 2 years has gotten herpes like leisions break out randomly on his body (maybe 2 or 3 at one given time). We tried Valtrex and nothing. I've always wondered if the herpes virus I carry couldn't have been passed to him and it's an underlying condition that even my DAN doesn't seem to concerned about.

From: <jrodrig6605hotmail>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:34:33 PMSubject: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system? I honestly don't get it. So many autistic children with suffering from so many infections, HHV6 (Stan can tell you all about it) and so many with medical symptoms that can only be explained by having a dysfunctional immune system. How can these children be so neglected by the medical systems if their symptoms are so clear????The HHV6 virus can kill the natural killer cells which are a very important component of our innate immune systems. Natural killer cells play a major role in the rejection of tumors and cells infected by viruses. No wonder why children with autism suffer from so many infections! Doesn't it make sense to treat what is damaging the immune system (Stan can tell you all about this too) and as a result the other symptoms caused by the immune system dysfunction will go away? It makes too much sense, but why our medical system doesn't recognize it? I don't know and it puzzles me...Regards,

's Story - Stop Calling It Autism!http://www.stopcallingitautism.nethttp://hhv6.jottit.com/Anyone with an active HHV-6 infection may be suffering some form of AIDS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism, Morgellons, or some other serious disease of immune dysfunction. All people with active HHV-6 infections may be at an increased risk of developing a variety of cancers. In addition to destroying cells that protect us from cancer, HHV-6 is itself oncogenic. It may be the most dangerous cancer virus on the planet.http://hhv6.jottit.com/4._hhv-6_and_natural_killer_cells"Nothing suggests that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are part of the same HHV-6 Spectrum Pandemic more than the research on what HHV-6 does to Natural Killer Cells."> > > > > Dear friends,> > > Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from immune system causing lifelong infections? I am just trying to figure out if this is why some autistic children don't show deregulated immune markers or elevated hhv6 viral titers until after they start antiviral treatments. I have had doctors tell me that in the past.> > > >

> > Regards,> > > > > > 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism> > > http://www.stopcallingitautism.net> > > > > > Herpes Virus Trashes Detection Mechanism to Hide from Immune System> > > http://scienceblog.com/739/herpes-virus-trashes-detection-mechanism-to-hide-from-immune-system/> > > > > > St. Louis, Jan. 14, 2003 ? Herpes viruses are notorious for their ability to hide from the immune system and establish lifelong infections. Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have discovered how one mouse herpes virus escapes detection. The study appears in the January issue of the journal Immunity. > > > > > > Researchers Discover how Herpes Tricks the Immune System> > >

http://www.siteman.wustl.edu/internal.aspx?id=567> > > St. Louis, August 20, 2002 — Herpes viruses enter the body and hide away in cells, often re-emerging later to cause illnesses such as shingles, genital herpes and cancer. How these viruses evade the immune system remains poorly understood, but researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis discovered that a mouse herpes virus uses molecules that mimic a cell's own proteins to help thwart an immune attack.> > > > > >> >>

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There are several antivirals to try.....if you rememeber which vaccine your child did not do well start with an antiviral that willl target that virus OR start with IMunovir which targets many viruses and modulates the immune system. Antivirals to try

Imunovir

Olive leaf extract

Valtrex ( valacylolovir)

acylolovir

famvir

Virastop

Amantadine

Low dose naltrexone

Give each one a few months trial and you can use more than one at once. Look for new behaviors, improvements, rashes and any changes.

susan

Is it suggested that even if a child doesn't show high on HHV6 testing they could still be immune compromised? My son isn't always sick or suffering from infections, he seems to have a "typical" amount of colds etc. However, he has warts on his feet and for the past 2 years has gotten herpes like leisions break out randomly on his body (maybe 2 or 3 at one given time). We tried Valtrex and nothing. I've always wondered if the herpes virus I carry couldn't have been passed to him and it's an underlying condition that even my DAN doesn't seem to concerned about.

From: <jrodrig6605hotmail>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:34:33 PMSubject: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system?

I honestly don't get it. So many autistic children with suffering from so many infections, HHV6 (Stan can tell you all about it) and so many with medical symptoms that can only be explained by having a dysfunctional immune system. How can these children be so neglected by the medical systems if their symptoms are so clear????The HHV6 virus can kill the natural killer cells which are a very important component of our innate immune systems. Natural killer cells play a major role in the rejection of tumors and cells infected by viruses. No wonder why children with autism suffer from so many infections! Doesn't it make sense to treat what is damaging the immune system (Stan can tell you all about this too) and as a result the other symptoms caused by the immune system dysfunction will go away? It makes too much sense, but why our medical system doesn't recognize it? I don't know and it puzzles me...Regards,

