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Bonnie,

I also got goosebumps reading the CHARGE newsletter. And I

immediately shared it with my daughter and husband. The theme of recent

discussions are I think also the difficultly in coping with the behaviors. I

have found

NO REAL answers or insight to them yet. They are a part of CHARGE and very

hard to deal with.

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i have read alot of the discussion about the behavior issues with

charge and i am curious as too a few things, are there early warning

signs? at what age can they appear? and are there ways to intervene to

prevent the behaviors from escalating. anthony is almost two and is

doing normal behavior things for his age, he is testing us and even

tells himself no,no in sign if he is doing something he knows he

shouldn't be. i do think he has a hyperactive vestibular function, but

it could be soon to tell for sure, but if he does could that have any

bearing on future behavior problems. i just want to be as vigilant as i

can be. thank you.

mom to anthony 23 month old CHargEr

> Bonnie,

> I also got goosebumps reading the CHARGE newsletter.

And I

> immediately shared it with my daughter and husband. The theme of

recent

> discussions are I think also the difficultly in coping with the

behaviors. I have found

> NO REAL answers or insight to them yet. They are a part of CHARGE and

very

> hard to deal with.

>

>

>

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In a message dated 6/30/2005 2:18:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

matasker@... writes:

Yes, there are early warning signs.

Yes, you can intervene, because the earlier you do, the better the results.

Hi there,

I am sorry to say our interventions which have been many help

yes but they are not a cure. The behaviors remain and are quite stifling to

every day life. As the parent of an older CHARGE'r I cannot emphasize enough how

disabling they really are.

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As I am reading the posts I am so happy that people are talking more openly

about the behaviors, because I find people sometimes tend to hide them,

ignore them or pretend they are normal. Yes, there are early warning signs.

Yes, you can intervene, because the earlier you do, the better the results.

You wouldn't have known my son had these behaviors until, one day, he could

talk.

As school has ended I am up against the most challenging behaviors of an 8

year old boy, who is extremely high functioning and relies on structure

(school). He has OCD that going back to when he was very young, I saw

repetitive motions of him hitting his face, watching the same video over and

over again, repetitive hugging, which for a 2-3 year old, can be normal.

However, his OCD behavior began to really peak it head out when he was 4 and

I thought it was just great that he was using his power of language. All

that came out of his mouth was " what comes next " , " I want to go to the

parade in July (it is January), being totally consumed by dates and order.

This went on for 2 years before it got to the point that he got older (age

6) and I couldn't take it anymore, something wasn't right. At the last

conference I talked with Jan Van Dyke who met my son and after sitting in on

the behavior symposiums, recognized his behavior as " checking behavior " ,

part of OCD. Only to find out part of this encompassed his " PMS " stages

where he would swing from happy to irritable in a second, and have fears for

no reason. He was afraid of his own shadow. This OCD behavior consumed his

life. Reading the older CHARGERS posts, I know what I am up against.

I have had support from school, his behavioralist there, and the

neurologist, both who are involved in managing the behaviors to have him

able to function to fullest capacity, which is above grade level. This

includes behavioral modification along with medications. Without the

medications, my son wouldn't be able to function. However, just the

medications alone isn't enough. I am looking for a psychiatrist for

now, for his to begin expressing himself to a professional.

I am lucky my son can tell me he is driving himself nuts. For kids who

can't express that, who show signs of these behaviors, inside they are

crying out for help.

The best thing to do is keep informed through information from the CHARGE

Conferences, talking to other parents and having a good support system

through school.

Thanks for listening to me! As you can see, 1 week off of school has

already put me over the edge. Summer school starts next week so things

should get better.

Debbie Matasker mom to 8 w/CHARGE, 10, andra 4

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i have read alot of the discussion about the behavior issues with

charge and i am curious as too a few things, are there early warning

signs? at what age can they appear? and are there ways to intervene to

prevent the behaviors from escalating. anthony is almost two and is

doing normal behavior things for his age, he is testing us and even

tells himself no,no in sign if he is doing something he knows he

shouldn't be. i do think he has a hyperactive vestibular function, but

it could be soon to tell for sure, but if he does could that have any

bearing on future behavior problems. i just want to be as vigilant as i

can be. thank you.

mom to anthony 23 month old CHargEr

> Bonnie,

> I also got goosebumps reading the CHARGE newsletter.

And I

> immediately shared it with my daughter and husband. The theme of

recent

> discussions are I think also the difficultly in coping with the

behaviors. I have found

> NO REAL answers or insight to them yet. They are a part of CHARGE and

very

> hard to deal with.

>

>

>

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Debbie,

We started the behavior meds very early also. My problem now is

my son is 21 non verbal and weighs 145! Now that he is bigger than Mom I can go

no where alone with him in case he goes off. He is so stuck in routines

sometimes the least little thing will upset him. He is self abusive at times

which

is really socially unacceptable. He does know some sign but not enough to be

expressive about his frustrations all the time. He has injured himself this

past year when he slammed him hand into the van window when we had a sudden

change of plans. He was also swinging at my husband and I. He is for the most

part

a sweet loving guy but he can't always stay in check with behaviors and it is

horrible!

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I am so glad you said that. Although my son is only 8, I see how close he

is to being a " typical kid " , then reality strikes and here comes those

stifling behaviors (as you put it). My family (my parent's, cousins etc.)

don't get the fact that he will not " outgrow " this. This will never go

away. However, if I waited to " see what happens " etc.and not start

treatment at 6 years old, we would have lost those years of learning which

have been critical in him controlling himself. If I had known what this was

earlier I would have started earlier and gotten off my high horse about

medicating my kid for behavior issues sooner. My husband gets so upset

about the meds but what is the alternative? The behaviors are still there

even with the meds, just not as intense.

Debbie

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In a message dated 6/30/2005 2:18:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

matasker@... writes:

Yes, there are early warning signs.

Yes, you can intervene, because the earlier you do, the better the results.

Hi there,

I am sorry to say our interventions which have been many help

yes but they are not a cure. The behaviors remain and are quite stifling to

every day life. As the parent of an older CHARGE'r I cannot emphasize enough

how

disabling they really are.

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I went for a check up today with my naturopath. We are going to do a urine

test to check the balance of Tyler's neurotransmitters and mine as well. In

the past, neurotransmitter levels were checked through cerbral spinal fluid,

which is obtained through a spinal tap. I kept thinking if I feel we get

any useful info, this could be an important assessment piece for our kids.

I would love to have this test done on Jess right now - what are her levels?

Seems like it would help the docs a lot in deciding on which medication to

choose.

Kim

> ,

>

> I am so glad you said that. Although my son is only 8, I see how close he

> is to being a " typical kid " , then reality strikes and here comes those

> stifling behaviors (as you put it). My family (my parent's, cousins etc.)

> don't get the fact that he will not " outgrow " this. This will never go

> away. However, if I waited to " see what happens " etc.and not start

> treatment at 6 years old, we would have lost those years of learning which

> have been critical in him controlling himself. If I had known what this was

> earlier I would have started earlier and gotten off my high horse about

> medicating my kid for behavior issues sooner. My husband gets so upset

> about the meds but what is the alternative? The behaviors are still there

> even with the meds, just not as intense.

>

> Debbie

>

>

> [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Important behavioral thing

>

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2005 2:18:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> matasker@... writes:

> Yes, there are early warning signs.

> Yes, you can intervene, because the earlier you do, the better the results.

> Hi there,

> I am sorry to say our interventions which have been many help

> yes but they are not a cure. The behaviors remain and are quite stifling to

> every day life. As the parent of an older CHARGE'r I cannot emphasize enough

> how

> disabling they really are.

>

>

>

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I have been reading all the behavior post this week and have started

thinking about Makenna's behaviors. She is pretty set in her routines and

lately I have seen her picking at her fingers or MINE! She loves to do this

" dance " rocking thing, which I try to limit. Lately,I have noticed that she

signs the same things in the same order everyday. For example, she always

signs the names of her aunt and cousins (like asking for them) but she does

this everyday, many times during the day. She is also very good at throwing

temper tantrums over the silliest things. She will go into a fit if you

walk out of a room without holding her hand. If she walks out first then it

is okay. I have also noticed that her tantrums don't stop, like most do.

She will continue for more than 30 minutes unless an adult goes to her to

help her up off the floor. Once the tantrum starts there is no explaining a

situation to her. I am getting concerned that we may be in for a very rough

road ahead. What are some interventions we can try at this point. I have

read that there are things to do to help but haven't seen any specifics. I

would like to find some help for her before these things get too out of

control.

mom to Makenna (4)

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Debbie,

We started the behavior meds very early also. My problem now is

my son is 21 non verbal and weighs 145! Now that he is bigger than Mom I can

go

no where alone with him in case he goes off. He is so stuck in routines

sometimes the least little thing will upset him. He is self abusive at times

which

is really socially unacceptable. He does know some sign but not enough to be

expressive about his frustrations all the time. He has injured himself this

past year when he slammed him hand into the van window when we had a sudden

change of plans. He was also swinging at my husband and I. He is for the

most part

a sweet loving guy but he can't always stay in check with behaviors and it

is

horrible!

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Kim-

Tell us what you find out. I wonder about my neurotransmitters! And

Aubrie's too. I think there's something going on even tho it's on a

smaller scale. Interesting stuff.

Michele W

Kim

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