's Story - Stop Calling It Autism!http://www.stopcall ingitautism. nethttp://hhv6. jottit.com/Anyone with an active HHV-6 infection may be suffering some form of AIDS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism, Morgellons, or some other serious disease of immune dysfunction. All people with active HHV-6 infections may be at an increased risk of developing a variety of cancers. In addition to destroying cells that protect us from cancer, HHV-6 is itself oncogenic. It may be the most dangerous cancer virus on the planet.http://hhv6. jottit.com/ 4._hhv-6_ and_natural_ killer_cells"Nothing suggests that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are part of the same HHV-6 Spectrum Pandemic more than the research on what HHV-6 does to Natural Killer Cells."> > > > > Dear friends,> > > Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from immune system causing lifelong infections? I am just trying to figure out if this is why some autistic children don't show deregulated

immune markers or elevated hhv6 viral titers until after they start antiviral treatments. I have had doctors tell me that in the past.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism> > > http://www.stopcall ingitautism. net> > > > > > Herpes Virus Trashes Detection Mechanism to Hide from Immune System> > > http://scienceblog. com/739/herpes- virus-trashes- detection- mechanism- to-hide-from- immune-system/> > > > > > St. Louis, Jan. 14, 2003 ? Herpes viruses are notorious for their ability to hide from the immune system and establish lifelong infections. Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have discovered how one mouse herpes virus escapes detection. The study appears in the

January issue of the journal Immunity. > > > > > > Researchers Discover how Herpes Tricks the Immune System> > > http://www.siteman. wustl.edu/ internal. aspx?id=567> > > St. Louis, August 20, 2002 — Herpes viruses enter the body and hide away in cells, often re-emerging later to cause illnesses such as shingles, genital herpes and cancer. How these viruses evade the immune system remains poorly understood, but researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis discovered that a mouse herpes virus uses molecules that mimic a cell's own proteins to help thwart an immune attack.> > > > > >> >>

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What do you do when your child reacts possitively to one antiviral and then regresses when on it? This happened to my child with valtrex...Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: mb12 valtrex Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:18:13 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system? There are several antivirals to try.....if you rememeber which vaccine your child did not do well start with an antiviral that willl target that virus OR start with IMunovir which targets many viruses and modulates the immune system. Antivirals to try ImunovirOlive leaf extractValtrex ( valacylolovir)acylolovirfamvirVirastopAmantadineLow dose naltrexone Give each one a few months trial and you can use more than one at once. Look for new behaviors, improvements, rashes and any changes. susan Is it suggested that even if a child doesn't show high on HHV6 testing they could still be immune compromised? My son isn't always sick or suffering from infections, he seems to have a "typical" amount of colds etc. However, he has warts on his feet and for the past 2 years has gotten herpes like leisions break out randomly on his body (maybe 2 or 3 at one given time). We tried Valtrex and nothing. I've always wondered if the herpes virus I carry couldn't have been passed to him and it's an underlying condition that even my DAN doesn't seem to concerned about.From: <jrodrig6605hotmail>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:34:33 PMSubject: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system? I honestly don't get it. So many autistic children with suffering from so many infections, HHV6 (Stan can tell you all about it) and so many with medical symptoms that can only be explained by having a dysfunctional immune system. How can these children be so neglected by the medical systems if their symptoms are so clear????The HHV6 virus can kill the natural killer cells which are a very important component of our innate immune systems. Natural killer cells play a major role in the rejection of tumors and cells infected by viruses. No wonder why children with autism suffer from so many infections! Doesn't it make sense to treat what is damaging the immune system (Stan can tell you all about this too) and as a result the other symptoms caused by the immune system dysfunction will go away? It makes too much sense, but why our medical system doesn't recognize it? I don't know and it puzzles me...Regards,'s Story - Stop Calling It Autism!http://www.stopcall ingitautism. nethttp://hhv6. jottit.com/Anyone with an active HHV-6 infection may be suffering some form of AIDS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism, Morgellons, or some other serious disease of immune dysfunction. All people with active HHV-6 infections may be at an increased risk of developing a variety of cancers. In addition to destroying cells that protect us from cancer, HHV-6 is itself oncogenic. It may be the most dangerous cancer virus on the planet.http://hhv6. jottit.com/ 4._hhv-6_ and_natural_ killer_cells"Nothing suggests that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are part of the same HHV-6 Spectrum Pandemic more than the research on what HHV-6 does to Natural Killer Cells."> > > > > Dear friends,> > > Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from immune system causing lifelong infections? I am just trying to figure out if this is why some autistic children don't show deregulatedimmune markers or elevated hhv6 viral titers until after they start antiviral treatments. I have had doctors tell me that in the past.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism> > > http://www.stopcall ingitautism. net> > > > > > Herpes Virus Trashes Detection Mechanism to Hide from Immune System> > > http://scienceblog. com/739/herpes- virus-trashes- detection- mechanism- to-hide-from- immune-system/> > > > > > St. Louis, Jan. 14, 2003 ? Herpes viruses are notorious for their ability to hide from the immune system and establish lifelong infections. Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have discovered how one mouse herpes virus escapes detection. The study appears in theJanuary issue of the journal Immunity. > > > > > > Researchers Discover how Herpes Tricks the Immune System> > > http://www.siteman. wustl.edu/ internal. aspx?id=567> > > St. Louis, August 20, 2002 — Herpes viruses enter the body and hide away in cells, often re-emerging later to cause illnesses such as shingles, genital herpes and cancer. How these viruses evade the immune system remains poorly understood, but researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis discovered that a mouse herpes virus uses molecules that mimic a cell's own proteins to help thwart an immune attack.> > > > > >> >>

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Valtrex often causes a healing regression. You should google TACA NOW and STAN KURTZ VALTREX. His paper explains the healing regression. You can switch to another anti viral or try to ride out the regression phase.

My 13 yr old son was on valtrex and after a month broke out ith rashes and cold sores. He then became very aggressive toward us and seemed miserable. We rode it out for about 4 months and aggression was better but still a problem. I decided to try Imunovir which is an anti viral and immune modulator. He is doing very well on that. His behavior is much better and he is improving but we are seeing no rashes. I plan to add valtrex back in after being on the Imunovir for 6 months and see what happens. You can also try acyclovir, amantadine, olive leaf extract, virastop and famvir.

Is it suggested that even if a child doesn't show high on HHV6 testing they could still be immune compromised? My son isn't always sick or suffering from infections, he seems to have a "typical" amount of colds etc. However, he has warts on his feet and for the past 2 years has gotten herpes like leisions break out randomly on his body (maybe 2 or 3 at one given time). We tried Valtrex and nothing. I've always wondered if the herpes virus I carry couldn't have been passed to him and it's an underlying condition that even my DAN doesn't seem to concerned about.

From: <jrodrig6605hotmail>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:34:33 PMSubject: Re: Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from the immune system?

I honestly don't get it. So many autistic children with suffering from so many infections, HHV6 (Stan can tell you all about it) and so many with medical symptoms that can only be explained by having a dysfunctional immune system. How can these children be so neglected by the medical systems if their symptoms are so clear????The HHV6 virus can kill the natural killer cells which are a very important component of our innate immune systems. Natural killer cells play a major role in the rejection of tumors and cells infected by viruses. No wonder why children with autism suffer from so many infections! Doesn't it make sense to treat what is damaging the immune system (Stan can tell you all about this too) and as a result the other symptoms caused by the immune system dysfunction will go away? It makes too much sense, but why our medical system doesn't recognize it? I don't know and it puzzles me...Regards,

's Story - Stop Calling It Autism!http://www.stopcall ingitautism. nethttp://hhv6. jottit.com/Anyone with an active HHV-6 infection may be suffering some form of AIDS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism, Morgellons, or some other serious disease of immune dysfunction. All people with active HHV-6 infections may be at an increased risk of developing a variety of cancers. In addition to destroying cells that protect us from cancer, HHV-6 is itself oncogenic. It may be the most dangerous cancer virus on the planet.http://hhv6. jottit.com/ 4._hhv-6_ and_natural_ killer_cells"Nothing suggests that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are part of the same HHV-6 Spectrum Pandemic more than the research on what HHV-6 does to Natural Killer Cells."> > > > > Dear friends,> > > Is it true that herpes viruses can hide from immune system causing lifelong infections? I am just trying to figure out if this is why some autistic children don't show deregulated immune markers or elevated hhv6 viral titers until after they start antiviral treatments. I have

had doctors tell me that in the past.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism> > > http://www.stopcall ingitautism. net> > > > > > Herpes Virus Trashes Detection Mechanism to Hide from Immune System> > > http://scienceblog. com/739/herpes- virus-trashes- detection- mechanism- to-hide-from- immune-system/> > > > > > St. Louis, Jan. 14, 2003 ? Herpes viruses are notorious for their ability to hide from the immune system and establish lifelong infections. Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have discovered how one mouse herpes virus escapes detection. The study appears in the January issue of the journal Immunity. > > > > > > Researchers Discover how

Herpes Tricks the Immune System> > > http://www.siteman. wustl.edu/ internal. aspx?id=567> > > St. Louis, August 20, 2002 — Herpes viruses enter the body and hide away in cells, often re-emerging later to cause illnesses such as shingles, genital herpes and cancer. How these viruses evade the immune system remains poorly understood, but researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis discovered that a mouse herpes virus uses molecules that mimic a cell's own proteins to help thwart an immune attack.> > > > > >> >>